Hilaria Baldwin

[mrodgers]

DW actively dislikes him but we watched his 2 episodes of Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee on Netflix and she thought he was hilarious. She's someone who has a hard time separating the art from the artist so the fact she enjoyed those episodes says a lot about his talent (I think).

Well said (I think if I'm not misunderstanding.) Baldwin was a favorite of ours back when he was often on SNL pre him doing Trump. Like back with Adam Sandler and the Boy Scout scene, or the Schweddy, um, don't want to say it here, ah Christmas baked goods scene.

Really outside of character, I have heard some things hearsay but the only thing I know of as a cyclist myself was his "You don't know who I am?" rant which I think got him arrested for not identifying himself on a bicycle.

I will have to check him out on Seinfeld's show. I haven't watched it in a while.

Added: Oh, couple month old thread got me again.

 

[Pink Partridge]

The new mystery baby's name is Lucia.

Carmen, Rafael, Leonardo, Romeo, Eduardo, and Lucia.

Not a drop of Spanish blood, according to Hillary's father

Again, I don't know what adoption agency or surrogacy provider would ever hand a child over to these people. So many stable people waiting to have a baby. Money will always talk. Sad.

 

[Pink Partridge]

The latest on Hilaria is she feels "culture is allowed to be fluid".

You can even pretend to be Spanish (and forget the name of a cucumber). It's just that simple.

She is following in the footsteps of Rachel Dolezal.

https://ew.com/celebrity/hilaria-baldwin-culture-is-fluid-instagram/

 

[ronandannette]

The latest on Hilaria is she feels "culture is allowed to be fluid".

You can even pretend to be Spanish (and forget the name of a cucumber). It's just that simple.

She is following in the footsteps of Rachel Dolezal.

https://ew.com/celebrity/hilaria-baldwin-culture-is-fluid-instagram/

OMG - there's 90 seconds I'm never getting back. I love this quote:
"we all get to curate our individual expressions of our cultures, languages, who we love, what we believe in, how we dress, present ourselves." "Ebb &flow, in your brilliant fluidity, as your very legitimate you."

Well, yes, I guess we do. It can all be total bull-pucky and we're making ourselves look like fools, but we do get to do it.

 

[Pink Partridge]

Hilary the Yoga Instructor from Boston went as far as pretending English was her second language. And she is not hanging her head in shame. She is defending her lies. She can't let go.

I can't fathom this. I think she needs mental help.

 

[izzy]

I thought for sure when I saw this thread pop again that I was going to see that she is pregnant again. Thank goodness, no. Just more of her general nuttiness.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I thought for sure when I saw this thread pop again that I was going to see that she is pregnant again. Thank goodness, no. Just more of her general nuttiness.

I think she had to officially stop having babies....she's run out of Spanish names for them.

I saw her name pop up in the news again yesterday and thought....."oh please....just stop talking". Basically, her IG post means this......Hilary's parents, who are American ex-pats living in Majorca Spain....visited her and Alec (and their 17 kids) in the Hamptons. Maybe the Hayward-Thomas' brought some actual Spanish friends with them. And over some great Spanish wines and Spanish food, prepared by a Spanish chef that they flew out to the Hamptons.....there was a big discussion about how it's totally ok for Hilary to identify as a Spanish person. The whole conversation veered between English and Spanish, as Hilary sometimes forgot how to express herself in Spanish...or English...or both. Alec sat off to the side, looking out at the ocean and got hammered.....thinking.....how the *** did I end up here in the middle of this Spanish soap opera.

Those of us who don't go between the bubbles in the Hamptons, Upper West Side, and Majorca, Spain.....think she's nuts, because she's nuts. Let it go Hil....even your friends in the Hamptons are laughing at you....at the other dinner parties in the Hamptons.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Alec sat off to the side, looking out at the ocean and got hammered.....thinking.....how the *** did I end up here in the middle of this Spanish soap opera.

Made me think of this:

 

[dvcgirl67]

The whole thing is really so stupid. Yes, maybe "culture is allowed to be fluid". I know a lot of Americans who have a strong affinity towards Ireland. They have traveled there. They love the food, the culture....but they're also of Irish descent. Ethnically, they are a certain percentage....Irish. The same with Italians. My husband's grandfather and great uncle were the first on his paternal side to come to America. We love Italy. We've been there several times. We love Italian food.

We knew that my husband's grandfather never became a naturalized citizen here in the United States. Therefore, we found out that my husband could attain dual citizenship with Italy. He really got interested in researching his family tree and took that on in a big way. His own father always told him that his family was from Palermo. But...that was often a misunderstanding because that's simply the port where many people sailed out of. My husband found the town in Sicily where his family came from....it's a long, rare Italian name and there's a little town in Italy that is littered with his people. The patron saint of the town is Angelo...and there are a million Angelos in his family (not DH's name though). Anyway, he decided to pursue dual citizenship because we thought it would be a nice option to have....to be able to spend longer periods of time in Italy, and in other parts of the EU when we're retired. He's completed a long intense on-line Italian language class....and is now taking lessons from a teacher. He's about 3/4 of the way through the citizenship process.

Having said allllll of that.....he would never in a million years identify culturally as an Italian person. It's just been a really fun and interesting exercise in the history of his family. Learning a new language in your 50s keeps your mind sharp. But...he's not walking around my house speaking English with an Italian accent. But he is in fact....an American of Italian descent. Hilaria Baldwin ISN'T EVEN SPANISH. I am German/Irish/Scandanavian. It would be like if I decided to spend lots of time in Japan, and then started walking around speaking English with a Japanese accent...because I really like sushi. It's just nuts.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

OMG - there's 90 seconds I'm never getting back. I love this quote:
"we all get to curate our individual expressions of our cultures, languages, who we love, what we believe in, how we dress, present ourselves." "Ebb &flow, in your brilliant fluidity, as your very legitimate you."

Well, yes, I guess we do. It can all be total bull-pucky and we're making ourselves look like fools, but we do get to do it.

Thank you for this. I will go out into the world today armed with the phrases “my brilliant fluidity” and “my very legitimate me.” Things are looking up already.

 

[bcla]

We knew that my husband's grandfather never became a naturalized citizen here in the United States. Therefore, we found out that my husband could attain dual citizenship with Italy.

I think it's a little bit more complicated than that, but I'm kind of a geek when it comes to these sorts of things. There are a matter of things that include the times and even if it was a male or female ancestor, but I understand that anyone who can claim an unbroken bloodline descent to Italian citizens since the Italian unification could claim Italian citizenship. They allowed dual nationality as long as it was via birth, and took Italian citizenship away via naturalization. So as long as the initial Italian ancestor (or ancestors) was an Italian citizen at the time of his/her child's birth and the remaining lineage of ancestors never lost their Italian citizenship via naturalization or renunciation, one can claim Italian citizenship. And the assumption of Italian citizenship through descent is automatic, even if it was never claimed.

So in your husband's case it matters that his grandfather was still an an Italian citizen at the time of your husband's parent's birth. They specifically allow naturalization these days without loss of Italian citizenship, but that's something that was effective only since the 90s.

I find it interesting that Italy has this available in English. I'm guessing they get a lot of inquiries from Italian-Americans.

https://www.esteri.it/mae/en/servizi/italiani-all-estero/cittadinanza.html

 

[dvcgirl67]

I think it's a little bit more complicated than that, but I'm kind of a geek when it comes to these sorts of things. There are a matter of things that include the times and even if it was a male or female ancestor, but I understand that anyone who can claim an unbroken bloodline descent to Italian citizens since the Italian unification could claim Italian citizenship. They allowed dual nationality as long as it was via birth, and took Italian citizenship away via naturalization. So as long as the initial Italian ancestor (or ancestors) was an Italian citizen at the time of his/her child's birth and the remaining lineage of ancestors never lost their Italian citizenship via naturalization or renunciation, one can claim Italian citizenship. And the assumption of Italian citizenship through descent is automatic, even if it was never claimed.

So in your husband's case it matters that his grandfather was still an an Italian citizen at the time of your husband's parent's birth. They specifically allow naturalization these days without loss of Italian citizenship, but that's something that was effective only since the 90s.

I find it interesting that Italy has this available in English. I'm guessing they get a lot of inquiries from Italian-Americans.

https://www.esteri.it/mae/en/servizi/italiani-all-estero/cittadinanza.html

correct…I know all of the rules involved. This topic has been going on in my house for several years now . And yes..the key is that his grandfather was not a citizen when his father was born. My husband had to do tons of research and translations and provide loads of documentation to submit to the Italian consulate in New York. A lot of people pay for this entire service, but he did it all himself…which is pretty cool. He’s officially the family historian now…whether he wants to be or not. He’s the youngest cousin…and has answered lots of questions from his New Jersey family. Its just a formality now…he’ll be granted citizenship. They’re just backed up due to covid.

 

[ronandannette]

Thank you for this. I will go out into the world today armed with the phrases “my brilliant fluidity” and “my very legitimate me.” Things are looking up already.

Curate your ebb and flow, my friend and I will do the same!

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Easy.

She picks a new hot button issue to be part of.

She could come out as L, G, B, T, Q, I, or A.

I will admit it is IN to look or be a certain way or look a certain way etc etc especially my state and it isn't a white woman from Boston. Blondes are not in here either. My niece had gorgeous strawberry blonde hair and she dyed it black and that was over 10 years ago. Been going on for awhile and she wants to be IN. That being said, I believe she did live in Spain as a child? so if you live in Spain since you are a child I can see identifying that way somewhat. Maybe. Anyway I cant get into it, everything seems a little crazy to me.

 

[erin1715]

As a society, we’re allowing all of this fluidity (and being bullied into accepting it) for everything in life, so why not culture too?
IMO it’s all nutty but I don’t think she’s any more “out there” than someone being fluid in any other aspect of life.

 

[RivShore]

correct…I know all of the rules involved. This topic has been going on in my house for several years now . And yes..the key is that his grandfather was not a citizen when his father was born. My husband had to do tons of research and translations and provide loads of documentation to submit to the Italian consulate in New York. A lot of people pay for this entire service, but he did it all himself…which is pretty cool. He’s officially the family historian now…whether he wants to be or not. He’s the youngest cousin…and has answered lots of questions from his New Jersey family. Its just a formality now…he’ll be granted citizenship. They’re just backed up due to covid.

Very interesting (from a New Jerseyan of Sicilian heritage)!
Curios how long did the whole process took?
And a clarification on this - citizen of which US or Italy?
"And yes..the key is that his grandfather was not a citizen of ??? when his father was born."
Thanks.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I will admit it is IN to look or be a certain way or look a certain way etc etc especially my state and it isn't a white woman from Boston. Blondes are not in here either. My niece had gorgeous strawberry blonde hair and she dyed it black and that was over 10 years ago. Been going on for awhile and she wants to be IN. That being said, I believe she did live in Spain as a child? so if you live in Spain since you are a child I can see identifying that way somewhat. Maybe. Anyway I cant get into it, everything seems a little crazy to me.

Her parents fell in love with Spain and they would take vacations there. In 2012, her parents moved there. She did not. She visited her parents there. I mean...good for them on all of that. The issue is that she presented herself up until December of 2020 when all of this blew up....as a Spanish person. Her husband refers to her as someone from Spain in many interviews. On and on. I honestly think that he's kind of been duped...and now he's going to go full on crazy in protecting her and acting like he knew her back story all along. That's what he did in December. And I'm sure he'll do the same now.

 

[Malfie Cent]

It's getting really hard to keep up with what I'm supposed to find acceptable. Are we not supposed to support those living "their" truth anymore?

 

[dvcgirl67]

Very interesting (from a New Jerseyan of Sicilian heritage)!
Curios how long did the whole process took?
And a clarification on this - citizen of which US or Italy?
"And yes..the key is that his grandfather was not a citizen of ??? when his father was born."
Thanks.

It's kind of a funny story how we originally found out that his Grandfather and Great Uncle (they were brothers) were the first two people with his last name to emigrate to the U.S. We were in Epcot in the late 90s, and we went into that little shop in the U.K. where you can have a certificate made with your last name....and it gives the genealogical history of the name...and your 'coat of arms'. You could see what the background was...and then decide if you wanted to pay for the certificate...could have it framed...etc. When we put my husband's name in, the first two of his name were in the history to emigrate to the U.S. came up...and it was his grandfather and great uncle who emigrated here together....in 1910. Angelo, and Vincenzo. Angelo is his grandfather.....he was 37 when Vincenzo was 32. They met two sisters here in NJ....19 and 23. Angelo married the 19 year old, Maria.....Vincenzo married her sister Lucia...24. The sisters emigrated from Basilicata Italy. Between them...they went on to have 11 children....one of them is my Father-in Law...who is the baby of the group of children (he'll be 90 in September). It really blows me away to think that my husband's grandfather was born in 1873....eight years after our Civil War ended.

My husband started the process three years ago....first thing you must do is get an appointment with the Consulate. It takes two years to get the appointment, and that's before Covid. And so during that time my husband sent away for tons of documents...all needed to be official. So he had to request birth records of his grandparents, census records from here, marriage records, and most importantly, proof that his grandfather was not a naturalized citizen when my husband's father was born. His grandfather registered as an "Alien" each year in NJ...well beyond the birth of his last son....my husband's father. That right of "Jure Sanguinis"....latin sometimes translated as "by the blood"....In order to demonstrate that you have inherited a right to citizenship by descent, you must demonstrate that citizenship was transmitted from your Italian-born ascendant to you. And so by not applying for citizenship here in the U.S., Angelo never forfeited his Italian citizenship....which then passed to his children, and their children. It gets complicated with women and daughters born before 1948...but I believe they've changed the rules to allow Jure Sanguinis to pass on to women as well. So kind of them. .

My husband's appointment was March 27th of 2020. Right when the "you know what" was hitting the fan due to Covid. But....he was contacted by a representative at the Italian Consulate...and they accepted and approved all of his documents which they allowed him to send by Fed Ex. Now, they will check other consulates in the United States and other places, to be sure that Angelo never applied for U.S. citizenship during his life. We know he did not. He lived until age 94. He fathered my father in law....at age 60...lol. In normal times, it takes another two years once your application is accepted. But...we think it will take an extra year, possibly more due to covid. He's one year out now, and he's had no contact from them with any questions regarding his documents....etc. That's all fine...as we have no plans to move to Italy or the EU anytime soon. But....it's been a very interesting project for my husband. I look forward to going to that little town in Sicily....and meeting lots of people with my last name....that of my husband. .

 

[bcla]

Very interesting (from a New Jerseyan of Sicilian heritage)!
Curios how long did the whole process took?
And a clarification on this - citizen of which US or Italy?
"And yes..the key is that his grandfather was not a citizen of ??? when his father was born."
Thanks.

It needs a direct line of ancestry of Italian citizenship at the time of each descendant's birth. So a parent of a descendant has to be an Italian citizen when each descendant is born. At least until maybe 1994, an Italian citizen naturalizing as a citizen of any country was an automatic renunciation of Italian citizenship. However, Italy also recognizes citizenship by descent, even if an ancestor in a direct lineage doesn't know about it or didn't take active steps, such as registering for an Italian citizenship document.

So if grandpa is an Italian citizen (even as a resident of another country) at the time of his daughter's birth, she is automatically an Italian citizen at birth regardless of where she was born or any other nationality conveyed at birth. As long as she doesn't didn't do anything to lose her Italian citizenship (naturalize in any country before 1994 or formally renounce her Italian citizenship) at the time of her son's birth. It doesn't matter if grandpa naturalized as a US (or other country's) citizenship after his daughter is born.