FP+ questions... Really lost

But it's not the same if they have to choose another available later slot. AND their earlier slot hasn't come up yet. From the T&C, an expired "experience" counts toward your limit. So it's more like having gotten a FP, missing the window, and getting another FP for later. Which is not the same as letting them in late.

Many moons ago I explained that strict enforcement of the windows would be necessary for FP+ if you were able to select the windows in advance. Otherwise everyone would just get the earliest possible windows as early as they could get them, and use them any time, and then everyone else would be stuck with later times (much like the TSM situation now with late risers vs. rope droppers)

Another difference is... By holding an "expired" FP in the old system guaranteed a spot in FP line later. That was the most flexible situation. With FP+ you would have the opportunity to switch a current "unexpired" reservation for later one IF one existed. For something like Soarin, Spash, or TSMM there may not be any available to switch to, of course there will be plenty of recommendations like the great movie ride, buzz ranger spin, and pirates of the Caribbean.
 
Thanks for example.

But doesnt the flexibility in rescheduling an FP+ have the same end result as returning late for an FP window pre-enforcement says. I know the mechanics are different but if i have a FP+ for 10am for TSMM for example and go in and change it to 7pm, it would be the same as previous using an FP for 10=11am for a 7pm time. Correct?

No, because you are (maybe) getting "another" FP in a sense. Removing another slot from the pool.

People could still get earlier FP+ and not plan to use them until later as they have in the past but now on a more limited basis because of the rumored 4 FP+ limit

No, because you may not be able to reschedule to a later time.

But the current verbiage doesnt read that you can reschedule "if" there is an open slot available later

It does not say that when you reschedule, you are guaranteed you can reschedule for the same attraction. Only that you can "modify" an "experience".

It is stated earlier that availability is limited by a number of factors. So there is no guarantee that there will be ANY available slots later in the day. Early adopters I'm sure will see some availability while people get used to it and if adoption is slow due to the complexity and uncertainty.
 
doconeill said:
It does not say that when you reschedule, you are guaranteed you can reschedule for the same attraction. Only that you can "modify" an "experience".

It is stated earlier that availability is limited by a number of factors. So there is no guarantee that there will be ANY available slots later in the day. Early adopters I'm sure will see some availability while people get used to it and if adoption is slow due to the complexity and uncertainty.

This is what happen in the video on the 1 st page...
He was going to show you how to change your time, but he couldn't find another open time for that ride...
So he kept his original time..
 

No, because you are (maybe) getting "another" FP in a sense. Removing another slot from the pool.



No, because you may not be able to reschedule to a later time.



It does not say that when you reschedule, you are guaranteed you can reschedule for the same attraction. Only that you can "modify" an "experience".

It is stated earlier that availability is limited by a number of factors. So there is no guarantee that there will be ANY available slots later in the day. Early adopters I'm sure will see some availability while people get used to it and if adoption is slow due to the complexity and uncertainty.

OK, but when it mentions availability for FP+ is it referring to the initial procurement of the FP+ and not modifications within the day after procurement?

The way this reads is that you will be able to change your FP+ time if you want to remain flexible:

FastPass+ reservations may be changed online up to the point when the first is redeemed or expires for the day. Unredeemed FastPass+ experiences can be changed throughout the day, so guests who want to stay flexible while in the parks can simply skip a time they chose and go online via a mobile device to make modifications to the itinerary if needed.

It doesnt read as if you MAY be able to make a change.

Again, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
 
This is what happen in the video on the 1 st page...
He was going to show you how to change your time, but he couldn't find another open time for that ride...
So he kept his original time..

True, but I dont think you can make an final determination based on a test run of the system in the video. This functionality could easily be added at a later date if needed.
 
Since you will be limited in the number of FP you can hold, stand by lines will increase.

And here I was thinking they wanted to maybe slightly decongest places like TSMM?

This FP+ is going to be implemented on the notion that it will allow for resort prices to be raised and yet still filled, eh? Will EMH still be used or be eventually belittled for FP+? :sad2:
 
OK, but when it mentions availability for FP+ is it referring to the initial procurement of the FP+ and not modifications within the day after procurement?

It does not say one way or another. But the "initial procurement" is not "X/day", it's "X/interval", where interval is a predefined unit of time (say, like 5 minutes). If all the FP/FP+ procurement for the "5:00pm" slot are taken, then there are no more to be taken.

If they allow you just to willy-nilly reschedule to a later time no matter what, why bother with a time at all? Of course, this goes back to the old arguments over late FP use as well...except it will be more obvious that choosing a time will be meaningless if you can change it no matter what.

The way this reads is that you will be able to change your FP+ time if you want to remain flexible:

FastPass+ reservations may be changed online up to the point when the first is redeemed or expires for the day. Unredeemed FastPass+ experiences can be changed throughout the day, so guests who want to stay flexible while in the parks can simply skip a time they chose and go online via a mobile device to make modifications to the itinerary if needed.

It doesnt read as if you MAY be able to make a change.

Again, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

Where is the language you quoted? The word "skip" appears no where in the copy on the web site.
 
And here I was thinking they wanted to maybe slightly decongest places like TSMM?

This FP+ is going to be implemented on the notion that it will allow for resort prices to be raised and yet still filled, eh? Will EMH still be used or be eventually belittled for FP+? :sad2:

It's already been 'belittled' by one hour in the evening. :mad:
 
It does not say one way or another. But the "initial procurement" is not "X/day", it's "X/interval", where interval is a predefined unit of time (say, like 5 minutes). If all the FP/FP+ procurement for the "5:00pm" slot are taken, then there are no more to be taken.

If they allow you just to willy-nilly reschedule to a later time no matter what, why bother with a time at all? Of course, this goes back to the old arguments over late FP use as well...except it will be more obvious that choosing a time will be meaningless if you can change it no matter what.



Where is the language you quoted? The word "skip" appears no where in the copy on the web site.

It was quoted from post #7 which was requoted later in the thread.

Still reading the T&C, I read the following:

"When you initially make Fastpass+ selections for a particular park, you will receive a Fastpass+ experience set and if your plans change, you may modify the entire Fastpass+ experience set until the first Fastpass+ is redeemed or the the first unredeemed experience expires. You may modify an unredeemed individual Fastpass+ experience any time prior to the end of the day"

Still not seeing where they are limiting a change in Fastpass+ time based on availability.
 
This FP+ is going to be implemented on the notion that it will allow for resort prices to be raised and yet still filled, eh? Will EMH still be used or be eventually belittled for FP+? :sad2:

I still think the (what is believed to be) credible rumor that Free Dining is going to change quite a bit this year (no FD at values and only QS at mods and deluxes) is tied into their readiness to use something else to entice folks to book onsite.

Any guesses? :rolleyes1
 
It was quoted from post #7 which was requoted later in the thread.

If it came from the T&C, then it's already been rewritten to say you can't just skip your time and book another one.

Still reading the T&C, I read the following:

"When you initially make Fastpass+ selections for a particular park, you will receive a Fastpass+ experience set and if your plans change, you may modify the entire Fastpass+ experience set until the first Fastpass+ is redeemed or the the first unredeemed experience expires. You may modify an unredeemed individual Fastpass+ experience any time prior to the end of the day"

Still not seeing where they are limiting a change in Fastpass+ time based on availability.
Because it is covered in the earlier section:

Availability of a FastPass+ experience, the number of experiences you may select and arrival windows are limited and vary based on factors such as the theme park you are visiting, the attraction or entertainment experience, the time of year and the day of the week, and prior demand. In addition, the number of days for which you can hold FastPass+ selections at any given time is limited.

If availability is limited, period, it doesn't take a huge leap of logic that you might not be able to reschedule the same experience for later in the day, or even for a different experience. They don't actually say you are guaranteed to be able to reschedule for the same attraction, or at all. They say you can "modify" it - which allows for a changing to a different experience, etc.

But I'm sure that Disney will somehow work in an "unlimited" experience - like a ride on Carousel of Progress, that will always be available no matter what. So you can't complain that you couldn't book an experience...
 
I still think the (what is believed to be) credible rumor that Free Dining is going to change quite a bit this year (no FD at values and only QS at mods and deluxes) is tied into their readiness to use something else to entice folks to book onsite.

Any guesses? :rolleyes1

:rolleyes2
 
Does anyone have an idea how FP+ will affect standby lines?

Since you will be limited in the number of FP you can hold, stand by lines will increase.

And, that is leaving out the fact that they are ADDING a FP+ setup to attractions that do not now have any FP at all.

The standby lines for those will have to be affected (at least a small amount) due to FP+ guests boarding
(at a certain rate) and further delaying the standby line guests.
Again, depending on the attraction, it may or may not have much affect.
Remains to be seen on attractions like (for instance) Haunted Mansion, Astro Orbitor, and Pirates.
 
It all ultimately comes out of the same pool of FPs, so the more FP+s booked, the less regular FPs or standby riders. And no, according to the Disney site, if you switch to FP+ you can't use regular FPs.

The possibility still remains that the current FP system would all be upgraded to use the RFID chips and thus would be come FP+, yet still function as the current system does.

Does anyone have an idea how FP+ will affect standby lines?

I think it will make them worse... My family normally gets 5-8 depending on time of year and crowds
So all those people like me will only get 4... Leaving lots of extra time to stand in those lines!

Since you will be limited in the number of FP you can hold, stand by lines will increase.

Most estimates I see is that there are approx 8 FP riders for each stand by rider on the FP attractions. Unless they add FPs to the FP/FP+ system the standby waits should remain relativelly unaffected. In theory the waits at the "premier" attractions could actually drop.

Consider the following. The way it is now, some get multiple FPs for one particular attraction, say RnR. While others just care to ride it once. Under the FP+ system each person would only be able to get one FP for RnR (both those who want to ride it multiple times and those that want to only ride it once). So now those that only want to ride it once are in the FP line rather than the stand-by line. Unfortunatlly those who want to ride it more than once are forced to go through the stand-by line for their return visits, which all things being equal would keep the stand-by line unaffected from what it currently would be. However, there is human nature to consider. While some people are willling to do FP multiple times for a particular ride, not all of them would be willing to wait in the stand-by line wait the same number of times, thus the number of people in the stand-by line will drop, and thus the waits will drop.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking forward to a time when the current FP system goes away (I keep going back and forth as to whether or not I think it will). Our family typically gets to the parks at RD and takes full advantage of the FP system by getting 5-7 FPs each day, mostly (or entirely) for the high profile attractions.




Here is how I see this all working.

1) Onsite guests will be able to make their FP+ advanced reservations ~60 days in advance. (The 180 days that is rumored is just way to far in advance, it is possible to make a few dining reservation that far in advance, but deciding exactly which parks you are going to be in every single day of your 7-14 day stay is something completley different. Plus you can change your dining reservations. You may not get the restuarant you want, or have to eat counter service, but you can still change. The attractions are the reason most people go to WDW. Having to miss out on an attraction becasue you planned park changes, won't go over very well).

2) Offiste guests holding a MYW ticket will be able to start making FP+ advanced reservations 30 days in advance.

3) For each park you will get 1 or 2 selections for the "E" ticket rides, and another 2 for the "D" - "A" ticket rides.

4) The current FP system will be modified to use the RFID scanners and "reservations" and be convered to "FP+ (in park)"

5) No one will be able to make a FP+ reservation (in advance combined with in park) for the same attraction more than once in a day. Meaning that you could make advanced FP+ reservation for say TSMM and RnR, then once you get to the park, you can get a FP+ (using the same FP system we are acustom to , but with the RFID technology) for ToT, but not another one for RnR or TSMM.
 
Which attractions do you think will FP+ max out before arrival date?
TSMM, story time with belle, Jedi academy? Others? I am guessing the affection station at planet watch won't be at risk!
 


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