Everything Genie, Genie+ and Individual Lightning Lane - Please Read Posts 1-7

[Goofy4]

I'm sure it's been mentioned 100 times here, but we had another LL "learning experience" today with Rise.

Rise was glitchy, so they made our ILL good for the day whenever it came back up. This is not crystal clear in that the return time disappears on the app, indicating that it is good for the day (I believe). We had to leave so we talked to the blue GET people to get our money back. Pretty simple, This was to be our second time on Rise so not a heartbreaker, but this was the 3rd major attraction to be misbehaving on our trip.

 

[scrappinginontario]

I'm sure it's been mentioned 100 times here, but we had another LL "learning experience" today with Rise.

Rise was glitchy, so they made our ILL good for the day whenever it came back up. This is not crystal clear in that the return time disappears on the app, indicating that it is good for the day (I believe). We had to leave so we talked to the blue GET people to get our money back. Pretty simple, This was to be our second time on Rise so not a heartbreaker, but this was the 3rd major attraction to be misbehaving on our trip.

A purchased ILL$ can be used any time from the start time opens until park close. This is the same for a GotG VQ.

The only return time being monitored is the regular LL return time. Those are only good for 5 mins before return time until 15 mins. after.

E.g. LL Return window from 2:00 - 3:00 may be used from 1:55 - 3:15.

 

[scrappinginontario]

Do I have to cook individual lightening lane first thing or I won’t get it? I’m staying at Wyndham lake buena vista which has some perks with Disney but wondering if I can book individual rides at 7am like the other resorts? If not, when can I?
If I can, would you suggest booking that or our genie+ ride first? I know both are time dependent but not sure which one will be more important.
Our individual ride will only be the guardians ride.
Is ratatouille now part of the regular genie +?
Also, if I have a child who won’t go in any of the genie + rides, can I just book it for the day for 3 out of 4 of us?
I’m already getting angry about needing to be on my phone my whole vacation so I need to gather all the info I need so I can look up and enjoy my vacation away from my phone.
Thanks!

The posts on page 1 of this thread will answer these questions. Lots of information about Genie in this thread.

Purchased ILL$ rides are not available for guests not staying at a Disney resort until park opening.

Yes, Ratatouille is part of G+

You do not have to book an attraction for a child who will not be riding. I would recommend you also visit the family forum and look for threads discussing rider swap.

Reading page 1 will hopefully help you feel more comfortable. Yes, there's a lot to learn but many details have been summarized in those posts.

 

[Goofy4]

A purchased ILL$ can be used any time from the start time opens until park close. This is the same for a GotG VQ.

The only return time being monitored is the regular LL return time. Those are only good for 5 mins before return time until 15 mins. after.

E.g. LL Return window from 2:00 - 3:00 may be used from 1:55 - 3:15.

Really? then why do you need to pick a time when purchasing? You're saying it doesn't matter? And the virtual queue time doesn't matter?

 

[Goofy4]

I’m already getting angry about needing to be on my phone my whole vacation so I need to gather all the info I need so I can look up and enjoy my vacation away from my phone.
Thanks!

The ability to modify a Genie+ LL is a bit of saving grace here. It used to be that you could work hard at it for nothing because stuff happens. Your hard work is likely to have a payback now, especially as it becomes more familiar to you.

 

[scrappinginontario]

Really? then why do you need to pick a time when purchasing? You're saying it doesn't matter? And the virtual queue time doesn't matter?

The start time matters. You cannot return until your start time arrives for your ILL$ or your BG is called. If that time is 9AM you can ride from 9AM until close. But, if your start time is 7PM or your BG is not called until 7PM, you cannot ride earlier than that.

Also, this can change at any time. It’s just how Disney is choosing to do things today.

 

[jecon]

I just tried to purchase genie plus for today and it said it is no longer available?? Has it ever sold out before or is something wrong? I’ve always woken up at 6:45 and have been able to buy it. Crazy

 

[scrappinginontario]

I just tried to purchase genie plus for today and it said it is no longer available?? Has it ever sold out before or is something wrong? I’ve always woken up at 6:45 and have been able to buy it. Crazy

I would continue to try, possibly on another browser as it has never sold out at WDW.

 

[Selket]

A purchased ILL$ can be used any time from the start time opens until park close. This is the same for a GotG VQ.

The only return time being monitored is the regular LL return time. Those are only good for 5 mins before return time until 15 mins. after.

E.g. LL Return window from 2:00 - 3:00 may be used from 1:55 - 3:15.

Page 1 says: "- Once confirmed, the selection cannot be modified to a different time. In order to make any change, you must cancel the booking and do a new booking for the next available time or a different attraction."

I thought there was something new since my last trip that the Genie+ selection could be modified in some way.

Let's say I wake up late and going to Epcot and I want to ride Remi but the Genie+ is gone. I get a Frozen return time for 5pm. Maybe 30 minutes later I'm refreshing the app and see a Remy return time. Can I grab it and will it let me replace my Frozen one with that one and restart my 2 hour clock?

If I can modify - how does that work? **edited to add I found the video you posted awhile back on modifying the same ride for a new time but can you modify to a different ride like the scenario above?

 

[scrappinginontario]

Page 1 says: "- Once confirmed, the selection cannot be modified to a different time. In order to make any change, you must cancel the booking and do a new booking for the next available time or a different attraction."

I thought there was something new since my last trip that the Genie+ selection could be modified in some way.

Let's say I wake up late and going to Epcot and I want to ride Remi but the Genie+ is gone. I get a Frozen return time for 5pm. Maybe 30 minutes later I'm refreshing the app and see a Remy return time. Can I grab it and will it let me replace my Frozen one with that one and restart my 2 hour clock?

If I can modify - how does that work?

Thank you so much for pointing that up. I have just updated page 1 based on your feedback. I appreciate your help!

And yes, you can change the attraction you are modifying. I'm not exactly of the mechanics other that clicking the 3 dots on your current LL Reservation but I am on the hunt for info on youtube. I'm sure it's there somewhere.

 

[Selket]

Thank you so much for pointing that up. I have just updated page 1 based on your feedback. I appreciate your help!

And yes, you can change the attraction you are modifying. I'm not exactly of the mechanics other that clicking the 3 dots on your current LL Reservation but I am on the hunt for info on youtube. I'm sure it's there somewhere.

Thanks!!! I've been sitting here googling and found some site that talks about modifying and on one of the screenshots it shows he had the option to modify the time of the attraction he picked or "change to new attraction" and I think it showed available times. Of course something like Remy would likely not have available times unless one popped up. I'd guess I'd need to refresh?

I don't go to WDW enough anymore to be able to keep up with the changes and by the time I figure out how to use something I'm like 3 days into my 6 day trip lol. I really miss Fast Pass - at least I understood it.

 

[mom2rtk]

Page 1 says: "- Once confirmed, the selection cannot be modified to a different time. In order to make any change, you must cancel the booking and do a new booking for the next available time or a different attraction."

I thought there was something new since my last trip that the Genie+ selection could be modified in some way.

Let's say I wake up late and going to Epcot and I want to ride Remi but the Genie+ is gone. I get a Frozen return time for 5pm. Maybe 30 minutes later I'm refreshing the app and see a Remy return time. Can I grab it and will it let me replace my Frozen one with that one and restart my 2 hour clock?

If I can modify - how does that work? **edited to add I found the video you posted awhile back on modifying the same ride for a new time but can you modify to a different ride like the scenario above?

We are just back and never did figure out modify. I assumed it's because I didn't have the latest version of the app, which I couldn't update to without updating my IOS, which I didn't have time for right then.

 

[Goofy4]

The start time matters. You cannot return until your start time arrives for your ILL$ or your BG is called. If that time is 9AM you can ride from 9AM until close. But, if your start time is 7PM or your BG is not called until 7PM, you cannot ride earlier than that.

Also, this can change at any time. It’s just how Disney is choosing to do things today.

Thank you. I misread that post as "when VQ and ILL$" return times first open up for the day.

 

[f1rstxlas7]

Does anyone have an updated list of the rides throughout all of the parks that still utilize 2 tap points for the Lightning Lane instead of just one?

 

[leeniewdw]

Does anyone have an updated list of the rides throughout all of the parks that still utilize 2 tap points for the Lightning Lane instead of just one?

For sure FoP does but I'm hard pressed to recall another one from our trip a week ago. We did not ride SDD or TT, so can't speak to those.

 

[f1rstxlas7]

For sure FoP does but I'm hard pressed to recall another one from our trip a week ago. We did not ride SDD or TT, so can't speak to those.

Thanks. The reason I ask is because I'm curious as to how the MagicBand and Magic Mobile passes would react if you were to tap into the first touch point with 1 MagicBand and then use a different one(or your Magic Mobile pass) at the 2nd touch point. It's all linked to the same MDE account, I know, but I'm curious if the different RFIDs would result in an error or some sort of unintended glitch. It'd likely be fine, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention using 2 different RFIDs for the same ride before.

 

[CarolynFH]

Thanks. The reason I ask is because I'm curious as to how the MagicBand and Magic Mobile passes would react if you were to tap into the first touch point with 1 MagicBand and then use a different one(or your Magic Mobile pass) at the 2nd touch point. It's all linked to the same MDE account, I know, but I'm curious if the different RFIDs would result in an error or some sort of unintended glitch. It'd likely be fine, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention using 2 different RFIDs for the same ride before.

If all are linked to the same MDE account (meaning the same person's profile in MDE), there shouldn't be any issue. The MB and MM are simply keys that open the virtual vault holding the ticket/G+LL/VQ/IL$/ADR/resort room number information. Just like you can have multiple keys that all open the front door lock on your house, you can have multiple RFID "keys" that open that vault.

 

[f1rstxlas7]

If all are linked to the same MDE account (meaning the same person's profile in MDE), there shouldn't be any issue. The MB and MM are simply keys that open the virtual vault holding the ticket/G+LL/VQ/IL$/ADR/resort room number information. Just like you can have multiple keys that all open the front door lock on your house, you can have multiple RFID "keys" that open that vault.

Yes, I understand that. I'm curious though if Disney programmed the scan-in to require the same RFID twice though. For example, if you have a G+ reservation and tap the 1st point to enter the Lightning Lane, it won't allow you to schedule your next G+ until you tap into the 2nd one. But what happens if it's expecting the same RFID at that 2nd touch point but it gets a different one that's also associated with the same MDE account?

And now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder what would happen if you were to scan into the 1st touch point with one RFID and then quickly use the same scanner but with your other MagicBand. Are scanners uniquely identified or are they only identified by the rides they are stationed at?

 

[CarolynFH]

Yes, I understand that. I'm curious though if Disney programmed the scan-in to require the same RFID twice though. For example, if you have a G+ reservation and tap the 1st point to enter the Lightning Lane, it won't allow you to schedule your next G+ until you tap into the 2nd one. But what happens if it's expecting the same RFID at that 2nd touch point but it gets a different one that's also associated with the same MDE account?

And now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder what would happen if you were to scan into the 1st touch point with one RFID and then quickly use the same scanner but with your other MagicBand. Are scanners uniquely identified or are they only identified by the rides they are stationed at?

Hopefully someone with more tech knowledge of RFID will come in and clarify. But my understanding of Disney's MDE system is that it doesn't matter which device you use - MB, phone, watch, card, whatever - to tap the Mickey on the tapstile. They all send a signal to the same MDE vault, saying "Here is Guest #XXXXX" to pull out whatever information is being requested, whether it's park ticket, LL reservation, or room key information. So it's not the RFID device inside the MB, phone, watch or card, it's the code number that the RFID device transmits that's important. To use the house key analogy again, my house key has a little blue flashlight thingy on it. DH's key has the logo for his university on it. They both open the door and let us into the house.

 

[f1rstxlas7]

Hopefully someone with more tech knowledge of RFID will come in and clarify. But my understanding of Disney's MDE system is that it doesn't matter which device you use - MB, phone, watch, card, whatever - to tap the Mickey on the tapstile. They all send a signal to the same MDE vault, saying "Here is Guest #XXXXX" to pull out whatever information is being requested, whether it's park ticket, LL reservation, or room key information. So it's not the RFID device inside the MB, phone, watch or card, it's the code number that the RFID device transmits that's important. To use the house key analogy again, my house key has a little blue flashlight thingy on it. DH's key has the logo for his university on it. They both open the door and let us into the house.

Yes, but your house doesn't have 2 required checkpoints for entry, only one. I'm not trying to be intentionally obtuse, I'm just theorizing that because you're required to tap in twice for some rides, there is clearly some indicator within their code that records you've tapped into the first one but not the 2nd one yet, otherwise you'd be able to make your next G+ reservation immediately after the 1st scan. So if your first RFID is logged as scanning into the first point, is the 2nd point expecting the same RFID or is their programming robust enough to accept any RFID registered to you?