Electrical Water Pageant

[marc1477]

We go and watch the EWP all the time from Poly. In my opinion, thats the best place to see it from. We came from CBR to watch it. I love it and I find it worth going to see whenever I am there.

 

[Dawgdad]

You get what you pay for, want better, it costs you. I paid the price

Ok dear pepe of ohio... what do you think of these brand new rules :

Rule #2 : Deluxe guests pay more... that's why the best attractions of the theme parks are for their exclusive use. Values guests are just allowed to look at them having fun. You get what you pay for.

QUOTE]

I hate to add to this thread but I feel the need to insert a bit of knowledge at this point. Within 2 years, the Fastpass system will be retooled to reflect the resort level that you are staying in. This is not a rumor, but a planned change. The details are not finalized, but in a nutshell Fastpasses will only be for resort guests and the number of FP's available in any day will depend on what level of resort you are staying at. I do know that deluxe guests will have unlimited FP's. I know this is a bit off-thread, but in our sarcasm we have uncovered an ugly truth - money talks. I may not agree, but I understand the concept. Again, this is not a rumor, but a planned change. Sorry to go off-thread.

 

[MiaSRN62]

I do know that deluxe guests will have unlimited FP's. I know this is a bit off-thread, but in our sarcasm we have uncovered an ugly truth - money talks. I may not agree, but I understand the concept.

I've heard rumors of this before...but do you have any concrete source for this ? I'm just curious ? I feel this could alienate alot of loyal wdw guests........

 

[MaBelle]

http://local.live.com/?v=2&sp=aN.28.405646_-81.584933_Polynesian_

Looks like the view would be best from the grassy area between the two beaches. Seems like more trouble to go than it would be worth, though.
I think the real perk would be to watch a show from the comfort of your room! We'll be at the Swan, so hopefully we might see fireworks from our room. Because I'll be too tired after all day at the parks to go anywhere else late at night!

 

[bicker]

"Money talks" is not an "ugly truth" -- it is the basis of capitalism, our nation's economic system.

Deluxe guests currently get no more or less FastPasses than everyone else. They could change, and it would be fine if it does, but it is not the case today.

 

[goofy4tink]

QUOTE]

I hate to add to this thread but I feel the need to insert a bit of knowledge at this point. Within 2 years, the Fastpass system will be retooled to reflect the resort level that you are staying in. This is not a rumor, but a planned change. The details are not finalized, but in a nutshell Fastpasses will only be for resort guests and the number of FP's available in any day will depend on what level of resort you are staying at. I do know that deluxe guests will have unlimited FP's. I know this is a bit off-thread, but in our sarcasm we have uncovered an ugly truth - money talks. I may not agree, but I understand the concept. Again, this is not a rumor, but a planned change. Sorry to go off-thread.[/QUOTE]

Would you mind telling us where you have gotten your info? This has been an ongoing rumor for quite awhile now. Just curious.

 

[cinmell]

"Money talks" is not an "ugly truth" -- it is the basis of capitalism, our nation's economic system.

Deluxe guests currently get no more or less FastPasses than everyone else. They could change, and it would be fine if it does, but it is not the case today.

 

[carolfoy]

Sheesh, a lot of you people need to come down off your high horses.

No, really, it's okay. Those of us down here on the ground won't bite and infect you with our "common-ness."

Part of the experience of WDW is resort hopping, wandering around the resorts, the grounds, and the food/shopping. If you don't like sharing your beaches with others, then pay for a lagoon view so that you can watch the shows from your balcony, high above the commotion on the beach.

I've seen a lot of ridiculous things on the Dis, but this thread goes a lot farther into that category than really it needs to. Some of you sound like a bunch of whiny 2 year olds who don't want to share their toys.

ITA
I have been told by CMs to feel free to go to the poly for the EWp, the campfire at FW, to see the geyser at the same, to take a stroll down the boardwalk. Its obvious that Disney has no problem with this so why should the guests?
BTW I never take up any of the pool chairs etc and wouldn't dream of doing so.

 

[bicker]

Its obvious that Disney has no problem with this so why should the guests?

Disney doesn't have any problem with anything like that until its guests have a problem with it. If this becomes a big-enough concern on the part of Poly guests, then Disney will change the rules to safeguard their ability to command a high premium for hotel rooms at the Poly.

Beyond that: While there are many great cast members out there, they generally only know their job. They're not required to know the rules applicable to aspects of operations beyond their jobs. Ticket takers know the rules for using park passes. Hotel front-desk clerks know the rules for checking in, checking out, and establishing charging accounts. Many cast members have no reason to be involved in the implementation of rules: housekeepers, groundskeepers, bus drivers, etc.

Again, I think the Poly Beach scenario isn't a significant issue, but rather harkens to other issues that are significant. Guests want to feel they're getting a good value, paying the high premiums they're paying for deluxe resorts. They deserve to have Disney respect their desire to feel like they're getting a good value, and not getting ripped off. As such, don't be surprised if Disney changes things to better safeguard the value delivered to on-site guests, and specifically to deluxe resort guests.

 

[disneydave2003]

Again, I think the Poly Beach scenario isn't a significant issue, but rather harkens to other issues that are significant. Guests want to feel they're getting a good value, paying the high premiums they're paying for deluxe resorts. They deserve to have Disney respect their desire to feel like they're getting a good value, and not getting ripped off. As such, don't be surprised if Disney changes things to better safeguard the value delivered to on-site guests, and specifically to deluxe resort guests.

BRAVO! BRAVO!

 

[CheshireVal]

You get what you pay for, want better, it costs you. I paid the price

Ok dear pepe of ohio... what do you think of these brand new rules :

Rule #2 : Deluxe guests pay more... that's why the best attractions of the theme parks are for their exclusive use. Values guests are just allowed to look at them having fun. You get what you pay for.

QUOTE]

I hate to add to this thread but I feel the need to insert a bit of knowledge at this point. Within 2 years, the Fastpass system will be retooled to reflect the resort level that you are staying in. This is not a rumor, but a planned change. The details are not finalized, but in a nutshell Fastpasses will only be for resort guests and the number of FP's available in any day will depend on what level of resort you are staying at. I do know that deluxe guests will have unlimited FP's. I know this is a bit off-thread, but in our sarcasm we have uncovered an ugly truth - money talks. I may not agree, but I understand the concept. Again, this is not a rumor, but a planned change. Sorry to go off-thread.

That's been rumored for quite a while but never substantiated. Until I see an official announcement, I don't buy it. (No pun intended).

Should Disney ever decide to implement something like this, I would seriously think twice before ever vacationing there again. I've been going to Disney at least once a year (sometimes twice) since I was 9 months old (I'm 31 now.) I've stayed at all level of resorts, from deluxe to value (to even offsite!) It would break my heart to have to find somewhere else to vacation, but I don't think I could really enjoy myself while value resort guests (which I have been for the past couple of years now) are made to feel like third class citizens within an onsite "class system."

Editing to add: for the past two years, I've vacationed with my husband, my mom, and my brother. We have gotten two connecting rooms at Pop so that we're not all crammed into one room with only one bathroom. The last two trips, we have stayed 11 nights.

I really don't think it would be fair to have class restrictions when my family, for example, is paying MORE overall than a family who stays in one deluxe room for a shorter amount of time.

 

[MiaSRN62]

As such, don't be surprised if Disney changes things to better safeguard the value delivered to on-site guests, and specifically to deluxe resort guests.

Respectfully Bicker, I wonder how they'd do this though ? Really just curious ? Right now, when we go to the beach at the Poly to see EWP, we have PS and shopping on the agenda at the hotel as well. Sometimes we're staying onsite at a different wdw resort and sometimes we're staying offsite. I'm sure the guard will still let us in to have our dinner or whatever at the hotel...then what ? Sometimes we take the resort monorail over from the MK. Will their be Poly beach police out on the beach checking ID's ? Now that's a real ambience killer. I'm just trying to come up with a way they can safeguard the on-site guests from the "beach crashers" (so to say) ?

but I don't think I could really enjoy myself while value resort guests (which I have been for the past couple of years now) are made to feel like third class citizens within an onsite "class system."

I have to agree......I really do feel it will change the general "feeling" of a wdw vacation. I could see WDW doing what Universal does----offers head of the line perk to onsite guests (eliminate FP's for offsite guests only). Uni doesn't differentiate between those that pay top $ for Portinfino Bay vs their lesser priced resorts ? They give all onsite guests across the board the perk. That's respect to me. I think alot of people would feel "put off" by a policy such as this........I'm sure some of those in the deluxe resorts will see things differently. It would be a step backward as far as I'm concerned. I think about experiences we've had with family. For instance, we tend to stay in the deluxe/or DVC resorts. But we often travel with family who are not DVC Members and stay at the All Stars/POR etc. We like to plan our days together and we enjoy going on the attractions together. It would be a shame that they can't get a FP with us because they're considered second class or whatever. Of course, we can just opt to not get the extra FP, but it's the principal of the thing. It will change the way we vacation & the way we think about wdw. Again...the ugly truth for me despite what some of you may say/think.

 

[bicker]

Should Disney ever decide to implement something like this, I would seriously think twice before ever vacationing there again.

I doubt most folks would feel that way. Generally, guests compare the offerings to how much value they derive from the offerings and what the alternatives are, rather than applying any litmus tests with regard to specific policies. This change would have very little impact on the overall value most guests derive from a Disney vacation, with all the aspects of that vacation considered.

I really don't think it would be fair to have class restrictions when my family, for example, is paying MORE overall than a family who stays in one deluxe room for a shorter amount of time.

Yes, I think it would be fair, since the family who stays for a shorter amount of time is enjoying its benefits for a shorter period of time, while the family who stays for a longer period of time has more opportunities to derive value from their vacation even without those benefits.

Respectfully Bicker, I wonder how they'd do this though ?

Turning guests away at the gates to the resorts, if they don't have hotel or dining reservations, would be a start. If there were enough folks taking the monorail over that that constituted as much of a concern as folks driving over, they could check IDs to get on the monorail, or get off at a hotel station. Same with busses, again, only if the folks who used those methods constituted enough of a concern to warrant it. In terms of via policing, they already apply such a method at Storm-a-Long Bay.

Again, I don't think the Poly Beach scenario will ever rise to the level of important that would warrant this, but other things could, and some of these methods could be employed to protect the value resort guests are entitled to from their resort.

 

[CheshireVal]

Yes, I think it would be fair, since the family who stays for a shorter amount of time is enjoying its benefits for a shorter period of time, while the family who stays for a longer period of time has more opportunities to derive value from their vacation even without those benefits.

By that reasoning, then Fastpasses should be distributed according to how long someone is vacationing then, rather than how much money they are paying to stay there.

 

[MiaSRN62]

Generally, guests compare the offerings to how much value they derive from the offerings and what the alternatives are, rather than applying any litmus tests with regard to specific policies. This change would have very little impact on the overall value most guests derive from a Disney vacation

I do question this a bit. Say, i.e., a Poly/GF/Contemp guest can take out 3-4 FP's and an AS guest can only have 1-2 FP's per day/park. I'm thinking it might be much more difficult to get FP's the rest of the day for popular rides, based on the fact that the deluxe...and then the moderate guests would have taken so many already. Heck, the FP's for some rides (TT, Soarin', Space Mtn, EE) have been known to run out by noon already with this potentially rumored policy not even in effect yet. Right now there is a limit/time restriction on when you can get a FP. I could see FP's for some rides running out very early with some value/mod guests having some added difficulty (if not inability) getting on attractions without having to wait 60-90 min on standby.
I guess alot depends on how smoothly a policy like this would run and how disney would allot the FP's (amount/timing in between etc). They may have to overhaul the whole system to do this ? Dawgdad never posted where they got their info. Just seems like a system like this could become a bit sticky once value guests got wind that they can't ride TT because the deluxe guests claimed all the tickets by 11 am or noon. And that the sole reason their family staying at POP is having alot of trouble getting on the popular attractions during their perhaps limited 3-4 day vacation is based soley on the fact that Disney doesn't feel they're as worthy to receive the extra FP's and has given them all to the family at the deluxe resort . I don't think a family like that will feel any extra value from their vacation or disney
I know it would devalue the way we vacation to a certain extent. Let's hope this doesn't happen.......

 

[CheshireVal]

I doubt most folks would feel that way. Generally, guests compare the offerings to how much value they derive from the offerings and what the alternatives are, rather than applying any litmus tests with regard to specific policies. This change would have very little impact on the overall value most guests derive from a Disney vacation, with all the aspects of that vacation considered.

I didn't say everyone would feel the same way. I said *I* would be upset and stop vacationing at Disney World. I'm sure others would feel the same way, even if only a few. Of course Disney doesn't care about the feelings of just a few people, though. They'll do what's best for the bottom line, as they have always done.

 

[bicker]

By that reasoning, then Fastpasses should be distributed according to how long someone is vacationing then, rather than how much money they are paying to stay there.

FastPasses are normalized by being distributed at the attraction. That way, you get as many FastPasses as you do the work for. By the same token, if they change FastPass so that deluxe resort guests get "more" of them, then it would be fair only because they paid for that priority. Money is a universal equalizer in commerce.

However, no one ever said that the priority deluxe resort guests would get with respect to FastPass would give them "more" FastPasses. More likely they'll just get more convenient access to the FastPasses they would have been able to get themselves otherwise, i.e., they still can only get one per two hours, they just can "reserve" them in advance in the morning. We really don't know what is planned yet, if anything.

I didn't say everyone would feel the same way.

I didn't say you said that.

Of course Disney doesn't care about the feelings of just a few people, though. They'll do what's best for the bottom line, as they have always done.

Ayup!

 

[bicker]

This change would have very little impact on the overall value most guests derive from a Disney vacation

I do question this a bit. Say, i.e., a Poly/GF/Contemp guest can take out 3-4 FP's and an AS guest can only have 1-2 FP's per day/park.

Well, why say THAT? That's among the least likely scenarios. The most likely scenario is as I outlined above, and that would have very little overall impact on guests other than those who gain the added convenience.

And that the sole reason their family staying at POP is having alot of trouble getting on the popular attractions during their perhaps limited 3-4 day vacation is based soley on the fact that Disney doesn't feel they're as worthy to receive ...

I think this is a very bad line of reasoning. It attributes qualitative judgment on the part of Disney when no such judgement is evident. Viewing this as a determination of "worthiness" ignores the fact that deluxe resort guests do actually pay more,and that money has value. So it isn't that Disney doesn't feel the value resort guests, themselves, as people, aren't "worthy," but rather Disney would be determining instead that the money they get from deluxe resort guests is worth more than the money they get from the value resort guests. I know that if someone gives me $350 and someone else gives me $100, I'll value the money the first person gave me more than the money the second person gave me, but it wouldn't really affect how much I value either person as a person. Of course, if they were giving me that money for my services, I'd give priority to the first person. Wouldn't you?

 

[Tikiman]

Ok these things always get ugly because obviously some people have been affected by guests visiting from other resorts using the Polynesian beach including myself.

Lets just state the facts:

1. The Polynesian beach use to have signs that stated that the beach was for use by Polynesian Resort Guests only.
2. The signs no longer exist and the beach can be accessed by non-Polynesian guests.
3. There are Holidays (4th of July and New Years) that the beach is off limits to non-Polynesian Resort guests.
4. There are security measures taken for these holidays to limit the access to Polynesian Guests and to remove non-Polynesian guests from the beach. I will not list the means at which they attempt to limit and patrol because that would let people know what to look for.
5. Yes it is impossible to keep everyone out on those special days but I don’t suggest trying it and it can get busy and affect the resort guests on these specific days. I have even had my chairs taken from my patio by a whole family that was not staying at the resort.

On days that there is no special event going on there is plenty of room on the beach for others to visit but still be respectful to the guests staying there. Seems like something I would not even have to say but you would be surprised what others sometimes do. Well after the pool hopping threads I guess most in here would not be surprised.

 

[disneyfan67]

Sheesh, a lot of you people need to come down off your high horses.

No, really, it's okay. Those of us down here on the ground won't bite and infect you with our "common-ness."

Part of the experience of WDW is resort hopping, wandering around the resorts, the grounds, and the food/shopping. If you don't like sharing your beaches with others, then pay for a lagoon view so that you can watch the shows from your balcony, high above the commotion on the beach.

I've seen a lot of ridiculous things on the Dis, but this thread goes a lot farther into that category than really it needs to. Some of you sound like a bunch of whiny 2 year olds who don't want to share their toys.

First off I want you to know that in no way am I considered rich or even "comfortable" as some would call themselves. You look up working class in the dictionary and you will see my picture. I wish I had a huge income but just because I don't, I won't put others down who do.

My family and I really scrimp and save to afford to go to WDW and stay at a deluxe resort, like the Poly. In my almost 400 posts I have, I never have talked down to someone because they have more or even less than I do. That is what some would call "The Class warfare card". That's wrong and your comment about the common-ness of the people who won't infect the so called rich who stay at the Poly, is wrong as well. People shouldn't try to make someone else feel guilty because they have more or less than you do. It's demeaning and doesn't have a place on a Disney fan based website.


I don't have a problem with an outside guest using the beach, as long as there is room for the guests who paid to stay at the resort in question. I pay a lot to go to WDW and stay at the Poly and I want to be able to take full advantage of everything the resort has to offer. I can't do that if the pool is packed with pool hoppers from other resorts or the beach is packed with non Polynesian guests. Like I said before, I don't care if someone from WL or where ever want to use the Poly beach. Good for them, but how fair is it for guests of the Poly when it gets out of hand? I think that's what I was trying to convey and I'm sure others as well.

I think we, as fellow DIS members can treat each other better than this, can't we?