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We save a long time if we want to stay deluxe!
I respect you may have to sacrifice to stay at a deluxe. Some families save a long time just to be able to stay at a value resort.....they may never be able to afford a deluxe. Other people think nothing of chalking up $400/night for a room or more. Everyone's financial situations are different and it's why disney offers so many different options to suit so many different needs/abilities.

When we stay at a deluxe we are given better perks, we are paying for them! The extra amenties don't come cheap. I would expect better hotel amenities for $400+ a night
Absolutely ! I don't think anyone is debating that deluxe guests shouldn't be offered valet parking/concierge/full service restaurants etc. This is an understanding and entitlement when you stay at a deluxe resort. Value resort guests are aware they will not have these amenities at their finger tips. But when all onsite guests enter the parks, having paid the same amount for park admission, well this is where I feel the lines shouldn't be drawn.
 
kaysmommie said:
When we stay at a deluxe we are given better perks, we are paying for them! The extra amenties don't come cheap. I would expect better hotel amenities for $400+ a night versus $100.
I totally agree with kaysmommie!!


MiaSRN62 said:
I feel deluxe guests are already treated differently (or rewarded so to say). They have MUCH nicer accomodations and onsite amenities (room service/full service restaurants/proximity and transportation options to parks;concierge availability etc). Value guests have limited amenities/room.

This is why we love the deluxes and why we are willing to pay for them! The location to the parks, the monorail and boating transporation, the walkway from CR to MK, room service, shopping, rooms seem more spacious, beautiful grounds and views, full service restaurants, etc. We also enjoy the perks of being able to watch the fireworks and watch the castle change colors from our room. We were able to do that at GF and CR Tower. We also enjoy watching from our beach. We spend a lot of time at our resort during our WDW vacations and these amenities or perks are very important to us.

I admit, I find it a bit annoying when people on these boards encourage non-guests of a particular resort to go feel free to head on over to the beaches at other resorts to watch the fireworks or ewp. We pay to be able to do that and honesltly, I would be annoyed if there were no seats or space available because non resort guests were using our area that WE paid for. I know it may sound petty and snobbish to some but it's not to me.

I always stay away from replying to these types of threads but I just had to jump in on this one.
 
I think you are generalizing when you say that there are more value guests paying more overall then deluxe resort guests. How so? I am at the Poly over 30 nights a year. I am also not alone in going often and also going deluxe. There are many of us that pay alot for those many trips at deluxes. Overall I truly believe Disney makes a lot more money off of deluxe resorts guests.
 
Aisling said:

I agree it's not spectacular, but I think I'm obsessive about seeing everything!

I always wondered why Disney even HAD the ELP. It seemed like they had a few extra dollars in the billion dollar budget and came up with this. I really do enjoy seeing it, but who the heck came up with the idea, and why? Maybe Disney is constantly night and day thinking of ways to entertain and amuse us, so they thought, hey how about some left over light bulbs from Spectro, make a couple of dragons out of them, morph them into American flags for that patriotic touch, and voila, another unique disney
attraction for us. I love it.


The EWP was designed for the opening ceremony of the Polynesian when the Luau use to be out on the beach and dancers from different Pacific Islands came to perform. They have continued the show since day one and it is still there because it is a tradition that many like to see. It has been slightly modified over the years and the music has changed but that is what it came from. I like the idea of them having something that does not change or get trashed because it is old and yes little things like that are part of the reason I like the Polynesian resort.
 

I think you are generalizing when you say that there are more value guests paying more overall then deluxe resort guests. How so?
I never said there were more value guests.......I only stated that I'm sure they (those loyal frequent value guests) exist. I just said I don't feel that actual park preferences should be given to deluxe guests over value and mod guests. I was speaking in terms of when Bicker mentioned that value guests would not miss the overall value of their vacation. I was bringing up examples of where the perception of value (or loss/reduction of it) would indeed be felt and I gave the example of a value guests who visits faithfully every year and stays maybe 4-5 times/year in a value vs a deluxe guest who may be staying at the Poly for their first and last trip ever. I was only meaning that disney shouldn't generalize and reward the deluxe guest with theme park perks based solely on what they pay for their room. I'm sure there are loyal repeat deluxe hotel guests....don't doubt that for a second. But it's the value guests that will be the ones who pay if this rumored FP policy goes into effect. And I don't think disney is being fair to their guests in this respect. Deluxe resort guests get a great resort to stay in with PLENTY of perks/amenities. Just don't feel extending those amenities into the parks is necessarily the thing to do. I feel if you combine value and mod guests, that this is a very large audience base that disney could alienate......and do they want to do this in the long run and risk losing repeat loyal customers at the less expensive resorts ? Value/Mod combined is a large percentage of guests. I feel this goes against disney's long standing excellence in customer service and satisfaction because I feel this will be a noticeable change.
Sorry if you felt I was generalizing DaisyD.....I was just giving an example of how a hypothetical value loyal guest would notice the devalue of their vacation with this rumored FP policy.
 
MiaSRN62 said:
I never said there were more value guests.......I only stated that I'm sure they (those loyal frequent value guests) exist. I just said I don't feel that actual park preferences should be given to deluxe guests over value and mod guests. I was speaking in terms of when Bicker mentioned that value guests would not miss the overall value of their vacation. I was bringing up examples of where the perception of value (or loss/reduction of it) would indeed be felt and I gave the example of a value guests who visits faithfully every year and stays maybe 4-5 times/year in a value vs a deluxe guest who may be staying at the Poly for their first and last trip ever. I was only meaning that disney shouldn't generalize and reward the deluxe guest with theme park perks based solely on what they pay for their room. I'm sure there are loyal repeat deluxe hotel guests....don't doubt that for a second. But it's the value guests that will be the ones who pay if this rumored FP policy goes into effect. And I don't think disney is being fair to their guests in this respect. Deluxe resort guests get a great resort to stay in with PLENTY of perks/amenities. Just don't feel extending those amenities into the parks is necessarily the thing to do. I feel if you combine value and mod guests, that a very large audience base that they could alienate......and do they want to do this in the long run and risk losing repeat loyal customers at the less expensive resorts ? I feel this goes against disney's long standing excellence in customer service and satisfaction because I feel this will be a noticeable change.
Sorry if you felt I was generalizing DaisyD.....I was just giving an example of how a hypothetical value loyal guest would notice the devalue of their vacation with this rumored FP policy.


Another great post.I think I will let you do all my speaking for me in this thread from now on. ;)
 
MiaSRN62 said:
I never said there were more value guests.......I only stated that I'm sure they (those loyal frequent value guests) .

I'm sure there are loyal guests in all the different levels of resorts. It doesn't negate the fact that deluxe folks pay more overall. Personally I see nothing wrong with Disney giving deluxe guests more perks. Paying more should get you more.
 
MiaSRN62 said:
I respect you may have to sacrifice to stay at a deluxe. Some families save a long time just to be able to stay at a value resort.....they may never be able to afford a deluxe. Other people think nothing of chalking up $400/night for a room or more. Everyone's financial situations are different and it's why disney offers so many different options to suit so many different needs/abilities.


Absolutely ! I don't think anyone is debating that deluxe guests shouldn't be offered valet parking/concierge/full service restaurants etc. This is an understanding and entitlement when you stay at a deluxe resort. Value resort guests are aware they will not have these amenities at their finger tips. But when all onsite guests enter the parks, having paid the same amount for park admission, well this is where I feel the lines shouldn't be drawn.
I Agree with you we are all paying for the park passes and should all have FP. Outside guests should not have FP IMO. We usually go to Disney every year and stay Deluxe but this year we had to save alot to be able to stay Poly, usually we do WL because it cost alot less. I guess we are paying more for all the poly has to offer, (larger rooms, monorail ,nice restaurants. If I went twice a year I would stay at WL or a moderate. We also spend alot on the dinner shows, TS meals sometimes twice a day, park passes and lots of stuff for the kids. I'm sure some people staying in moderates and values also spend alot , as Disney is far from cheap. It is a huge price difference to stay at one of the nicer deluxes than to stay at a value. So it should be a huge difference in luxury and amenities. I love that Disney has value resorts because no one should miss out on going to Disney!!!
 
Can someone give me a yes/no answer? Is there any official WDW rule against non-guests viewing the pageant (or wishes, or whatever) from the Poly Beach? Because if there isn't one, why do guests there think they have paid for that privilege if they know it's actually a public opportunity? I keep reading "I pay good money for that" but it sounds like (unless there is a rule, and that's why I am asking) that maybe they need to understand that they *aren't* buying any special viewing opportunity - that that is one benefit available to everyone....
 
Paying more should get you more
Agreed.....AT the resort itself. I just hate to see disney drawing distinctions inside the parks. I don't feel that's warranted. Add more perks at the resort itself if one doesn't feel the deluxe resorts already have extensive hotel amenities. Yes, deluxe guests pay more and they do get more at their hotel (larger more deluxe rooms with better views/concierge/full service restaurants/better transportion options and proximity to the parks/spas etc.....). I think value/mod/deluxe guest already are getting what they paid for, if you know what I'm trying to say.
 
DaisyD said:
I'm sure there are loyal guests in all the different levels of resorts. It doesn't negate the fact that deluxe folks pay more overall. Personally I see nothing wrong with Disney giving deluxe guests more perks. Paying more should get you more.

:thumbsup2 YES, paying more to stay at a deluxe resort should get you more perks (at that resort) no matter how BIG or SMALL they seem. ::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes::
 
Danestress said:
Can someone give me a yes/no answer? Is there any official WDW rule against non-guests viewing the pageant (or wishes, or whatever) from the Poly Beach? Because if there isn't one, why do guests there think they have paid for that privilege if they know it's actually a public opportunity? I keep reading "I pay good money for that" but it sounds like (unless there is a rule, and that's why I am asking) that maybe they need to understand that they *aren't* buying any special viewing opportunity - that that is one benefit available to everyone....

I believe **some** people feel, myself included, that when I'm staying to stay at the Poly, that is my resort for the duration of my stay. Therefore, I should be able to go to my beach and relax on the chairs or lounges and not have to worry about there being no space for my family and me b/c non poly guests treked over there to watch the fireworks or electrical parade to avoid the MK crowds. I pay to stay at the poly and I don't expect the pools and beaches should be crowded with non poly staying guests. Come and eat and shop but I pay to have the choice to watch the fireworks from my resort if I don't want to watch them at the MK.
 
DaisyD said:
I'm sure there are loyal guests in all the different levels of resorts. It doesn't negate the fact that deluxe folks pay more overall. Personally I see nothing wrong with Disney giving deluxe guests more perks. Paying more should get you more.


Paying more for a particular resort should get you more at that particular resort. It doesn't need to go outside that, though. Just because you pay more PER NIGHT at a deluxe (which doesn't necessarily mean you spend more at Walt Disney World than someone staying at a value resort) doesn't mean you should get special rights all across the World.
 
poly_rules said:
I believe **some** people feel, myself included, that when I'm staying to stay at the Poly, that is my resort for the duration of my stay.

I understand that's what you *feel* but I guess I am looking for some official policy from WDW or Poly. I would never violate an official policy by using facilities I am not entitled to. I just wouldn't and won't.

But if it's just your personal feeling and not a WDW or Poly policy, then I will make myself welcome if they tell me I am welcome. In that case, I think you would have to either rethink your expectations or try to get WDW or Poly to enact something official. But if there already *is* an official (even if unenforced) rule against visitors, then I want to know that. So I guess I am looking for the fact - not feelings or opinions.
 
poly_rules said:
:thumbsup2 YES, paying more to stay at a deluxe resort should get you more perks (at that resort) no matter how BIG or SMALL they seem. ::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes::

Yes more perks at the resort. As in keeping the Poly beach for Poly resort guests only.
 
You really can't just look at someone who's staying deluxe and then make an arbitrary judgment call that that person is paying more overall than someone staying at a value.
Perhaps, but you can look at the entire class of deluxe resort guests and say that they are contributing more profit per unit of perquisite offered. Deluxe resorts are higher margin offerings (across the travel and hospitality industry, incidently, not just at WDW).

I do think that it would hurt my feelings if ...
I would hope these discussions could help avoid that. It's surely nothing personal. Disney is, as you say, a business, and they're obligated by law to make their offerings such that what would, over the long-term, benefit their shareholders the most, even if that means that some guests don't get some things that other guests get.

But they also have to think about that loyal AS customer who could conceivably pay just as much as that Poly customer (if not more) over the course of a year.
Both you and Val said something like this. It is important to remember that revenue doesn't matter. Profit is what matters. A value resort guest would have to stay a lot longer to contribute as much profit as a deluxe resort guest. Also, as I mentioned above, isolated exceptions don't matter much either. What matters is what the whole class of guest typically does.

It's just disney has never differentiated between their customers before.
This is not true. There are many examples. Originally Priority Seating at restaurants was not available to off-site guests. Still, today, off-site guests are lower priority (they don't get 180+10 privileges) for ADRs. Prior to the opening of Caribbean Beach Resort, Disney didn't even offer any accommodations to folks who weren't deluxe resort guests, forcing such people out onto US-192. How much more differentiated can you get than that?

Universal doesn't seem to find the need to treat their onsite guests differently from eachother.
Universal has fewer hotels, and only has deluxe and moderate resorts.

Paying more should get you more
Agreed.....AT the resort itself.
Only as long as that's the best business decision. I believe that the data is beginning to show that that is no longer the case, that deluxe-only perqs AT THE PARKS is becoming a GOOD THING in Disney's eyes.

There have been many other discussions here in the past about whether there should be new deluxe-only perqs. The reality is that they're now becoming necessary because many of the great perqs Disney can offer couldn't practically be offered to as many guests as are at all three classes of resort on-site. In the end, it comes down to the people who stay at deluxe resorts generally liking the idea, while the people who don't generally not liking the idea, but there is nothing about the idea itself that would lend itself towards anything other than the best business decision: whatever will make the most profit over time. The things they're discussing aren't significant enough to depress bookings at value resorts too much, but could have a major impact on raising average rate paid at deluxe resorts. When it is determined that that's the case, these changes will happen.

Thanks for the good discussion! It seems that some other people on the Dis seem to have trouble with different opinions. :rolleyes1

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CheshireVal said:
Paying more for a particular resort should get you more at that particular resort. It doesn't need to go outside that, though. Just because you pay more PER NIGHT at a deluxe (which doesn't necessarily mean you spend more at Walt Disney World than someone staying at a value resort) doesn't mean you should get special rights all across the World.


I'm speaking more on terms of Poly guests keeping the resort perks to themselves. The OP was talking about the Poly beach. We pay for that perk as it is part of the resort. It should stay a guest perk. Personally I have written to the GM about such a perk and hope to meet with him on my next visit. When paying for a value or even a mod then the perks should only extend to those resorts. I don't want to come across as some wild nutcase that goes off the deepend when it comes to non Poly guests though. Like I said before I have never been during high season so I haven't had the the problems some have had. We have had difficulty getting a chair here and there. I just get irritated when every day I see yet another person reccommending using that beach to view the ELP or Wishes. The beach isn't getting any bigger yet the crowds are. I do believe that one day this will be changed and that only resort guests, not even restaurant guests, will be allowed to go on the beach. Might not happen soon but I see it as an eventuallity.
 
Danestress said:
I understand that's what you *feel* but I guess I am looking for some official policy from WDW or Poly. I would never violate an official policy by using facilities I am not entitled to. I just wouldn't and won't.

But if it's just your personal feeling and not a WDW or Poly policy, then I will make myself welcome if they tell me I am welcome. In that case, I think you would have to either rethink your expectations or try to get WDW or Poly to enact something official. But if there already *is* an official (even if unenforced) rule against visitors, then I want to know that. So I guess I am looking for the fact - not feelings or opinions.


The official policy was already posted back a few pages.
 
Out of curiosity I just called the Polynesian to see what response I would receive regarding this issue.

I asked the CM if I am not a guest staying at the Polynesian, am I allowed to go to the beaches to watch the fireworks or electrical water pageant and she said, "No mam." So to be clear I said, if I am not a guest staying at the Polynesian I can not use the beaches for viewing fireworks or parades etc. and she said, "That is correct. The Polynesian beaches are for the use of Polynesian guests only."

Take the response as you wish. My question was answered. I would post her name but I could barely understand the pronounciation of it never mind try to spell it.
 
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