Electrical Water Pageant

[Aisling]

I don't mean any disrespect to anyone, but I think this thread is hilarious. It reminds me of the time my mother and I were staying at the Contemporary and went over to have a look-see at the Poly, where we'd never been before. We were by the beach by the Hawaii longhouse walking the path when Wishes started. It was so crowded there, balconies full of people with their towels hanging over the sides. Maybe it was the towels that did it, but it just didn't make for a great atmosphere to watch the fireworks. Maybe I'd heard so much hype about it, and it just wasn't what I expected. Anyway, we rushed to try to get back to the Contemporary to finish Wishes from our 11 floor balcony, but we didn't make it. We did get to see the ELP go by the Contemp, and it was an unexpected surprise, since I didn't know when it was due.

Just my useless 2 cents. I guess you had to be there!

 

[EEyorelover22]

What's really funny is that is really isn't worth trucking all the way up to the Poly from the All-Star resorts to see the Electrical Light Pagent. We had it drift by our room at the Wilderness Lodge six times in January, and didn't bother even point it out to the kids. It's a nice-to-see if it happens to be going by when you're outside, but surely not something worth going out of your way to see.

Regarding Wishes, you're better off watching it from inside the Magic Kingdom. It's, again, a nice-to-see if you happen to already be at the Poly (perhaps having dinner) but it is no where near worth the trip just to see Wishes from a half-mile away.

I always wondered about whether it was worth it to go over there only for that reason. ELP that is. We saw it once when leaving MK.

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

How about if we agree to just follow the rules that Disney sets out? That should solve the argument and that way none of us has to be responsible for what anyone else is supposed to do?

Just a thought and a smile.

Slightly Goofy (who has far too much trouble deciding what is right for herself and no time at all for figuring out what others should do.)

 

[linfin]

not for nothing but the electrical parade is is four a boat with lights, not worth traveling to another resort for.

 

[CheshireVal]

FastPasses are normalized by being distributed at the attraction. That way, you get as many FastPasses as you do the work for. By the same token, if they change FastPass so that deluxe resort guests get "more" of them, then it would be fair only because they paid for that priority. Money is a universal equalizer in commerce.

Yeah, but then by that reasoning, my family, who pays for two rooms at a value and stays for 11-12 nights is paying more than many deluxe guests. So what about *my* paying for that priority?

I just don't think Disney can really use room "classes" to try to figure out who's really paying for the special privileges/extras.

 

[bicker]

They actually can. Whether they will or not remains to be seen.

There will always be odd exceptions, but even two rooms at a value resort doesn't generate as much profit as a single deluxe resort room.

 

[antkim]

you ever get the idea that some just like to provoke?

Here is what I think...whether it is liked or not. Disney has a wonderful parade at night. It is in the MK area....there is NO statement saying it is for MK guests only. All can dine at a MK resorts, right? Why is it that the DIS finds it against WDW rules to watch the shows there when Disney clearly does not????????? Yes, people pay more for deluxe...but it is NOT for the
"free parade" that comes by at night.

Should one reconsider taking up a hammock that they are not "paying" for...sure! That does not mean they are not entitiled to the parade!

ENJOY!!!

 

[rlovew]

Seems to me the hardest thing about a hotel based FP system would be trying to get it to work out. If I am staying at a deluxe resort on an AP, then how would they code that information and if they code it for one trip woud they have to take it off afterwards. And if I stay some nights at a Deluxe and them some at a moderate on the same tickets, when do they change over, after all even if I am staying in a moderate that night I stayed in a deluxe the night before. Seems to me the amount of programing that would need to be done would be very complicated and end up making the system go down on a regular basis making it impractical to all guest. If they wanted to do something special for onsite deluxe guests they could drop off a FP for a ride of their choice in the morning with the paper.

 

[disneyfan67]

How about if we agree to just follow the rules that Disney sets out? That should solve the argument and that way none of us has to be responsible for what anyone else is supposed to do?

Just a thought and a smile.

Slightly Goofy (who has far too much trouble deciding what is right for herself and no time at all for figuring out what others should do.)

I agree and excellent statement. I find myself debating things like this way too much, so I will heed your good advice. I'm a stickler for following the rules but have lost any desire to get in anymore arguments like this. I'm just going to worry about me and mine and leave it at that. I'll probably only go to Disney a couple more times anyway, so why am I sticking my nose into this? The way Disney keeps raising prices, in 10 years the beach will be pretty empty anyway. LOL! I love the Poly but it's not like I own it or anything. Sometimes it's easy to get wrapped up in stuff like this.


Enjoy the beach and reuse your mug from last year. You won't hear a peep from me. To quote the great Cosmo Kramer: "I'M OUT!!!!"

 

[Aisling]

not for nothing but the electrical parade is is four a boat with lights, not worth traveling to another resort for.

I agree it's not spectacular, but I think I'm obsessive about seeing everything!

I always wondered why Disney even HAD the ELP. It seemed like they had a few extra dollars in the billion dollar budget and came up with this. I really do enjoy seeing it, but who the heck came up with the idea, and why? Maybe Disney is constantly night and day thinking of ways to entertain and amuse us, so they thought, hey how about some left over light bulbs from Spectro, make a couple of dragons out of them, morph them into American flags for that patriotic touch, and voila, another unique disney
attraction for us. I love it.

 

[MiaSRN62]

Well, why say THAT? That's among the least likely scenarios.

Bicker,
Honestly I didn't make up that FP scenario. I had read it here on the DIS last year sometime I believe. I just got home from work and I'm too tired to do a search for it, but maybe tommorrow I will. So that's why I said that.....I was really borrowing what others were speculating about this rumor here on the DIS (can't even recall which board it was on). So if it's the least likely scenario, then that would be a good thing.

I'll value the money the first person gave me more than the money the second person gave me, but it wouldn't really affect how much I value either person as a person. Of course, if they were giving me that money for my services, I'd give priority to the first person. Wouldn't you?

I didn't mean literally "worthy"......just meant it in the realm of how disney treats/rewards etc that person. I honestly don't feel I'd treat someone who gave me $300 vs $100 any differently if you want to know my true feelings. I've actually been in situations like this.
That person who stays in the All Stars may be a very frequent loyal customer to disney. They may visit 4-5 times a year, while the person who stays in the Poly may visit once every other year. I somehow think that the loyal AS guest is going to feel a little jilted by a new FP policy such as the one we're discussing in where disney "rewards" the guest who stays at the Poly for a week every other year.
But it's ok...we can agree to disagree here. I understand disney is all about the big business.

 

[bicker]

Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree about that. I couldn't imagine any business getting away with treating customers who pay $350 for a service the same as those who pay $100 for the service. That would be commercial suicide.

 

[antkim]

Bicker,
Honestly I didn't make up that FP scenario. I had read it here on the DIS last year sometime I believe. I just got home from work and I'm too tired to do a search for it, but maybe tommorrow I will. So that's why I said that.....I was really borrowing what others were speculating about this rumor here on the DIS (can't even recall which board it was on). So if it's the least likely scenario, then that would be a good thing.


I didn't mean literally "worthy"......just meant it in the realm of how disney treats/rewards etc that person. I honestly don't feel I'd treat someone who gave me $300 vs $100 any differently if you want to know my true feelings. I've actually been in situations like this.
That person who stays in the All Stars may be a very frequent loyal customer to disney. They may visit 4-5 times a year, while the person who stays in the Poly may visit once every other year. I somehow think that the loyal AS guest is going to feel a little jilted by a new FP policy such as the one we're discussing in where disney "rewards" the guest who stays at the Poly for a week every other year.
But it's ok...we can agree to disagree here. I understand disney is all about the big business.

I'll agree to agree with you! Although I would love the perk of the FP scenario when I stay at a deluxe I would also feel jilted on the trips that I am staying at a different value/mod. I am lucky because I am able to take multiple trips to WDW in a year...but I do not always stay at a deluxe property.

Some people on the Dis seem to have to "agree to disagree" more often than some. Not sure why as I thought this was a "friendly" place! Oh well, I guess we all have our own ideas of fun.

 

[CheshireVal]

Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree about that. I couldn't imagine any business getting away with treating customers who pay $350 for a service the same as those who pay $100 for the service. That would be commercial suicide.

Yeah but it still all comes back to the point mentioned earlier. You really can't just look at someone who's staying deluxe and then make an arbitrary judgment call that that person is paying more overall than someone staying at a value.

There are many people who choose to go to Disney every year, or twice a year, or three to four times a year. If they are staying at a value resort each time in order to get down to Disney more, then I think they *are* paying more than someone who is staying at the Poly or GF for a "once in a lifetime" vacation.

Again, Disney is a business and will do whatever it pleases when it comes to this mess, but I do think that it would hurt my feelings if I were treated as if I am undeserving of extra fastpasses just because I chose to stay at a value that particular trip, especially when I've been one of their most loyal patrons my whole life!

 

[Allison]

Boy, how did this get so far off-topic?


Wasn't this thread about the EWP and now it has evolved into talking about fastpass?

 

[MiaSRN62]

Bicker says : I couldn't imagine any business getting away with treating customers who pay $350 for a service the same as those who pay $100 for the service. That would be commercial suicide.

I never said I couldn't see disney doing this from a "business" standpoint. But they also have to think about that loyal AS customer who could conceivably pay just as much as that Poly customer (if not more) over the course of a year. Disney has been known to treat all guests the same so I think this will be a stark contrast to that tradition & it will be noticeable. I also feel if disney had implemented the proposed/rumored FP policy like this from the get-go, it would not be taken as negatively as I feel it might be. But they are consciously planning on changing something that some will feel as a decrease of a perk that ordinarily was given uniformily across the board. As from a business standpoint....sure I can see disney doing this. But what's next ? Deluxe guests can enter the park an hour or two earlier than value/mod guests ? Or how about deluxe guests can make PS/ADR's 30-60 days earlier than all other guests ? Deluxe guests will get front of the line preference for character signings ? These are all perks so far afforded to ALL disney resort guests regardless of how much their room costs.

It's just disney has never differentiated between their customers before. It's what's made the disney service a well known trademark. Universal doesn't seem to find the need to treat their onsite guests differently from eachother. Like I said, I'd rather see disney take away FP from offsite guests and continue to treat onsite guests with the same uniform policy. I feel deluxe guests are already treated differently (or rewarded so to say). They have MUCH nicer accomodations and onsite amenities (room service/full service restaurants/proximity and transportation options to parks;concierge availability etc). Value guests have limited amenities/room. I just feel disney would be drawing a very noticeable dividing line here between the guests that didn't exist before. EVERYONE pays the same for park admission, so anything connected with such admission should be uniform. What you pay for your accomodations should remain seperate. Perhaps find some way to reward deluxe guests at the resort. Maybe have character meet and greets at deluxe resorts ? But what goes on in the parks should not change imho.

So, where we disagree is that you said such customer won't perceive the loss of value. I think they will. Disney has alot of loyal customers---I'd hate to see them alienate any guest. I think that AS guest is going to notice that even though they're loyal customers of disney (visiting 3-4 times a year), that disney will reward the occasional Poly guest instead. I think alot of disney customers are quite saavy about things like this and they may perceive that they are getting less value from disney. It will only take a small percentage of disgruntled value guest for disney to feel an impact in their customer service area. But like I said, alot depends on how they actually intend on implementing this FP policy (if at all). This has been a rumor for quite some time now.

Wasn't this thread about the EWP and now it has evolved into talking about fastpass?

Allison,
It did stray from the EWP topic, but in a way, we're still discussing perks that some feel are afforded to them for business/money reasons or whatever. I think you can draw a comparison with the topic of this rumored FP policy, in that it will draw a line between deluxe guests and value/mod guests or what each feels is entitled to them. Just friendly banter........

 

[CheshireVal]

I feel deluxe guests are already treated differently (or rewarded so to say). They have MUCH nicer accomodations and onsite amenities (room service/full service restaurants/proximity and transportation options to parks;concierge availability etc). Value guests have limited amenities/room.

Your whole post was very well stated! I don't mind that deluxe guests get extra perks like that when they're directly related to the hotel!

 

[antkim]

Your whole post was very well stated! I don't mind that deluxe guests get extra perks like that when they're directly related to the hotel!

 

[goofy4tink]

Your whole post was very well stated! I don't mind that deluxe guests get extra perks like that when they're directly related to the hotel!

Well said!!!!

 

[kaysmommie]

Your whole post was very well stated! I don't mind that deluxe guests get extra perks like that when they're directly related to the hotel!

When we stay at a deluxe we are given better perks, we are paying for them! The extra amenties don't come cheap. I would expect better hotel amenities for $400+ a night versus $100. We save a long time if we want to stay deluxe! As far as the parks we are all WDW guests and FP should be for all resort guests IMP. Universal lets it's hotel guests go to the front of lines. Of course you can pay extra for Universal Express. The good thing about Disney is everyone can afford a vacation here with there families. Universal hotels are all deluxe.