DVC Pools, Pool Hopping, Etc.

[Desperado]

las3888,

 

[jarestel]

Originally posted by las3888
Go ahead and redefine the word 'quiet' to fit your family's needs.

You may be guilty of refusing to see that the word 'quiet' has more than just the one meaning you want to attribute to it. See crisi's post on page 7 for alternative meanings. Definitions 7 and 8 specifically. Quiet does not have to mean silence. You choose to define it that way, others use different, but just as appropriate, definitions.

 

[Muushka]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
Because we are talking about a person who finds children's voices piecing and wants families to avoid a pool if she is there. IMO that person should have rethought their choice of timeshare purchase.

Families should not be made to feel unwelcomed at WDW since that is the target audience of the world.

AND like I said in an earlier post obnoxiousness should not be tolerated no matter who it comes from be it child or adult but to tell people that if they see adults snoozing by a pool to shlep somewhere else gives me a right to suggest an alternative for them as well.

Plus if you are not happy with PI or even West Side for that matter that is what Disney provided for the adults. Since childless couples are not Disney's main target audience I don't expect anything more to be planned in the future.

Plus to request that pools be just for adults IMO is absurd...for WDW anyway.

With the thousands of vacation spots that would be inappropriate for people with children especially toddlers, who tend to raise their voices when excited, it is one of the few places a kid can be a kid. It is one of the rare places where parents should be able to let their hair down too and not have to worry about their kids enjoying themselves "annoying" other people.

We will just have to agree to disagree. Either I am not reading your posts correctly or you are not reading my posts correctly.

I did not say that families should not swim at the 'leisure' pools.

Childrens voices are not piercing. Their screams are.

I do not enjoy PI and West Side at night. Sorry. I guess (according to you) the only alternative to escape children's screaming is to go to an adult scene of loud noise and drinking. I can't imagine why I don't enjoy that??

I just wonder why it is that someone with children that want to let their hair down don't just do it at the family pool? Does not make sense to me.

 

[wintergreen]

There are reasons that families would want to use the quiet pools. Among others:

1) it is actually easier to keep an eye on your kids and control their behavior in the smaller pools.

2) sometimes the water temperature is warmer in the smaller pools, especially in colder months.

3) sometimes the smaller pools are closer to your room.

4) sometimes the kids actually enjoy the lower-key atmosphere themselves.

 

[CarolAnnC]

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[tjkraz]

las3888:

I don't want to belabor the issue, but I think the other "X" factor for which you are not accounting is the Disney CM factor. Have you ever contacted the front desk to complain about the rowdy groups experienced at the Quiet Pool?

Obviously you are very clear on your own personal definition of what that pool should be. Also, you clearly disagree with others' stance on the issue.

But it would seem that the one interpretation that matters the most is Disney's.

If you've read this forum for any amount of time, you know that most people agree the best way to address a maintenance issue is to make the resort aware of it and give them the opportunity to address the issue. I think the same applies here. Next time you feel chased away from the pool, take a trip to the front desk and see if they are willing to do anything about it.

I honestly have no idea what sort of response you would receive. It's entirely possible that you would be vindicated. But, knowing the "Disney" way of doing things, I think it's equally possible that you may find your definition of a "Quiet Pool" may not necessarily agree with Disney's.

 

[SSRex]

I have never read anything about SSR's pool being on no pool hopping list. We hopped there from BCV 2 weeks ago and there were no signs like at Luna Pool or anyone checking anything else.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Desperado
Sorry, I cannot read your mind, I only know what you type.

It takes at least two.

Then you would see that the rest of my post never said this...if I placed a comma appropriately then I would have not confused some. But later on I explained what I had meant. Sorry my typing is not proficient.
Either way WDW is planned for children and families as are their pools some people need to realize that before planning a "relaxing" trip to WDW. There is no way WDW or DVC should even consider limiting pools no matter how many/few to adults.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Muushka
We will just have to agree to disagree. Either I am not reading your posts correctly or you are not reading my posts correctly.

I did not say that families should not swim at the 'leisure' pools.

Childrens voices are not piercing. Their screams are.

I do not enjoy PI and West Side at night. Sorry. I guess (according to you) the only alternative to escape children's screaming is to go to an adult scene of loud noise and drinking. I can't imagine why I don't enjoy that??

I just wonder why it is that someone with children that want to let their hair down don't just do it at the family pool? Does not make sense to me.

Well see this is where you are mistaken all the pools at WDW resorts are family pools. Just because quiet or leisure is on the map does not mean they are adults only.

 

[CarolAnnC]

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[wdwa1]

Originally posted by tjkraz
las3888:
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But it would seem that the one interpretation that matters the most is Disney's.

.......... most people agree the best way to address a maintenance issue is to make the resort aware of it and give them the opportunity to address the issue. I think the same applies here. Next time you feel chased away from the pool, take a trip to the front desk and see if they are willing to do anything about it.

I honestly have no idea what sort of response you would receive. It's entirely possible that you would be vindicated. But, knowing the "Disney" way of doing things, I think it's equally possible that you may find your definition of a "Quiet Pool" may not necessarily agree with Disney's.

I agree, if there is a problem go to resort mgmt personnel.
I think you may be pleasantly surprised with their response. I have read of quite a few guests getting a lot of satisfacation from resort managers regarding pool/hot tub issues--when there are valid reasons/concerns.
IMO the best place to get the resort's policy/definition of their quiet pool is from the resort management personnel.

 

[Desperado]

I think reasonableness is the best guideline. Some people are unreasonable in thier allowance of thier children's behavior and loud noise levels at quiet pools. Other families use quiet pools in consideration of others. Some families are unreasonable in late night noise at quiet pools. Others are considerate of fellow guests.

 

[Muushka]

Thank you wintergreen for your explanation of why people bring families to the leisure pool. That makes perfect sense to me.


This will be my last post on this thread. .

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Muushka
We will just have to agree to disagree. Either I am not reading your posts correctly or you are not reading my posts correctly.

I did not say that families should not swim at the 'leisure' pools.

Childrens voices are not piercing. Their screams are.

I do not enjoy PI and West Side at night. Sorry. I guess (according to you) the only alternative to escape children's screaming is to go to an adult scene of loud noise and drinking. I can't imagine why I don't enjoy that??

I just wonder why it is that someone with children that want to let their hair down don't just do it at the family pool? Does not make sense to me.

I am responging to the entire thread and not just you. If I quoted you it was to answer your post initially and explain why I had posted something. My entire post usually are not just a response to one person...usually. Also I never said people should deal with children screaming, come on now.
What I saiud is that Disney is a family place geared towards families with children. If people (not just you in particular) would like a vacation relaxing by the pool reading a book or snoozing then WDW might not be a good fit. To say that there should be a pool dedicated to adults is a bad idea IMO since the World caters to families with children.

Now for my disclaimer:
I do not think obnoxious people (by my definition or people are humans from age 0-150) should be given a pass to do whatever they want. None of my posts have even remotely defended the obnoxious rude behaviors. (except maybe the one I had to go re read and repost because I forgot to add a comma) This includes parents who let their children run amok no matter what the hour. Adults who expect children who are playing to be quiet in WDW because they "dealt with them all day" People who intrude on others space or use a pool as their personal football fields. People who chair save for the entire day only to use the chair for 10 minutes. People who move bathers belongings on the ground without checking to see if the owner is in the pool. The obnoxious list can go on.

So I have never said that I disagree that people who are screaming after 11 should be tolerated. A CM should handle the issue accordingly.

My only intention of my posting on this thread was that I do not agree with the fact that quiet/leisure pools should be for adults only and that children should not go in them when families see adults dozing/reading by the pool. To suggest that the families have to go to the higher active themed pool nis absurd (again not saying you said this but it is on this thread). Like was mentioned pages ago some kids don't even enjoy all the excitement or some people want to take a dip closer to their rooms.

So to sum it up two thumbs down for adult pools and two thumbs down to expecting kids to be quiet while they play..

 

[Desperado]

"I don't not think obnoxious people (by my definition or people are humans from age 0-150) should be given a pass to do whatever they want. "

It's a minor point, but actually, this statement is a double negative, and what it says is that you think obnoxious people should be given a pass to do whatever they want. You should probably change it to "don't think" or "do not think", but with "don't not think" both of the negatives cancel each other out and make it a positive statement that you "do think".


.... two thumbs down to parents failing to be considerate to other guests by not providing proper guidance to children concerning noise and behavior at quiet pools late at night.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Desperado
"I don't not think obnoxious people (by my definition or people are humans from age 0-150) should be given a pass to do whatever they want. "

It's a minor point, but actually, this statement is a double negative, and what it says is that you think obnoxious people should be given a pass to do whatever they want. You should probably change it to "don't think" or "do not think", but with "don't not think" both of the negatives cancel each other out and make it a positive statement that you "do think".


.... two thumbs down to parents failing to be considerate to other guests by not providing proper guidance to children concerning noise and behavior at quiet pools late at night.

hahahahaha so much for typing fast sorry it should read I do not think...blah blah LOL God I am having a rough day today LOL.

 

[disneymom2one]

I really don't think "quiet" pool means "adults only." I happen to have a nine year old with mild autism. Sometimes certain sights/sounds are too much for her to handle so a themed pool doesn't work. I never know and it changes from day to day. But if I bring her to a quiet pool because the themed pool is too much then I don't feel a need to have her be quiet and still. She's still a kid and if she wants to laugh and have a good time at the quiet pools I don't consider that inconsiderate. There are no rules stating "adults only". We expect her to courteous but to be quiet at a pool she's clearly allowed to use?

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by disneymom2one
I really don't think "quiet" pool means "adults only." I happen to have a nine year old with mild autism. Sometimes certain sights/sounds are too much for her to handle so a themed pool doesn't work. I never know and it changes from day to day. But if I bring her to a quiet pool because the themed pool is too much then I don't feel a need to have her be quiet and still. She's still a kid and if she wants to laugh and have a good time at the quiet pools I don't consider that inconsiderate. There are no rules stating "adults only". We expect her to courteous but to be quiet at a pool she's clearly allowed to use?

This is why the name is changing to leisure and why this thread will go on about what quiet means. To some it means no themeing, to ofhers it means actual quiet. Your daughter has every right to enjoy the pool like all guests of WDW...and she doesn't have to be quiet btw

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Desperado
I completely dissagree, Vero could not handle an all year membership approach.

Is pool hopping allowed at SSR? I didn't think it was, perhaps someone could correct me.

We can disagree, that's OK. I feel VB could easily handle day guests on a space available basis if they police crashers. They have far more crashers than they're likely to EVER have day guests. But as I tried to convey, I'm not saying they should do it, only that they could for VB owners, not all DVC owners. Marriott only allows owners at that resort as day guests.

And yes SSR is open to PH, subject to the rules set forth for PH. Only BCV and AKL have been banned from the PH program so far. Here are the current rules.

Water Activities




Pool-Hopping Information for 2004
You and any Guests staying with you at Disney's Old Key West Resort, Disney's BoardWalk Villas, The Villas at Disney's Wilderness Lodge, and Disney's Beach Club Villas are permitted to use other Disney Vacation Club and Walt Disney World® Resort hotel pools (in addition to the resort hotel at which you are staying) if the resort hotel pools are not at capacity. If the pool you are visiting reaches capacity, you may be asked to leave in order to accommodate Guests of that resort hotel. Please check with a Host/Hostess at the Front Desk of the resort hotel you wish to visit to find out about pool-access availability. You must present your Walt Disney World® Resort ID card with your "DVC Member" designation on it to use the other pools. This offer is not available at Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge and Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts.


Resort hotel pools may become unavailable from time to time due to capacity limitations. Due to the high occupancy that is expected, Disney Vacation Club Members may not "pool hop" during the following dates*:




April 3 - 11, 2004

May 28 - 31, 2004

June 28 - July 4, 2004

November 22 - 28, 2004

December 18, 2004 - January 2, 2005




*Other restricted dates may be added based on projected pool capacity.

But it would seem that the one interpretation that matters the most is Disney's.

And since Disney has not posted adults only or any other guidelines, they have spoken loudly. As I previoulsy addressed, as did many others, there is an acceptable behavior for children and adults, that is not in question. And I see no reason it should be different for any pool in question. While Disney generally doesn't kick people out, the pools have clearly defined closing times. It amuses me that anyone can interpret the term "quiet pools" at WDW to mean adults only or nearly so. It is unreasonable not to expect children to act like children no matter what pool they are at and yes, it can get annoying when they do.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Dean
We can disagree, that's OK. I feel VB could easily handle day guests.....