DVC Pools, Pool Hopping, Etc.

[JimC]

Originally posted by Disney1fan2002
...Personally I think ALL the pools in WDW resorts are great, EVEN the All Star pools. Also, for myself, I think I would feel "out of place" if I were not swimming at my own resort. But maybe that is just me.

Agree. We enjoy all of the resorts and the pools at that resort where we stay.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
Show this to your parents and ask how you were as a child they will say the exact thing. It is called a generation gap. Kids are no better or worse than in the past. Maybe kids of the past were better at faking it who knows but selective memory has alot to do with this.

Baloney. This "folksy" notion is not consistent with sociology studies and the thinking among todays child psychologists. Kids are exposed to an entirely different type of stimuli through todays cable television programing, and many other factors. This notion is just false.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Desperado
This doesn't make sense, when coming to Disney and being kid focused, why would noisy people late at night be allowed to wake up all the children and prevent them from sleeping. Does being kid focused also mean a license to be inconsiderate to others? There are parents who do not provide enough guidance to thier children, unfortunately.

Of course I did not mean loud people at all hours of the night that could be anyone adults or children. But to expect the pools to be for adults only or if you see an adult lounging by the pool you should shlep to another pool for "consideration" of the lounger. That is a riduculo0us consideration.

obnoxiousness should not be tolerated day or night but to expect children/families having fun to pick another pool for fear of annoying a person reading is crazy IMO.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Muushka
OK, I did my homework. I read the ENTIRE thread.

We are a childless couple. This does not mean that we do not like children-we go to WDW for pity sake! We both like children. In fact, I love children. But I have to say: if we are at a 'leisure' pool, and it is very serene and peaceful, and sudddenly a family comes in with screaming children, splashing and running, we will leave. I will not tell you that your children should be quiet. I will not tell you to go use the 'family' pool. We will just leave (quietly).

Carry on.......

If it were only an option to go try to teach / communicate / inspire / shake some sense into the parents....... sigh...........

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
....obnoxiousness should not be tolerated day or night....

Well, at least we agree on this.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Desperado
I don't see a problem with an active noisy kid pool and a quiet pool concept. Loud noisy kids can use the more active pool. What's the problem? I don't know about the planet some people come from, but when you have active kids and provide them with lots of attention and love, sometimes it helps to get away for a little while and help recharge the batteries. Not every place has to be noisy, kid mania frenzy all the time. Some quiet time (hour or so here and there) can help one be a better parent in my humble opinion. My wife and I try to help each other out this way. Doesn't mean everyone else has to do the same, but for us it works. I know it's helpful for her to get a break while I watch the kids, and a vacation is a great time to make those gestures IMO.

Where does frenzy and mania come in? Children don't act manic and frenzied...at least my kid doesn't. Why the assumtion that kids cannot swim and have fun without being wildchilds?

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by JessetheCowgirl
Really? Now how have I missed that????

I had no idea--We've always gone to the pool wearing swimsuits/coverups/sandals, then back to the room to change.

Maybe when my kids are older and will happily swim longer we will do a Tour-de-Pools.

Of course, by then the pool hopping privelege will probably be a thing of the past . . .

The changing rooms also help if you arrive early before check in and want to swim.

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
Show this to your parents and ask how you were as a child they will say the exact thing. It is called a generation gap. Kids are no better or worse than in the past. Maybe kids of the past were better at faking it who knows but selective memory has alot to do with this.

Actually my father practiced the rule of "Kids Should be Seen not Heard." We were not loud, we did not whine and we definitely understood the word, quiet.

And Yes we were still able to have fun and have fun at Disney World.

 

[Muushka]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
Where does frenzy and mania come in? Children don't act manic and frenzied...at least my kid doesn't. Why the assumtion that kids cannot swim and have fun without being wildchilds?

I agree. There are plenty of great kids out there. I have even swam with them in the 'leisure' pool. I love the sound of children just talking at a normal tone and quietly playing. I would say that when we join a 'leisure' pool that is peaceful, it may have a few kiddos in it. It is when the loud, splashing adults and not caring, running and screaming ones that come in that make me up and leave.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Desperado
Sorry gmboy95 and 3DisneyNUTS but as a parent of three very young and very active chiuldren, I don't think that just because WDW is the kid capital of the world, that is an automatic license to be inconsiderate to others. Frankly, its just the opposite, and about teaching children good values and principles in being considerate toward others.

But, I won't debate the point much further. I've had some wonderful times in the pools very late at night with my children, even though I asked them to keep the noise low because others were sleeping. I don't think being considerate to others who were sleeping in thier rooms hindered our enjoyment of those special late night (1am) moments one little bit. It wouldn't have been so special and memorable if we were loud and disturbing others.

Why do kids = inconsiderate? Not all children or failies have kids that act like maniacs in a pool.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
Why the assumtion that kids cannot swim and have fun without being wildchilds?

I'm not assuming such. Mine can. Perhaps yours can. Some parents provide no guidance. I'm not saying your in that no guidance group. If you haven't been exposed to the group of inconsiderate parents who provide little to no guidance, I believe you to be very lucky. We've been exposed to safety risks by parents who provide little to no guidance to thier children, and had to step in.

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
Why do kids = inconsiderate? Not all children or failies have kids that act like maniacs in a pool.

Agreed. That and the statement prior really has nothing to do with the views posted. It misses the points entirely.

My children won't be keeping you awake late at night by being noisy in the pool, we'll enjoy our time together being considerate of others, regardless of who thinks it's appropriate or not.

 

[Happy Birthday Cat]

I don't think anyone favors kids and/or adults running around going nuts and ruining everyone else's quiet time. I expect my kids to act differently at the quiet pool than they do at the resort's main pool. I think they do but I'm sure after reading a couple of these posts that they act in ways that some people would object to for a quiet pool (just by being there).

The real discussion IMHO is about the belief by some that quiet pools are for adults only. If my family is on our way to the quiet pool and we see only adults there on a lounge chair reading a book that we should "think twice" about staying and using the area is unthinkable to me. It reminds me of high school when the "cool" kids would tell others to think twice about sitting at certain tables in the cafeteria.

I don't have a problem with the quiet pool being more quiet, more subdued, more laid back and more controled than the main pool. I do have a problem with those who believe that children should not use the "quiet" pool under any circumstance.

HBC

 

[Happy Birthday Cat]

Originally posted by Desperado
My children won't be keeping you awake late at night by being noisy in the pool, we'll enjoy our time together being considerate of others, regardless of who thinks it's appropriate or not.

Agree completely. Well said.

HBC

 

[PJMPA]

Since my earlier post on this topic, I had a chance to read all the threads, the majority of which point to the kids as the source of the problem. My point was that many times it's the adults who are at fault. Example: Dad flings the ball to his 15 year old son on the other side of the pool who gets the idea it's ok to smoke it in to his 17 year old brother. Ball gets loose, skims the water and bounces out of the pool and hits someone on a lounge(me). Big brother then screams at the top of his lungs what a lousy arm little brother has while Dad yells to lounge sitter(me) "hey sorry I almost knocked your eye out". All the while, little sister is screaming Marco Polo over and over again at the top of her lungs while Mom sits there and watches. I don't blame the kids entirely. I have 14 year old twin girls who you wouldn't exactly describe as quiet and even they look at us in amazement how rude people have gotten at the pool. It's like a big free-for-all. I'd be happy to pay a couple more dollars in dues to have somebody monitor pool behavior.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Happy Birthday Cat
.... It reminds me of high school when the "cool" kids would tell others to think twice about sitting at certain tables in the cafeteria.

Sorry you weren't able to sit at the cool kids table.

I don't have a problem with the quiet pool being more quiet, more subdued, more laid back and more controled than the main pool. I do have a problem with those who believe that children should not use the "quiet" pool under any circumstance.

On this we agree.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by PJMPA
Since my earlier post on this topic, I had a chance to read all the threads, the majority of which point to the kids as the source of the problem. My point was that many times it's the adults who are at fault. Example: Dad flings the ball to his 15 year old son on the other side of the pool who gets the idea it's ok to smoke it in to his 17 year old brother. Ball gets loose, skims the water and bounces out of the pool and hits someone on a lounge(me). Big brother then screams at the top of his lungs what a lousy arm little brother has while Dad yells to lounge sitter(me) "hey sorry I almost knocked your eye out". All the while, little sister is screaming Marco Polo over and over again at the top of her lungs while Mom sits there and watches. I don't blame the kids entirely. I have 14 year old twin girls who you wouldn't exactly describe as quiet and even they look at us in amazement how rude people have gotten at the pool. It's like a big free-for-all. I'd be happy to pay a couple more dollars in dues to have somebody monitor pool behavior.

Great points. It's the rude adults failing to provide appropriate guidance to thier children. Personally, I'm in favor of reviving the public stockade for such conduct. It is truley amazing. These poor children subjected to these "absent" parents is really quite sad.

 

[wdwa1]

I don't have a problem with the quiet pool being more quiet, more subdued, more laid back and more controled than the main pool. I do have a problem with those who believe that children should not use the "quiet" pool under any circumstance.

I totally agree and when our children were young; we used both the main pool and the quiet pools, in the same way it appears your family does.
But I do not see where anyone has said or suggested that children should not use quiet pools under any circumstances,
What some people did suggest is separate quiet pool for adults only at WDW resorts. Several have expressed opinions that this would never happen at WDW because it is for families etc. However, very valid and true posts were made pointing out how DCL has many adult only areas. But no one has said WDW quiet pools should be exclusively for adults.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Desperado
Repeating the same statement doesn't make it any less absurd. There's no way the Vero Pool could handle much additional capacity on some of the prime days. It is clearly not workable IMO. (by the way, how many pools to the Marriott's on HH have? Doesn't the Grande Ocean have 3?) Regardless of what the Marriott's on HH do, as I said, I completely dissagree.

Marriott's vary. Grande Ocean has 3 for more than 3 times the units. Like DVC PH, it's on a space available basis so no real risk if policed correclty. Vero could handle plenty just like the WDW pools if they would police crashers.

 

[TDC Nala]

I guess the next value resort built should be themed like hell, because it seems as though some feel that's where those guests belong. Eternal flames? Shrieks of the damned? The possibilities are endless.

Use Dante's Inferno as a model and have sections for each of the circles of hell? Lucifer's Food Court and Torture Chamber would probably operate like that Far Side cartoon that had the devil facing some denizens of hell holding a pizza and saying something like "Who ordered this? It's going straight back"

Asking to see ID's to get on to the resort monorail, and all buses to/from resorts would make it much harder for day trippers to use the resort pools. I don't know why Disney stopped doing this, but it should start again. I think this would eliminate about 90% of the problem.

It would also make it more difficult for guests to access the resort restaurants... and Disney WANTS them visiting the restaurants.

 

[lenshanem]

Sorry I didn't read all these pages, but last week at SAB we were never once asked to show our room key!!!