Donald Trump's sons are morons

[joviroxx]

Any issue with fishermen taking pictures with their big catch?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Any issue with fishermen taking pictures with their big catch?

Good point.

 

[KingK12]

I'm not really seeing anything to be outraged about, unless the animals they hunted are on the endangered list and its illegal to hunt them

I agree with you! Or if they are not going to eat them and put the kill to good use as well as endangered.

 

[Planogirl]

(my comment in bold above)

Do you have experience hunting these animals? What is an almost tame animal in the wild? Were the Trumps led to animals that were tied up? What does any of that have to do with pictures?

I don't know if the Trumps were led to tame animals or not and no I don't have experience hunting these animals but know people who do. My point is that I don't find the "bagging" of these trophies as admirable as getting trophies and medals for other reasons and outlined why.

I agree that finding the pictures distasteful is a matter of personal opinion and no one is actually wrong here.

 

[MAH4546]

I will answer........yes I am vegetarian, close to vegan.

but I also don't have issue with people that eat what they kill.
killing just to kill and put a head on the wall. no, have a problem with that.

You do realize that elephant and crocodile meat is consumed, right? A dead elephant can feed an entire remote African village for a week, and that's where the meat from game hunting in Africa usually goes. Crocodile/alligator itself is a very common meat in Florida and Louisiana.

 

[npmommie]

You do realize that elephant and crocodile meat is consumed, right? A dead elephant can feed an entire remote African village for a week, and that's where the meat from game hunting in Africa usually goes. Crocodile/alligator itself is a very common meat in Florida and Louisiana.

actually I did not know that elephant meat was consumed. I did know that croc and alligator are eaten, esp in the south.

still don't like it.
I think there are better ways to feed a village. but that is how I feel. and how about feeding " villages" right here that are without food. If the Trumps want recognition for feeding people without food, do they do any charity for such a cause right in New York? bet its needed there too. just sayin.
maybe they already do such charity work, I really don't know.

 

[Christopher Robin]

http://www.trump.com/charities/

 

[luvmy3]

actually I did not know that elephant meat was consumed. I did know that croc and alligator are eaten, esp in the south.

still don't like it.
I think there are better ways to feed a village. but that is how I feel. and how about feeding " villages" right here that are without food. If the Trumps want recognition for feeding people without food, do they do any charity for such a cause right in New York? bet its needed there too. just sayin.
maybe they already do such charity work, I really don't know.

Just curious, would it make a difference if the villagers were hunting elephants and eating them? What are the better ways, I'm honestly wondering since before I can even remember we've been concerned with people starving all over the world. You would think that in those last 30 years, we would have figured out all those better ways This just might be one of those better ways.

I don't think the Trumps went out hunting to get recognition for feeding anyone. They most likely enjoy the sport, and an added bonus of it is that an entire village gets food. I don't see anything remotely wrong with it, and if I did I'd be a hypocrite since I go to Stop N Shop every week to buy meat someone else killed.

 

[dzorn]

actually I did not know that elephant meat was consumed. I did know that croc and alligator are eaten, esp in the south.

still don't like it.
I think there are better ways to feed a village. but that is how I feel. and how about feeding " villages" right here that are without food. If the Trumps want recognition for feeding people without food, do they do any charity for such a cause right in New York? bet its needed there too. just sayin.
maybe they already do such charity work, I really don't know.

How someone chooses to donate to charity is their personal business. Not my concern or business.

The Trumps did not go a a big ad to toot their own horns they responded to news reports from a hunt last year.

Though you would have feed a village differently unless you are actually going to do it why not cut someone a break that actually is.

Denise in MI

 

[dzorn]

Just curious, would it make a difference if the villagers were hunting elephants and eating them? What are the better ways, I'm honestly wondering since before I can even remember we've been concerned with people starving all over the world. You would think that in those last 30 years, we would have figured out all those better ways This just might be one of those better ways.

I don't think the Trumps went out hunting to get recognition for feeding anyone. They most likely enjoy the sport, and an added bonus of it is that an entire village gets food. I don't see anything remotely wrong with it, and if I did I'd be a hypocrite since I go to Stop N Shop every week to buy meat someone else killed.

And not only the meat helps them I bet the tourist dollars don't hurt either.

Denise in MI

 

[kamik86]

well I will consider it a trophy when it is a fair fight. If the animals could use guns too.
but not wanting to get into the hunting debate.

hunting to eat the meat is one thing, but hunting just to kill and have a "trophy" is quite another in my book.
jmo

What about if they do both? My dad used to hunt before he got to old to do it anymore. Although he does have a few sets of antlers on the wall we did eat the deer. venison is really good and I can't tell you how much money our family saved on meat each year he got a deer (and that is comparing to the beef we would have eaten, not spending more to get venison). The parts our family didn't like he gave away to people who would eat them (His mom liked liver for example, although our family didn't, we knew peopel that liked some of the tougher parts because they could make jerky out of them even though they weren't as good to eat normally, bones could be used for soups, etc...) The antlers are useless to eat though so he kept that part.

The person who did the butchering said it was said the number of people that didn't know what they were doing and would take bad shots or shoot multiple times and ruin alot of the meat. Dad normally lost very little of his because he was patient enough to wait for a good shot.

 

[joviroxx]

actually I did not know that elephant meat was consumed. I did know that croc and alligator are eaten, esp in the south.

still don't like it.
I think there are better ways to feed a village. but that is how I feel. and how about feeding " villages" right here that are without food. If the Trumps want recognition for feeding people without food, do they do any charity for such a cause right in New York? bet its needed there too. just sayin.
maybe they already do such charity work, I really don't know.

I don't know, but I don't think the Trumps went to Africa to hunt for recognition of their charities.

They went on a vacation to hunt. As a result they paid money, helped the local economy ,fed a village and had a great time doing it. Oh yeah, they took a picture. Guess Im still having trouble with the "moron" part of it all.

Is it just the animal they hunted that is an issue? I smashed a cockroach last week for no reason but that it grossed me out..

 

[tasha99]

The more I've thought of this, the more I've come to the conclusion that all this concern over a legal hunt is largely the western world telling the non-western world what to do. The people of Zimbabwe allowed this hunt. Who are we to tell them they don't know how to manage their own game resources?

Someone said they would feed people differently. Why? Would you send them over our pink slime? When you think about it, what the Trumps shot was local, organic meat. If we can trust the people to control their hunting resources, it was likely sustainable as well. So what's the problem? Are elephant and crocodile so offensive or foreign to a western palate that we just don't recognize they are food?

 

[princessmom29]

I grew up in a family where hunting was part of or lives,and some years the only way we all stayed fed. We would have likely gone hungry if not for the deer in the freezer. I see nothing wrong with hunting for food. It is no different than gonig to the gorcery for ground beef, just a whole lot cheaper and less processed, plus it is vital in maintaining the health of our natural resources where humans and animals share space.

The land my family hunted was designated a s aland managment track. The fish and game service came in a tracked the deer population. They set the numbers that MUST be killed to maintian a healthy population. That is right, the scientists at land management told us how many deer HAD to be take n by hunters to keep the population healthy. If the hunters that managed the land didn't kill enough deer, they lost thier right to manage the land.

I don't think many people realize it, but land managment hunting is actually NECESSARY in populated areas to maintian a healthy population of animals. Natural predators have been all but eliminated in many areas becuase people have moved in and pocketed off sections of forseted land in between communities, even in ares that are still pretty rural. Human population disrupts natural patterns for wildlife. If the prey species are not thinned, disease and starvation will follow. You can thank deer hunters in the US for keeping lime disease under control for one. If big game hunters are truly land managment hunting, and what they kill is being consumed, I don't see a problem. Killing and animal just for a trophy, not so much.

 

[princessmom29]

The more I've thought of this, the more I've come to the conclusion that all this concern over a legal hunt is largely the western world telling the non-western world what to do. The people of Zimbabwe allowed this hunt. Who are we to tell them they don't know how to manage their own game resources?

Someone said they would feed people differently. Why? Would you send them over our pink slime? When you think about it, what the Trumps shot was local, organic meat. If we can trust the people to control their hunting resources, it was likely sustainable as well. So what's the problem? Are elephant and crocodile so offensive or foreign to a western palate that we just don't recognize they are food?

Exactly. It isn't like sending the starving children of Africa a tofu burger is a practical solution. Nither is farming in most of the areas that allow these hunts. The soil is simply too poor to support the population.

 

[luvmy3]

They don't sound like morons to me. I can't say the same for the PETA rep though

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sidesho...brutal-hunting-photos-released-213958504.html

Trump Jr. writes, "I don't apologize to cater to public opinion when I did nothing wrong. To do so would be to sell myself out."

In a joint statement released by the Trump brothers, they defended their actions and noted that all of the meat killed in their hunting expedition was donated to local villagers:
"We are both avid outdoorsmen and were brought up hunting and fishing with our grandfather, who taught us that nothing should ever be taken for granted or wasted. We have the utmost respect for nature and have always hunted in accordance with local laws and regulations."

This "controversy" is much to do about nothing.

 

[dodukes]

I am actually glad that he/they are addressing it. Fact is, he did nothing illegal or "wrong". While some might have moral issues with it, that is their problem to face. It's also refreshing to see that they are not "apologizing" or entering into a hunters rehab or any of the such nonsense that these other celebrities do to cater to the opinion of the masses. they are hunters, they like to do it, they are doing nothing illegal and they are backing it up. Thumbs up in my book!

 

[scrapquitler]

The more I've thought of this, the more I've come to the conclusion that all this concern over a legal hunt is largely the western world telling the non-western world what to do. The people of Zimbabwe allowed this hunt. Who are we to tell them they don't know how to manage their own game resources?

Someone said they would feed people differently. Why? Would you send them over our pink slime? When you think about it, what the Trumps shot was local, organic meat. If we can trust the people to control their hunting resources, it was likely sustainable as well. So what's the problem? Are elephant and crocodile so offensive or foreign to a western palate that we just don't recognize they are food?

Just because something is not done in our culture doesn't make it morally wrong if someone does it in a place where it IS part of the culture.

I have mentioned before that I lived in South America for a while. In Ecuador and Peru, Guinea Pigs are raised as meat. Does that mean that I was morally wrong to have eaten that while I was there?? The family I lived with had a bunch (a couple dozen) of them living in the shed and used them as food for holiday meals.

 

[bookgirl]

They're hunting. They're Trophy hunting. They're Trophy hunting in an area where it's legal to Trophy hunt. They're guys out in the middle of a jungle with a bunch of other guys who all like to shoot guns. They shot animals. They took pictures.

Where exactly is the big surprise in this?

Do I hunt? NO

Do I eat game meat? NO

Do I care what a couple of guys out in the middle of the freaking jungle do. Not really.

I also tend to brush off any thing that comes from animal activists, but that's just a personal thing, so I would have ignored any press release from them anyway.

It's not even a blip on my radar.

 

[Zandy595]

Trump's Sons Under Investigation for African Hunting Trip

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/trumps-sons-under-investigation-african-hunting-trip-140336909--abc-news.html

Donald Trump's sons are facing more scrutiny for their African hunting expedition that recently came to light.

The trip is currently the subject of an investigation led by conservationists in Zimbabwe.

Donald Trump Jr., who stars on " The Celebrity Apprentice" alongside his dad, and his brother Eric sparked outrage among animal lovers on Twitter earlier this month after photos surfaced of the two posing with animals they killed during a 2011 safari trip in Africa. Trump Jr. later defended their actions in part by tweeting, "I'm a hunter, for that I make no apologies."

Trump Jr. may be a hunter, but TMZ.com reports the independent Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force says the South African safari company the sons used was not registered in Zimbabwe.

The task force says Trump Jr. and his brother killed an elephant, a buffalo and a crocodile, among other animals. In one of the leaked pictures, Trump Jr., is seen holding a knife and the cut-off tail of an elephant.

The group is investigating whether license and trophy fees were paid.