Donald Trump's sons are morons

[LuvsDragonflies]

Okay...so what if you are allergic to nuts?

 

[npmommie]

Okay...so what if you are allergic to nuts?

are you asking me?
peanut butter is the only nut I regularly eat.
but I don't have to eat it.

beans, grains, any vegetable, potatoes, fruits, soy yogurt, soy milk, assuming no soy allergy. we use almond milk just because we all like the taste better.
pasta and veg dishes,
vegetable pies,
stir fry with rice or quinoa
chili with cornbread
stew with bread and earth balance
mexican, bean and rice burritos, black beans with tomatoes corn over rice
hummus on crackers for snacks,
oatmeal
cereal
muffins
I could go on
just some examples of what we eat

 

[npmommie]

sometimes I throw a little tofu in with the veg pie or stir fry.
tofu is cheap and a little goes a long way.

last night I made buffalo tofu, the dressing was not vegan though it was a yogurt ranch. hubby calls himself flexitarian. he eats what I cook but when we go out he eats what he wants

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

Flexitarian, lol, I like that!

If you couldn't eat nuts, it would be much harder to get all the protein you need tho right?

 

[princessmom29]

and you know what I read how??

I find it funny that you do not read current findings on the complete protein argument, and you are trying to insist you are correct.
Just to help a little,
all foods contain some protein, yes animal foods contain the 9 essential ones, but so does Quinoa and soy. and the suggestion of precise combos of foods eaten at the same time to make the vegan diet complete is so old, probably more than 30 years old.
current research will tell you they don't have to be eaten at the same meal. If one eats a varied diet, you will get the proper amount of essential amino acids.
americans eat far too much protein. period.

so you can try to tell me I am wrong, but really I am correct and I hate to see misinformation out there, because it may sway someone who is thinking of going plant based from doing so thinking it may be too complicated.

it is not. I had peanut butter on whole grain toast this morning. ta da, a complete protein!

You are putting pwrds in my mouth. I never siad anything had to be eaten in the same meal, in fact the article i quoted said the DID NOT. What i am saying, is that you have ot CAREFULLY vary that diet to get everything a growing child needs. Where exactly is a poor, rural family supposed to get qunioa or soy cheap enough to use it as a primary source of protien.

are you asking me?
peanut butter is the only nut I regularly eat.
but I don't have to eat it.

beans, grains, any vegetable, potatoes, fruits, soy yogurt, soy milk, assuming no soy allergy. we use almond milk just because we all like the taste better.
pasta and veg dishes,
vegetable pies,
stir fry with rice or quinoa
chili with cornbread
stew with bread and earth balance
mexican, bean and rice burritos, black beans with tomatoes corn over rice
hummus on crackers for snacks,
oatmeal
cereal
muffins
I could go on
just some examples of what we eat

exactly, and to get all of the essential amino acids, your grocery bill per week is likely more than most families at the poverty line spend in a month. If you have the money, you can do it. If not, something is going to be lacking.

 

[princessmom29]

Flexitarian, lol, I like that!

If you couldn't eat nuts, it would be much harder to get all the protein you need tho right?

yes, and nuts and the alternative items you would need are both expensive. Completely out of reach for the very poor.

 

[cornflake]

Growing children, especially those under 5, have different nutritional needs than adults, and beans are an incomplete source of protien for them. There is no way one could eat enough leafy vegatables to satisfy their protien needs, and unless we grew turnips, there were none in our house. Plant based protiens are fine for adults, but are laking a couple of amino acids that children need for healthy growth. Those are hard to get if you are not eating meat or dairy. There is a very limitied range of foods that contain them outside of meat, cheese, and milk. Cheese or milk in our house was a treat and hardly a regular occurance when I was growing up. Most poeple who have young children who are on a completley vegan diet have to supplement these amino acids. If we didn't have the deer we were eating, we certainly would not have been getting enough store bought meat, cheese, and milk to get an adequate supply of these. Those things were very rare in our house during what I call "the lean years".

First, we were talking about vegetarians, not vegans and how we got to your family during some period of poverty I have no idea.

Second, no, they don't supplement those amino acids, they just eat a varied diet. As above, that 'food combining' thing was debunked decades ago, and even when it was in vogue, it wasn't expensive as a complete protein profile can be had with beans and rice - cheap!

Your original post was about how vegetarians needed special supplements and veggie burgers and etc., and vegetarianism was expensive. This is not true.

Vegetarians are telling you this. No one needs tofu (it's disgusting), certainly no one needs fake meat, plenty of us don't and never have consumed these things. I've known lifelong vegans. It's not a big deal.

 

[npmommie]

You are putting pwrds in my mouth. I never siad anything had to be eaten in the same meal, in fact the article i quoted said the DID NOT. What i am saying, is that you have ot CAREFULLY vary that diet to get everything a growing child needs. Where exactly is a poor, rural family supposed to get qunioa or soy cheap enough to use it as a primary source of protien.

exactly, and to get all of the essential amino acids, your grocery bill per week is likely more than most families at the poverty line spend in a month. If you have the money, you can do it. If not, something is going to be lacking.

oops, I am sorry. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, I misunderstood your position and I didn't read your link . I thought you were saying it has to be precise combos at each meal.
and you are correct, living at poverty would make it more difficult.

I probably spend about at least 200 a week on groceries. I live in a high cost area though and our grocery store is outrageously priced!
leafy greens are pretty much the only fresh veg I buy in the off season. once the farmers markets get rolling it becomes easier. but I buy a lot of frozen vegetables.

 

[npmommie]

First, we were talking about vegetarians, not vegans and how we got to your family during some period of poverty I have no idea.

Second, no, they don't supplement those amino acids, they just eat a varied diet. As above, that 'food combining' thing was debunked decades ago, and even when it was in vogue, it wasn't expensive as a complete protein profile can be had with beans and rice - cheap!

Your original post was about how vegetarians needed special supplements and veggie burgers and etc., and vegetarianism was expensive. This is not true.

Vegetarians are telling you this. No one needs tofu (it's disgusting), certainly no one needs fake meat, plenty of us don't and never have consumed these things. I've known lifelong vegans. It's not a big deal.

I think the poverty thing came up because she said had it not been for the deer her family would have gone hungry, and I chimed in that no one needs to eat meat, and veg choices can be cheap, beans and rice are cheap.
fresh veg are not.
but like I said, I try to buy a lot of frozen. I have a bag of frozen corn and kale that will be going in a macaroni dish for dinner.

 

[princessmom29]

oops, I am sorry. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, I misunderstood your position and I didn't read your link . I thought you were saying it has to be precise combos at each meal.
and you are correct, living at poverty would make it more difficult.

I probably spend about at least 200 a week on groceries. I live in a high cost area though and our grocery store is outrageously priced!
leafy greens are pretty much the only fresh veg I buy in the off season. once the farmers markets get rolling it becomes easier. but I buy a lot of frozen vegetables.

Thanks, I am glad we understand one another better. I do know families that cannot spend 200 a month on groceries.

I think the poverty thing came up because she said had it not been for the deer her family would have gone hungry, and I chimed in that no one needs to eat meat, and veg choices can be cheap, beans and rice are cheap.
fresh veg are not.
but like I said, I try to buy a lot of frozen. I have a bag of frozen corn and kale that will be going in a macaroni dish for dinner.

A lot goes to access as well. Kale is not something you would have acces to here, except in a high end specialty grocery. The same goes for quinoa and raw soybeans. Soy milk is twice what cows milk costs,the list goes on. Most poor families in out area just couldn't make it work on what is available to them at prices they can afford.

 

[cornflake]

I think the poverty thing came up because she said had it not been for the deer her family would have gone hungry, and I chimed in that no one needs to eat meat, and veg choices can be cheap, beans and rice are cheap.
fresh veg are not.
but like I said, I try to buy a lot of frozen. I have a bag of frozen corn and kale that will be going in a macaroni dish for dinner.

As you point out - beans and rice are super cheap. As are plenty of fresh veg. Potatoes are nutritionally dense (ask the Irish who lived off them) and cheap. I have a lot of lentil soup in the fridge - lentils, carrots, onion, celery, yes, kale but I've also done collard greens, mustard greens, etc., that's cheap and nutritionally dense. Lots of root veg are cheap, other stuff cycles, grains tend to be cheap, especially in bulk.

No one needs to eat meat, or soy milk or soy anything or quinoa (it's nice and nutritionally dense as well but it's certainly not a requirement).

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

As you point out - beans and rice are super cheap. As are plenty of fresh veg. Potatoes are nutritionally dense (ask the Irish who lived off them) and cheap. I have a lot of lentil soup in the fridge - lentils, carrots, onion, celery, yes, kale but I've also done collard greens, mustard greens, etc., that's cheap and nutritionally dense. Lots of root veg are cheap, other stuff cycles, grains tend to be cheap, especially in bulk.

No one needs to eat meat, or soy milk or soy anything or quinoa (it's nice and nutritionally dense as well but it's certainly not a requirement).

Without meat, or dairy, or soy, where do you get the protein, fat, calcium, etc. that you get with these foods without supplements? I mean years ago the supplements we have now were not readily available.

Plus in certain areas, lets pick Appalachian mountains, these people didn't (don't still today in some cases) have access to your local ShopRite, they lived on what they grew, could barter or buy or what they hunted. Weekly store runs weren't as accessible for them as they were for a lot of people.

I mean, today, I go to the grocery store a couple times a week if I'm missing something.

Remember the United States of America still has people hungry, every day.
Just curious.

 

[cornflake]

Without meat, or dairy, or soy, where do you get the protein, fat, calcium, etc. that you get with these foods without supplements? I mean years ago the supplements we have now were not readily available.

Plus in certain areas, lets pick Appalachian mountains, these people didn't (don't still today in some cases) have access to your local ShopRite, they lived on what they grew, could barter or buy or what they hunted. Weekly store runs weren't as accessible for them as they were for a lot of people.

I mean, today, I go to the grocery store a couple times a week if I'm missing something.

Remember the United States of America still has people hungry, every day.
Just curious.

Personally, I'm a vegetarian.

However, there's plenty of fat, calcium and protein in nuts, legumes, leafy green veg, etc. You absorb, say, calcium better from greens than from milk, and non-saturated fat sources are more healthful than saturated.

Of course hunger is a serious problem in this country (and the world), I don't think I said anything that suggested it wasn't. Food deserts are a big problem in the U.S. as well. I stop at the market all the time too and luckily live near plentiful produce-centered markets. People in the Appalachians can also grow food - it's been a fertile region. I'm not saying oh, they should just grow stuff and not be hungry, I realize it's complex and multifaceted, just saying the only answer isn't hunting.

However, in general, vegetarianism is still the cheaper option - in a local and global sense. There are also plenty of people around the world in poverty and in areas without any big markets who live as vegetarians through generations. Plenty of practicing Buddhists and Hindus are vegetarian and have always been. All vegetarians I know know Indian restaurants are safe in a strange town, because at least a good part of the menu is guaranteed to be veg.

 

[npmommie]

Without meat, or dairy, or soy, where do you get the protein, fat, calcium, etc. that you get with these foods without supplements? I mean years ago the supplements we have now were not readily available.

Plus in certain areas, lets pick Appalachian mountains, these people didn't (don't still today in some cases) have access to your local ShopRite, they lived on what they grew, could barter or buy or what they hunted. Weekly store runs weren't as accessible for them as they were for a lot of people.

I mean, today, I go to the grocery store a couple times a week if I'm missing something.

Remember the United States of America still has people hungry, every day.
Just curious.

I can tell you where we get nutrients.
Beans, legumes, leafy greens, spinach, cereals, whole grain bread, almond milk, veg and fruits, occasional use of "seitan" which is made from wheat gluten and seasoned depending on what you are making with it.
I had some "chicken"seitan today and made chicken a la king with it and served it over rice. It was vegan.
Yesterday I made a macaroni and tomato sauce dish that had corn and beans added. Again vegan and cheap.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

I can understand that, but in a poor family that's in the Appalachian area, there's really not a lot for them to get in the winter other than deer to help supplement, right?

I'm just saying that Princess took a lot of heat for saying her family couldn't have "done" vegetarian back in the day, but it seems to me like that really could be a problem. Even more so for back in the day than for today.

In some cases, it's just not as easy as some are thinking to be vegetarian. Not and stay healthy anyway.

Thanks Cornie.

 

[npmommie]

I can understand that, but in a poor family that's in the Appalachian area, there's really not a lot for them to get in the winter other than deer to help supplement, right?

I'm just saying that Princess took a lot of heat for saying her family couldn't have "done" vegetarian back in the day, but it seems to me like that really could be a problem. Even more so for back in the day than for today.

In some cases, it's just not as easy as some are thinking to be vegetarian. Not and stay healthy anyway.

Thanks Cornie.

I am the one you are referring to I take it?
It is easy to be vegetarian, being vegan is a whole different ball game if we are talking Appalachia
Vegetarian is easy and cheap for anyone anywhere.

 

[cornflake]

I can understand that, but in a poor family that's in the Appalachian area, there's really not a lot for them to get in the winter other than deer to help supplement, right?

I'm just saying that Princess took a lot of heat for saying her family couldn't have "done" vegetarian back in the day, but it seems to me like that really could be a problem. Even more so for back in the day than for today.

In some cases, it's just not as easy as some are thinking to be vegetarian. Not and stay healthy anyway.

Thanks Cornie.

I don't know any particular family's deal but... potatoes, winter squash (which are sold in most every market I've seen everyplace and are cheap and very nutritious), beans, rice, peanut butter, leafy greens (the reason collard greens, turnip greens, etc., are a southern staple is because they're cheap and easy to grow), other root veg like carrots, turnips, etc., are very cheap, store well, grow easily, and provide complete nutrition.

Truly, it is very easy and cheap to be a vegetarian.

 

[CathrynRose]

I think it's horrifying.

Here's a video of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k6P...DvjVQa1PpcFMboo9Kx9EtcaomhbSnI6jUS6Tq61gNPgs=

Anyone who can defend this, makes my stomach turn. It's shot over and over and over and over and over.....

And they high-five and congratulate each other. Whatever.

Disgusting.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

I think it's horrifying.

Here's a video of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k6P...DvjVQa1PpcFMboo9Kx9EtcaomhbSnI6jUS6Tq61gNPgs=

Anyone who can defend this, makes my stomach turn. It's shot over and over and over and over and over.....

And they high-five and congratulate each other. Whatever.

Disgusting.

This isn't the video of the Trump brothers hunting. It's of some guy named Ron.

 

[ccgirl]

This isn't the video of the Trump brothers hunting. It's of some guy named Ron.

When I was watching it, I didn't think that looked like him. Thanks for the correction.