Donald Trump's sons are morons

[marie1203]

I am with you OP. Their behavior is disgusting .

 

[princessmom29]

You don't know what you are talking about. Sorry but no specialty items are needed to follow a vegetarian diet. Even when kids are involved. I shop at a regular grocery store, I buy nothing special. My kids are healthy.

actualy, i havea pretty good idea a i have a vegiterian in the family. simply put, it oat a lot more to feed her than the rest of us. by specialty items I meant things we would not have normally bought, Luke tofu or veggie burgers ect. all of the sources of vegetarian protein I am familiar with cost much more than it cost us to harvest deer. I am sorry, but my parents just would not have had the funds to get us enough protein without the harvested meat. it think a lot of people simply do not realize what that means.
what is your primary source of protein, and how expensive is it per pound? think about what that would mean to a family of 4 living well below poverty.

 

[cornflake]

Obviosly, I would have a different opinion if they killed people like Ted Bundy. That is illegal. I believe what they did was legal. You've never heard a story that doesn't involve eye rolling behavior because that is what gets the most attention in the media. Not the great amount of money they give to charity. What about all of the other US citizens on that safari. Why don't we hear about them? Because, the media like to give out lots of info about rich people. Again, just my opinion.

Sure we hear about the other people who've done that, if they're public figures - and everyone who goes on expeditions to shoot elephants for amusement's sake is rich - witness the GoDaddy moron.

As for the Trumps, I wasn't talking about stories in the media. I mean stories I've heard, personally. They're just total tools, the lot.

So it's the legality? You'd be ok with cannibalism were it legal?

 

[cornflake]

actualy, i havea pretty good idea a i have a vegiterian in the family. simply put, it oat a lot more to feed her than the rest of us. by specialty items I meant things we would not have normally bought, Luke tofu or veggie burgers ect. all of the sources of vegetarian protein I am familiar with cost much more than it cost us to harvest deer. I am sorry, but my parents just would not have had the funds to get us enough protein without the harvested meat. it think a lot of people simply do not realize what that means.
what is your primary source of protein, and how expensive is it per pound? think about what that would mean to a family of 4 living well below poverty.

No one needs tofu or veggie burgers or, as she said, any other specialty products. That stuff is gross, imo.

If you're worried about protein, beans are pretty dang cheap per pound.

However, most Americans eat FAR more protein than they need, far more and many seem to think people need much more than they do. There's protein in most foodstuffs, including lots in beans, lentils, nuts, leafy vegetables, etc. That's not even discussing the protein in dairy or cheese.

It's much cheaper to be a vegetarian than a meat eater. No specialty products or processed crap like those fake meat things (veggie burgers, etc.) required.

 

[joviroxx]

Sure we hear about the other people who've done that, if they're public figures - and everyone who goes on expeditions to shoot elephants for amusement's sake is rich - witness the GoDaddy moron.

Really, if you are going to make such sweeping comments, you should know what you are talking about. Plenty of people go on these expeditions and not all of them "rich".

As for the Trumps, I wasn't talking about stories in the media. I mean stories I've heard, personally. They're just total tools, the lot.

Stories from the media or from 3rd parties, what's the difference? Glad you know them so well to call them tools..
So it's the legality? You'd be ok with cannibalism were it legal?

This thread is just getting more and more ridiculous. I have to laugh at some of the "outrage" and "judgement" going on here. Most coming from posters who claim in other threads that we shouldn't be judging other people. That as long as things don't affect them, who are they to judge or tell people what to do, especially when they are doing it with their own money and being perfectly legal. The hypocrisy is rather comical.

By the way, my husband hunts for food and for fun. Why, we have Deer antlers on our garage wall. Oh, and we have pics too! And lets not forget the big pic I have of the Blue Marlin I caught! Anyone want to address the word moron and disgusting to me?

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

As in only a moron would get pleasure out the disgusting practice of trophy hunting? or something else? I'm not really sure what you are looking for here, but I can use all those words in the same sentence if that's what you wanted.

Are you asking to "fight" the people that believe trophy hunting is a waste of animals? Really?

I may have missed a post somewhere, but it appears to me that the people advocating the trophy hunt have a more belligerant and aggressive attitude of the two sides here.


BTW, Marlins are close to being put on the endangered species list, along with species of tuna, due to over fishing. But if it's fun to kill, what the heck right? It's not like we are the dominant species here and we should feel some kind of concern or responsibility for any of these animals. When your time is up, it's up. If they can't hold on against us, it's just survivial of the fittest. (gag)

Just because something is legal doesn't make it the right thing to do.

And, at $50,000.00+ and up for Safari Hunts, I'm pretty sure most, if not all, people taking that vacation are rich.

 

[joviroxx]

As in only a moron would get pleasure out the disgusting practice of trophy hunting? or something else? I'm not really sure what you are looking for here, but I can use all those words in the same sentence if that's what you wanted.

Nope, I guess, in many eyes here, DH and I are morons and disgusting..

Are you asking to "fight" the people that believe trophy hunting is a waste of animals? Really?

Start a fight? Where would you get that?

I may have missed a post somewhere, but it appears to me that the people advocating the trophy hunt have a more belligerant and aggressive attitude of the two sides here.

Right cause the advocators are the ones calling people tools, morons and disgusting....again

BTW, Marlins are close to being put on the endangered species list, along with species of tuna, due to over fishing. But if it's fun to kill, what the heck right? It's not like we are the dominant species here and we should feel some kind of concern or responsibility for any of these animals. When your time is up, it's up. If they can't hold on against us, it's just survivial of the fittest. (gag)

You're really good with they hyperbole

Just because something is legal doesn't make it the right thing to do.

But it doesn't make it wrong either...

And, at $50,000.00+ and up for Safari Hunts, I'm pretty sure most, if not all, people taking that vacation are rich.

I bet I can think of a few people who haven't spent that much on a few trips to Disney, wouldn't call them necessarily rich either.

Listen, my point is not to argue the merits/non merits of hunting. I just find a lot of hypocrisy about judgements on this thread. That is all.....

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

Okay.

I'm pretty sure you meant "have spent" not haven't, you could be right, but it wouldn't be me! I have a more budgety type of income.

 

[tasha99]

If the meat is eaten, how is it trophy hunting? Are people suggesting that people who go out caribou or moose hunting aren't enjoying the hunt?

You don't have to be Trump-rich to do these hunts. I have a friend who does them, I think for cape buffalo.

As for no one eating carnivores? Who says? We eat bear. Okay, they're omnivores, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that most bears are hunted for 1. the love of the hunt, 2. the pelt and finally 3. the meat, which people eat so that they can have the hunt and the pelt.

And the whole "this was a guided hunt so it must have been so easy" comments are ridiculous. Not a one of us was there to see what happened.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

I didn't say "no one" I believe I said "most people would eat an herbivore before a carnivore", there's no accounting for taste.

 

[princessmom29]

No one needs tofu or veggie burgers or, as she said, any other specialty products. That stuff is gross, imo.

If you're worried about protein, beans are pretty dang cheap per pound.

However, most Americans eat FAR more protein than they need, far more and many seem to think people need much more than they do. There's protein in most foodstuffs, including lots in beans, lentils, nuts, leafy vegetables, etc. That's not even discussing the protein in dairy or cheese.

It's much cheaper to be a vegetarian than a meat eater. No specialty products or processed crap like those fake meat things (veggie burgers, etc.) required.

Growing children, especially those under 5, have different nutritional needs than adults, and beans are an incomplete source of protien for them. There is no way one could eat enough leafy vegatables to satisfy their protien needs, and unless we grew turnips, there were none in our house. Plant based protiens are fine for adults, but are laking a couple of amino acids that children need for healthy growth. Those are hard to get if you are not eating meat or dairy. There is a very limitied range of foods that contain them outside of meat, cheese, and milk. Cheese or milk in our house was a treat and hardly a regular occurance when I was growing up. Most poeple who have young children who are on a completley vegan diet have to supplement these amino acids. If we didn't have the deer we were eating, we certainly would not have been getting enough store bought meat, cheese, and milk to get an adequate supply of these. Those things were very rare in our house during what I call "the lean years".

 

[npmommie]

Growing children, especially those under 5, have different nutritional needs than adults, and beans are an incomplete source of protien for them. There is no way one could eat enough leafy vegatables to satisfy their protien needs, and unless we grew turnips, there were none in our house. Plant based protiens are fine for adults, but are laking a couple of amino acids that children need for healthy growth. Those are hard to get if you are not eating meat or dairy. There is a very limitied range of foods that contain them outside of meat, cheese, and milk. Cheese or milk in our house was a treat and hardly a regular occurance when I was growing up. Most poeple who have young children who are on a completley vegan diet have to supplement these amino acids. If we didn't have the deer we were eating, we certainly would not have been getting enough store bought meat, cheese, and milk to get an adequate supply of these. Those things were very rare in our house during what I call "the lean years".

I suggest with all due respect you do your homework.
I am pretty certain I understand nutrition and growing children
My kids are growing just fine, pretty close to vegan, aside from the occasional pizza party or birthday cake.
I suspect the other hundreds of thousands of vegans and their kids could tell you the same.
Maybe it didn't or couldn't work in your family but that does not change the fact that no one needs meat to survive.

 

[princessmom29]

I suggest with all due respect you do your homework.
I am pretty certain I understand nutrition and growing children
My kids are growing just fine, pretty close to vegan, aside from the occasional pizza party or birthday cake.
I suspect the other hundreds of thousands of vegans and their kids could tell you the same.
Maybe it didn't or couldn't work in your family but that does not change the fact that no one needs meat to survive.

Believe what you want. I have a biochemistry degree and beleive me I have seen the studies. Plant protien sources are seriously lacking in several amino acids. Thier protien structure is different from what is present in meat, and does not provide a complete spectrum of amino acids needed for human growth and development. Humans are gentically engineered to eat meat. We are carnivores and predators plain and simple no matter how much some might wish it otherwise, it is in our genetic code. It is how we went from primates to what we are today.
I know this is wikkipedia, but it is the best explination of what I am saying I have seen for laymen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_protein

Most plant protiens are incomplete and have to be consumed in very specific combinations to provide all essential amino acids. Many are found in tiny quantities in plants. You have to work VERY hard to maintain all of these amino acid levels from plant sources, especially in infants and young children. A little meat or dairy in your diet solves the problem completely. Most families living at or below poverty level just cannot afford the items necessary to maintian the amino acid balance without meat or dairy in the diet. It takes a lot more bulk of raw plant food to maintain adequate protien levels. That costs money.

 

[npmommie]

I don't have the time nor inclination to help you understand, and I am not going to play the "look what degree I have game"
But again, you are wrong starting with the statement that we are carnivores, humans are not carnivores.
And again I politely suggest you read some current research. It's not hard to find.

 

[princessmom29]

I don't have the time nor inclination to help you understand, and I am not going to play the "look what degree I have game"
But again, you are wrong starting with the statement that we are carnivores, humans are not carnivores.
And again I politely suggest you read some current research. It's not hard to find.

You can find research to support virturally any theory. VALID research is another story. There is lots of what pretends to be scientific research to support lots of crazy theories out there. That doesn't make them any more valid.

 

[Hannathy]

Humans are Omnivores!!!

We are programmed to eat both meat and vegetable, but not exclusively either one.


It is very difficult for a human to get all the needed nutrition from doing either one exclusively, and even more so for young children who are growing and developing.

 

[npmommie]

You can find research to support virturally any theory. VALID research is another story. There is lots of what pretends to be scientific research to support lots of crazy theories out there. That doesn't make them any more valid.

LOL
Trust me I know how to find and use valid research studies.

 

[princessmom29]

LOL
Trust me I know how to find and use valid research studies.

Apparently, you have a different idea of what constitutes valid in this case than I do.

 

[princessmom29]

Humans are Omnivores!!!

We are programmed to eat both meat and vegetable, but not exclusively either one.


It is very difficult for a human to get all the needed nutrition from doing either one exclusively, and even more so for young children who are growing and developing.

You are correct, omnivore would have been a better term!

 

[npmommie]

Apparently, you have a different idea of what constitutes valid in this case than I do.

and you know what I read how??

I find it funny that you do not read current findings on the complete protein argument, and you are trying to insist you are correct.
Just to help a little,
all foods contain some protein, yes animal foods contain the 9 essential ones, but so does Quinoa and soy. and the suggestion of precise combos of foods eaten at the same time to make the vegan diet complete is so old, probably more than 30 years old.
current research will tell you they don't have to be eaten at the same meal. If one eats a varied diet, you will get the proper amount of essential amino acids.
americans eat far too much protein. period.

so you can try to tell me I am wrong, but really I am correct and I hate to see misinformation out there, because it may sway someone who is thinking of going plant based from doing so thinking it may be too complicated.

it is not. I had peanut butter on whole grain toast this morning. ta da, a complete protein!