Does anyone think that maybe Michael Jackson was murdered?

[luvsJack]

Yes, I think he was murdered by a doctor who wasn't mentioned in his will...and therefore had NOTHING to gain and everything to lose...nevermind that MJ was a severe drug addict with a million emotional and psychological problems and a history of prescription abuse...it's much more likely that he was killed in cold blood by a crazed madman!!!

Sorry for the sarcasm, but I just don't understand what our society has come to when we have 24/7 coverage of a tragic death for WEEKS and then people have to start speculating about it being murder when there is just no evidence pointing to that AT ALL.

You are right the coverage is getting a bit much. Even as a fan, I am getting a bit tired of it. I think seeing his shrouded (I guess thats the word to use, it looked wrapped in something?) body being moved was a bit more than we should have been shown and am afraid that we will see and know much more than we need before it is over.

As for the rest of your post, I don't think anyone was saying that the dr. planned a murder to gain anything from a will. I believe it would be more along the lines of negligent homicide or manslaughter (like someone else mentioned). But a dr. has certain rules they are supposed to follow when treating someone and this dr. did not follow those rules. MJ had all those problems you mention, and the dr. should have seen them and helped him not continue to supply him with the drugs he craved.


Mystery Machine: I think you are right. I think she saw him following much of the same path as her father and thought she could help. How sad for both of them.

 

[luvsJack]

I do too.
And some that should feel responsible for his lfe.
I cant get over his dad Would you EVER tell your child they were UGLY?

Your are so right. His father is the person who is most responsible for what happened to Micheal. It makes me sick to see him being interviewed or sympathy being expressed to him in any way. He is a monster and I find it horrifying that he could possibly have any claim on Micheal's children.



Belle0101: I am so sorry you had to grow up listening to those things. I hope that you are able to see past your mother's abusive behavior to know that you are a beautiful and worthy person.

 

[redrosesix]

You are right the coverage is getting a bit much. Even as a fan, I am getting a bit tired of it. I think seeing his shrouded (I guess thats the word to use, it looked wrapped in something?) body being moved was a bit more than we should have been shown and am afraid that we will see and know much more than we need before it is over.

As for the rest of your post, I don't think anyone was saying that the dr. planned a murder to gain anything from a will. I believe it would be more along the lines of negligent homicide or manslaughter (like someone else mentioned). But a dr. has certain rules they are supposed to follow when treating someone and this dr. did not follow those rules. MJ had all those problems you mention, and the dr. should have seen them and helped him not continue to supply him with the drugs he craved.

ITA!

Fortunately, I'll be at our trailer for most of the summer and we don't have a TV -- I'll only be seeing what I choose to see. On the couple of days that I have been at home, I couldn't get over the non-stop coverage. Maybe some of this will settle down after the memorial (which, JMHO, seems too big for a pop star -- not like he was JFK or Mother Theresa -- I heard Jermaine Jackson said they're planning subsequent memorials all over the world?)

JMHO, but I think we'll find out that his Dr. screwed up on the dosage or something, or that repeated use of the drug contributed to deterioration of his heart and organs. There's a reason why we hold doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc. to a higher standard: we have to trust them to do what's best for our health. So I don't think there's any way his personal physician is going to get off -- especially with the assumption that he was bringing the drugs in illegally from outside the US (which is why the DEA is involved)

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Here we go...

Source: Jackson family aware probe could be criminal case

Story Highlights
"The family is aware of a potential criminal prosecution," source tells CNN

Police await coroner's report to decide whether to proceed with investigation

Detectives have spoken to doctors who treated Jackson over the years

Some doctors were issued subpoenas, second source tells CNN

From Alan Duke
CNN

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The Jackson family knows that the probe into singer Michael Jackson's death could turn into a criminal case, a source close to the family told CNN Thursday.

"The family is aware of a potential criminal prosecution," the source, who did not want to be identified, said.

The comments came on the same day that Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton said detectives were awaiting the coroner's report to decide whether to proceed with the investigation as a homicide or an accidental overdose.

Bratton said detectives have spoken to a number of doctors who have treated Jackson over the years and are looking into the singer's prescription drug history.

"We are still awaiting corroboration from the coroner's office as to cause of death. That is going to be very dependent on the toxicology reports that are due to come back," Bratton told CNN. "And based on those, we will have an idea of what it is we are dealing [with]: are we dealing with a homicide or are we dealing with accidental overdose?"

Doctors who did not cooperate with investigators were issued subpoenas, another source told CNN Thursday. If needed, authorities will issue more, the source said.

Bratton also said investigators are being assisted by agents from the Drug Enforcement Administration and the state attorney general's office on a case that he called "a comprehensive set of inquiries."

"At the time of the death with search warrants, we were able to seize a number of items from the residence where the death occurred and those will assist in the investigation," he said.

Bratton did not elaborate on what police found.

A source involved with the investigation told CNN earlier investigators found numerous bottles of prescription drugs in the singer's $100,000-a-month rented mansion in Holmby Hills. The Associated Press and The Los Angeles Times, citing unnamed sources, said police also found the powerful sedative Diprivan.

"We've got very good investigators. They will be prepared to deal with whatever the coroner's findings may be," Bratton said.

"He has his role and responsibility; we have our role and responsibility. The next move, really, is his."

http://www.printthis.clickability.c...on/index.html?iref=hpmostpop&partnerID=212106

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Additonally,

30 Minute Delay in Calling 911 for Jackson
Posted Jun 29th 2009 6:37PM by TMZ Staff

It took Michael Jackson's doctor a half-hour to call 911after finding MJ unconscious -- this according to the doc's lawyer, Edward Chernoff.

Chernoff explained this bizarre revelation by saying Dr. Conrad Murray didn't immediately make the call from his cell phone because he didn't know the exact address of Michael's mansion. For the record, the house is just above Sunset Blvd. in Beverly Hills -- one of the most famous streets in the country.

Chernoff said Murray eventually got someone in the house to make the call.

Murray has already taken heat for performing CPR on Jackson as he was lying on a bed. Chernoff's excuse ... it was a "firm bed

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/29/jacksons-doc-didnt-call-911-for-30-minutes/

American Heart Association CPR Guidelines

In general, the rescue sequence performed by the healthcare provider is similar to that recommended for the lay rescuer, with the following differences:

If the lone healthcare provider witnesses the sudden collapse of a victim of any age, after verifying that the victim is unresponsive the provider should first phone 911 and get an AED if available, then begin CPR and use the AED as appropriate. Sudden collapse is more likely to be caused by an arrhythmia that may require shock delivery.

If the lone healthcare provider is rescuing an unresponsive victim with a likely asphyxial cause of arrest (eg, drowning), the rescuer should provide 5 cycles (about 2 minutes) of CPR (30 compressions and 2 ventilations) before leaving the victim to phone the emergency response number.

As noted above, the healthcare provider will perform some skills and steps that are not taught to the lay rescuer.

http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/112/24_suppl/IV-12

He should have called 911 at most, 2 minutes after he found Michael unresponsive if he was alone. (There were apparently others in the house at the time, though; most people would have yelled for help and had them call right away.) It only took the ambulance 3 minutes to get to the house once 911 was called, so if they were called appropriately, they would have been on the scene within 5 minutes after he was found, not 33 minutes. I read a report over the weekend that said the ambulance personnel who arrived on the scene felt MJ was already gone, but the doctor insisted they continue resuscitation efforts.

 

[MsDisney23]

MJ Father, Joe Jackson will make an announcement this morning on Good Morning America, that he and The Jackson Family believe that Michael was murdered.

 

[redrosesix]

I'm still trying to fathom why on earth the Dr. was performing CPR while MJ was on the bed -- he may as well have not bothered.

Unfortunately, I think this is what happened: the doctor gave him Diprivan without having oxygen, heart and respiratory monitors, crash cart and nurses. Something went wrong and he couldn't revive him because he didn't have the expertise or equipment and didn't know about it until it was too late. If this is the case, it is likely his death could have been prevented.

FWIW, if this is the case, this might in the long run save a lot of lives. There are many, many doctors out there using drugs like this in their offices, especially for cosmetic procedures. And as a result, people die every day -- we don't hear about them because they're not famous and usually malpractice insurance settlements require the victims family to be quiet about it.

So the next time a patient is offered a cheap lipo in a doctor's office, using Diprivan as an anaesthetic, they might just refuse -- go and pay more to have the procedure done in a hospital.

BTW, my DH reminded me that he was given this drug a few years ago when having a colonoscopy -- a second procedure was required but his Dr. said it would be safer to wait at least 2 weeks before having the drug again. So...it may be the case with MJ that this unqualified Dr. had administered the drug too often, increasing the risks of problems which always exist when we are given anaesthetics.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Unfortunately, I think this is what happened: the doctor gave him Diprivan without having oxygen, heart and respiratory monitors, crash cart and nurses. Something went wrong and he couldn't revive him because he didn't have the expertise or equipment and didn't know about it until it was too late. If this is the case, it is likely his death could have been prevented.

The doctor is a cardiologist, he had the expertise to know that MJ needed aggressive resuscitation efforts; far more than he could possibly provide by himself in a private home.

The likely scenario is that he knew he (or someone/the situation) was going to be "found out", so he hoped he could handle it himself, and in the process, waited far too long to call for paramedics who had the proper equipment to resusciate and transport Michael to the hospital, which is really what Michael deserved to have done.

Many of us who work in hospitals (and on ambulances) are used to resuscitating people, as I'm sure was this doc (as it takes many years of training to become a cardiologist). When we encounter a situation outside of the hospital, our first thought is to get help, because in hospitals we're used to having every resource available to us that we need, but out in the field, we have nothing but our knowledge and skill, yet know far more is needed. You need a team of people and specialized equipment like oxygen, a cardiac monitor/defibrillator (to see what the heart rythm is and shock, if necessary), intubation equipment, emergency medicines, etc. I read that he tried lidocaine but it wasn't sufficient (and one could argue, even warranted).

FWIW, if this is the case, this might in the long run save a lot of lives. There are many, many doctors out there using drugs like this in their offices, especially for cosmetic procedures. And as a result, people die every day -- we don't hear about them because they're not famous and usually malpractice insurance settlements require the victims family to be quiet about it.

So the next time a patient is offered a cheap lipo in a doctor's office, using Diprivan as an anaesthetic, they might just refuse -- go and pay more to have the procedure done in a hospital.

I hear your point. But an outpatient surgeon's office is actually an accepted place to be given diprovan for procedures. I personally would want to be sure it was a "good" place with an anesthesiologist administering it, ACLS trained people and equipment on hand, and an excellent hospital nearby. In fact, I've had it twice myself under these conditions, and once in a hospital.

BTW, my DH reminded me that he was given this drug a few years ago when having a colonoscopy -- a second procedure was required but his Dr. said it would be safer to wait at least 2 weeks before having the drug again. So...it may be the case with MJ that this unqualified Dr. had administered the drug too often, increasing the risks of problems which always exist when we are given anaesthetics.

If what we read is true, he was getting a lot of it on a regular basis. He was also taking a whole host of other drugs.

What a mess.

 

[teacups]

Did Joe make that announcement this morning?

 

[redrosesix]

The doctor is a cardiologist, he had the expertise to know that MJ needed aggressive resuscitation efforts; far more than he could possibly provide by himself in a private home.

The likely scenario is that he knew he (or someone/the situation) was going to be "found out", so he hoped he could handle it himself, and in the process, waited far too long to call for paramedics who had the proper equipment to resusciate and transport Michael to the hospital, which is really what Michael deserved to have done.

Many of us who work in hospitals (and on ambulances) are used to resuscitating people, as I'm sure was this doc (as it takes many years of training to become a cardiologist). When we encounter a situation outside of the hospital, our first thought is to get help, because in hospitals we're used to having every resource available to us that we need, but out in the field, we have nothing but our knowledge and skill, yet know far more is needed. You need a team of people and specialized equipment like oxygen, a cardiac monitor/defibrillator (to see what the heart rythm is and shock, if necessary), intubation equipment, emergency medicines, etc. I read that he tried lidocaine but it wasn't sufficient (and one could argue, even warranted).


I hear your point. But an outpatient surgeon's office is actually an accepted place to be given diprovan for procedures. I personally would want to be sure it was a "good" place with an anesthesiologist administering it, ACLS trained people and equipment on hand, and an excellent hospital nearby. In fact, I've had it twice myself under these conditions, and once in a hospital.


If what we read is true, he was getting a lot of it on a regular basis. He was also taking a whole host of other drugs.

What a mess.

Should point out, I live in Canada -- in most provinces, there is no such thing as an outpatient surgeon's office -- I was speaking about doctor's offices in general.

Your spin on the scenario could well be correct -- if it is, it's an even more tragic scenario.

FTR, let's agree on one thing for sure -- CPR is not to be performed on a bed without a back board under the patient.

 

[teacups]

LaToya came out today and said she thinks he was murdered.
Everyone who replied on that page thought that was nuts, and well, yes probably. (I dont know the history of her being insane, but seems like everyone else does.) But really, who knows??? It happens everyday for a lot less money. People kill each other over $10,000 life insurance policies! At least that would explain why the doctor waited 30 minutes to call for help, and why he did CPR on a bed, two MAJOR goof ball things to do.

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=420567&GT1=28102

 

[redrosesix]

LaToya came out today and said she thinks he was murdered.
Everyone who replied on that page thought that was nuts, and well, yes probably. (I dont know the history of her being insane, but seems like everyone else does.) But really, who knows??? It happens everyday for a lot less money. People kill each other over $10,000 life insurance policies! At least that would explain why the doctor waited 30 minutes to call for help, and why he did CPR on a bed, two MAJOR goof ball things to do.

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=420567&GT1=28102

I don't know about this. But then again, I never know what to think of Latoya. She corroborated MJ's claims that their dad beat them, yet she publicly accused MJ of abusing kids. Funny how the article didn't mention another fact that came up when I googled her -- she's releasing a new single at the end of this month.

Still, the money issue is plausible -- I'm not sure his new tour and next CD would have made any more money than the last if he had lived. Now, everything he ever recorded is popular and I'm sure the cash is just rolling in.

 

[proud247]

Even though MJ was a grown man and had his share of controversie , and of course with all the plastic surgrery its normal to have a lot of anesthesia in his system but to have it in your system when you are not going under the knife is awful. any good physician should know how dangerous it is to put a human under when he is not going to have a medical procedure done it should never been administer to any human. I don't care if he begged had a tantrum or even offer to pay it's wrong and the physician who administered it should be hold accountable for it. I can't imagine wanting to feel dead even if you can't sleep, there are other suitable sleeping aides to give a person. Yes he was murdered maybe not itentional but he was murdered.

 

[ols386]

I don't necessarily think he was murdered....but I suppose it's possible.

I think it's proably more likely a case of negligence on his physician's part.

 

[ginna74]

the same things that could lead to murder have made me think from the begining about assisted suicide... the suposed cpr and such maybe he had had enough and new he couldn't do the shows..It is a possibility along with all the others, they loved him enough and wanted to help him maybe and he was on all those drugs.. ya never know???

 

[momrek06]

I don't necessarily think he was murdered....but I suppose it's possible.

I think it's proably more likely a case of negligence on his physician's part.

Me too...I think his MD, the one whose office in TX they are currently raiding and investigating...Murray(?) had allot to do with Michael's death. I think he is the ONLY ONE that all the media has yet to interview.

the same things that could lead to murder have made me think from the begining about assisted suicide... the suposed cpr and such maybe he had had enough and new he couldn't do the shows..It is a possibility along with all the others, they loved him enough and wanted to help him maybe and he was on all those drugs.. ya never know???

I do not think for one minute MJ wanted to die....not after all we have all seen about his kiddos. There is no way I will ever think MJ would ever want to leave those children, ever.

 

[teacups]

I dont think it was suicide. Nobody knows that for sure I suppose, and I hope he didnt want to leave those gorgeous kids, but I have to think that if he did want to do that he would have made better arrangements for them. His will was from so long ago that now his mom is so elderly.

I still wonder about that doctor and those concert promoters. So many poeple say "oh nobody would do that" but I have to think for enough money there are lots of people who are parasitic scumbags. I'm not pointing any fingers though. I only what the media tells me.


RIPSP

 

[rie'smom]

Even though MJ was a grown man and had his share of controversie , and of course with all the plastic surgrery its normal to have a lot of anesthesia in his system but to have it in your system when you are not going under the knife is awful. any good physician should know how dangerous it is to put a human under when he is not going to have a medical procedure done it should never been administer to any human. I don't care if he begged had a tantrum or even offer to pay it's wrong and the physician who administered it should be hold accountable for it. I can't imagine wanting to feel dead even if you can't sleep, there are other suitable sleeping aides to give a person. Yes he was murdered maybe not itentional but he was murdered.

Bull- MJ was an addict and he could have gone for treatment but didn't. There's a little thing called personal responsibility. The doctor should not have administered the meds. However, he would not have administered the drug if MJ didn't want it.
If this doctor had not administered the drug, MJ would have found someone else to do it. That's what junkies do.

 

[teacups]

Bull- MJ was an addict and he could have gone for treatment but didn't. There's a little thing called personal responsibility. The doctor should not have administered the meds. However, he would not have administered the drug if MJ didn't want it.
If this doctor had not administered the drug, MJ would have found someone else to do it. That's what junkies do.

That doctor took an oath. An oath he broke. Since when is it OK for doctors to help junkies on the sly?

 

[rie'smom]

That doctor took an oath. An oath he broke. Since when is it OK for doctors to help junkies on the sly?

It is not ok. Did you miss the part where I posted: "The doctor should not have administered the meds."? Ultimately, Michael Jackson died because he was an addict. He couldn't take the time to get help for his addictions?
Sorry but I've read on the DIS that people suffered from insomnia. They didn't resort to hiring a quack to give them anesthesia. They went to a reputable doctor and got help. There have been a couple of poster over the years who shared getting help for their alcohol problems. These people I admire because they had the guts to admit their problem and try to fix it. A rich, spoiled 50-year-old man with three little ones who cannot be bothered to fix himself even for his children's sakes - there's no excuse.