DAS changes coming WDW May 20/ DL June 18, 2024

[OurBigTrip]

There is no other situation at the park where we would be in touching distance of other people for an hour or more.
Also I've said that this isn't the only issue- muscle fatigue which could cause respiratory crisis etc etc

Fatigue is not (and was never intended to be) addressed by DAS - fatigue issues are best addressed with a mobility device.

 

[DiznyDiva]

And our issues are caused by the line itself so....

Anywhere you walk in the park, the bathroom, even picking up your mobile order or eating at restaurant.. ANYWHERE is a potential issue. Walking through the turnstile, brushing against a chain or rope , siting in a ride .. anyone of them... Your issues do not disappear the moment you out of a ride only line. You have to stand in a line to get into the park.. and even using DAS you are in a line.

Going with child, no matter how much you prepare them to not touch or to stay by your side.. is not realistic in amusement park.. Germs happen. Even a few minutes of contact can pass germsIt is not the time or the place it is the germ itself. Indoor/ out door...same germ. All line are about 15 minutes and there are time you re close no matter what. And many people don't cover their mouths, wash their hands and still travel with colds and flu's.

Muscle fatigue is also happening everywhere in the park because of the rides, how you would have to sit, move, walk whatever. Not a reason for DAS.

This is all pointless because Disney has made their decision. So now you make yours. DAS is not changing right now, so try the accommodations or don't, but arguing on a forum why you need it is not going to work if Disney has denied you

I hope you can find a way to have magic trip with your littles no matter where it is.

 

[dbriggsq]

Transportation
Dining
Parades (including waiting time)
Shows (including waiting time)
Fireworks/exiting the park

Muscle fatigue can be mitigated (in Disney’s eyes) by a mobility device.

I totally understand why you want DAS and why you think that you are entitled to it. I can also see from Disney’s perspective why DAS is not the appropriate accommodation given the needs that have been described above.

Fatigue is not (and was never intended to be) addressed by DAS - fatigue issues are best addressed with a mobility device.

With respect you don't know the particular issues of muscle fatigue which my husband faces

 

[OurBigTrip]

With respect you don't know the particular issues of muscle fatigue which my husband faces

You said muscle fatigue, and for muscle fatigue, a mobility device is Disney’s answer.

 

[dbriggsq]

As an immunocompromised person myself, I understand both sides of the argument. But the best accommodation is RTQ with a spouse (or family member) who takes care of himself/herself so he/she can stand in line and be healthy and NOT pick up germs. And that spouse needs to know to leave a line if they are placed near a sickie and just move on.

The longer you are around a germ, the more likely you will pick it up - this is science. Walking through air 15 minutes after a cough will almost never get you sick. Standing next to the sick cougher and breathing their same air for 45 minutes will. So, you don't do that. You train yourself and family to understand people are people (and wow, we've seen that on both sides of Covid) and just leave.

The other best personal accommodation for an immune-compromised person is to choose the best travel time. You want hot, humid, sunny, and low viral season with low crowds...so August (after FL back-to-school) would be ideal for Disney, even if it's not ideal for a normal traveling person. Always go places when few people want to be there. It's a motto for the immunocompromised.

Exactly this - and this is what we try to do. When our grandchildren are I'll we don't visit or babysit. When I'm I'll I sleep in a separate room. It's all about assessing the risk

 

[DiznyDiva]

With respect you don't know the particular issues of muscle fatigue which my husband faces

With respect, I don't need to. Disney does and then they make the decision. Fatigue is not something they have ever covered. They would have said get a wheelchair .. and then it's a mobility issue.. also NOT ever covered by DAS. Their park, their program. There are other accommodations.

Saying only DAS means nothing anyone say here or there will change your mind and that you now need to decide how to move forward.

Fatigue is everywhere in the park and not something that only happens in RIDE lines. The kind of fatigue is pointless unless it only happens in ride line and is caused by being in a ride line and then goes away one out and the other accomdeation like RTQ won't help, which actually it sound like it would.

 

[dbriggsq]

You said muscle fatigue, and for muscle fatigue, a mobility device is Disney’s answer.

What if it's breathing and swallowing muscles that are affected? Mobility devices do not help that.

 

[theMoreDisneytheBetter]

With respect you don't know the particular issues of muscle fatigue which my husband faces

Of course not. And I don’t doubt that the fact that your husband faces so many challenges has a multiplicative effect here (i.e. 1+1+1 = 8, not 3).

BUT unfortunately you may be too close to the situation to look at it dispassionately. Remember that Disney’s primary goal here is to get as many people out of the LLs as possible and into other accommodations. So Disney hears immunocompromised and thinks “there are germs everywhere/AQR” Disney hears fatigue and thinks “wheelchair.”

We can go around and around in circles but unfortunately you aren’t going to be able to change the system at present. As others have said, perhaps go and try things out, and if they really don’t work (i.e. we entered the line and X, Y, and Z happened. We tried again and A, B, C) then you have concrete evidence that you can point to in your discussions with CMs. Or don’t, and perhaps you will have to enjoy Disney with your littles in another way.

My grandparents hosted a couple of reunions at DL years ago. They couldn’t go on a lot of the rides, but would make announcements like “we will be at Blue Bayou at 6pm, anyone who wants to eat with us show up” and we would be together then. The children/grandchildren would take turns just walking around with them, or seeing a show, or riding something that they could ride on. That way everyone got special time, we had together time, and the cousins also got to bond as well. At their funerals (years later) all of the cousins still talked about how amazing those trips were.

 

[DiznyDiva]

Exactly this - and this is what we try to do. When our grandchildren are I'll we don't visit or babysit. When I'm I'll I sleep in a separate room. It's all about assessing the risk

There is no way to take your grandchildren to a amusement [ark and protect them aqnd you from every germ and person there ... even with DAS.

Plan to get there early and try too do fantasyland as early as possible.. because no matter even with DAS it will be packed and people will be on top of you. Maybe get LL or Try RTQ or rider swap.

 

[marikujawa]

What if it's breathing and swallowing muscles that are affected? Mobility devices do not help that.

What are you trying to accomplish with your posts?

 

[dbriggsq]

With respect, I don't need to. Disney does and then they make the decision. Fatigue is not something they have ever covered. They would have said get a wheelchair .. and then it's a mobility issue.. also NOT ever covered by DAS. Their park, their program. Their are other accommodations.

Saying only DAS means nothing anyone say here or there will change your mind and that you now need to decide how to move forward.

Fatigue is everywhere in the park and not something that only happens in RIDE lines. The kind of fatigue is pointless unless it only happens in ride line and is caused by being in a ride line and then goes away one out and the other accomdeation like RTQ won't help, which actually it sound like it would.

Sorry my comment wasnt directed at you

 

[DiznyDiva]

What if it's breathing and swallowing muscles that are affected? Mobility devices do not help that.

Still everywhere in the park and then what rides can this person safely go if they cant use chair and could stop breathing or or choke in any minute?

It is not about what could happen or what might happen..it is about what DOES happen EVERY time and ONLY in the line. DAS is not the end all be all and was over used and abused. It is now limited to cognitive issues. There are other accommodations that help could and maybe problems in the line.

FYI- many of the little kid rides have wheelchair access at exits to help if you do decide to take the grandkids. That should help.

 

[theMoreDisneytheBetter]

What if it's breathing and swallowing muscles that are affected? Mobility devices do not help that.

An outsider might have a hard time understanding why breathing/swallowing in a wheelchair in line is any different from breathing/swallowing on a bench somewhere else.

 

[dbriggsq]

What are you trying to accomplish with your posts?

I was originally responding to this post

'If there were too many people in the LLs, the only solution is to reduce the number of people allowed there, and Disney was long overdue in doing it.'

Which I didn't think was strictly accurate. But it seems to have turned into people saying I shouldn't be allowed DAS. So probably going to ignore from now on

 

[theMoreDisneytheBetter]

I was originally responding to this post

'If there were too many people in the LLs, the only solution is to reduce the number of people allowed there, and Disney was long overdue in doing it.'

Which I didn't think was strictly accurate. But it seems to have turned into people saying I shouldn't be allowed DAS. So probably going to ignore from now on

What people are saying is not that you shouldn’t be allowed DAS (which is a value judgment) but rather that your husband no longer qualifies under Disney’s new criteria (an objective statement).

 

[dbriggsq]

An outsider might have a hard time understanding why breathing/swallowing in a wheelchair in line is any different from breathing/swallowing on a bench somewhere else.

And that's the problem. And that's why cast members shouldn't be tasked with understanding complex medical issues.

 

[marikujawa]

I was originally responding to this post

'If there were too many people in the LLs, the only solution is to reduce the number of people allowed there, and Disney was long overdue in doing it.'

Which I didn't think was strictly accurate. But it seems to have turned into people saying I shouldn't be allowed DAS. So probably going to ignore from now on

If Disney wants to extend DAS to you, it’s their decision. It seems you’re trying to get people to agree that no accommodation other than DAS will work for you.

Even if that’s true, Disney has a program to administer. It’s likely that they will not be able to accommodate every need due to disability. Need is only one part of the equation.

 

[dbriggsq]

If Disney wants to extend DAS to you, it’s their decision. It seems you’re trying to get people to agree that no accommodation other than DAS will work for you.

Even if that’s true, Disney has a program to administer. It’s likely that they will not be able to accommodate every need due to disability. Need is only one part of the equation.

I have been defensive because of this quote
"accommodation that wasn’t necessary for many, if not the majority, of those who received it'
I don't think this is true and tried to give the example of our case.
But anyway there are bigger problems in the world so....

 

[jennab]

Again it is a case of risk assessment. We can take precautions - only staying in the parks for 3 ish hours- mobile ordering - staying in the open - keeping to the edge of any crowds. The one thing we can't avoid is lines in confined, indoor spaces especially when cast members continually say fill in all the available space. BTW this isn't his only issue but I wont give more of his symptoms - except to say that cast members and even the 'medical professionals ' won't have heard of it.
We've taken our kids to Disney for many years and now we want to enjoy it with our grandchildren - DAS could facilitate that.

You do have the option to purchase LLMP, which would allow you to do all LL lines as well. While it is an additional cost, it is a choice for people who do not want to be in the longer lines (for whatever reason). Heck even though we’ve gotten DAS in the past we also purchase the paid system as I’m willing to pay to have a less stressful trip.

 

[DiznyDiva]

nd that's the problem. And that's why cast members shouldn't be tasked with understanding complex medical issues.

They really aren't. They are saying we have made DAS for only this reason.. everything ELSE does not qualify and these are the other accomdeations we have. DAS is not requires and their own program. They have chooses to limit it to a certain group while still offering other accomdeations for other disabilities.

IF you are saying..without trying......that NONE of those work and only DAS..that is your CHIOCE. Arguing here does not change the reality of the situation.

DAS was abused and too broad for what it was intended. IT is now limited. CM's aren't deciding complex issues, they are letting medical professionals look it over and decide based on what Disne set its guidelines to be. Argueing doesn't change it. So it's now up to person decisions on what you think you can realistically handle.

We get LL and DAS together because sometimes with Kiddo.. all plans get thrown out of the window and we have to pivot. We do extensive planning every day of every vacation..it's exhausting.. but worth it... and never rely just on Disney's wait times. There are so many place to regroup and spend time together that have nothing to do with DAS in the Disney resorts...