Bereavement...am I thinking unreasonably?

people do it, and the idea of asking for an obit or one of those funeral home programs or cards is intended to discourage abuse of leave policies. .

Yup - we have a policy in place that states that we reserve the right to request a copy of the death certificate prior to paying for the bereavement leave.

People abuse the bereavement policy ALL THE TIME! We have a guy that needed 3 days off (paid with our Bereavement leave policy) right before Christmas as his sister died - very unexpected - left 3 kids and her husband yadda yadda yadda. Amazingly enough a short time later she applied for a job with us and was hired.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
 
I am sorry for your family's loss, OP.

I guess I don't see it as being that unreasonable. Your DH took the job with the knowledge that there was no bereavement leave. It sounds like he is allowed to use paid time off or personal days to attend the funeral, so there really isn't an issue. Maybe the company thought their vacation time policy was generous enough to accomodate most people's bereavement needs.

I also don't think it is too much to ask that an employee who is granted bereavement leave to produce some documentation. I am sure the benefit is abused quite often. In 2005, I lost my two remaining grandparents within a week of one another (my mom's dad and my dad's mom). I had to travel to MN twice in a very short time period. I would not blame my employer at all if they wanted documentation - it looked too bad to be true.

We have a bereavement leave policy here. I can tell you that if my child or DH died, I would take more time off than the bereavement policy allows. I would use personal time, and possibly a leave of absence if I had to. My company is not making a statement or judgment as to how awful it would be to me to lose someone by the number of paid days off it gives me. That is a personal thing. But business is business. If the place cannot run without someone in my position, they have no choice but to let me go and find someone else to do my job. I wouldn't blame them one bit.

Now, I will agree that managerial discretion can sometimes be problematic, but only when it is used in an unequal or discriminatory manner. That is part of the reason companies feel the need to place artifical limits to bereavement time, or to not give it at all, to make sure they don't get in trouble for treating employees differently.

Denae
 
Here's a quick question:

Why is the wife handling the HR person for her DH's company?

My DH would tell me that he would handle it--and he would.

When my husband's dad was given 24-48 hours to live (unexpected) I was the one to call his manager and let him know. Honestly, at that point, we'd just had a major bomb dropped on us, the last thing he needed to do was to have to call everyone and explain it. It made life easier for DH and since I love him I was happy to do that one little thing for him. I guess I don't see what the problem is.

I am sorry for your family's loss, OP.

I guess I don't see it as being that unreasonable. Your DH took the job with the knowledge that there was no bereavement leave. It sounds like he is allowed to use paid time off or personal days to attend the funeral, so there really isn't an issue.


The way I read the original was that they were planning to write him up if he took more than one day- paid or otherwise. What happens if someone has to travel or whatever??



I do agree that the system gets abused and that sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction too- been there, done that. October of 1999 I was working at Old Navy and attending college. First week my uncle dies of a brain tumor. Second week my great grandfather died. The next week my favorite Uncle died, also cancer. I took time off to be with him at the hospital and get to visit with him and watch him FINALLY marry my aunt after over 18 years together. They had planned a wedding but he wasn't going to make it so they got married in the ICU of the hospital. :sad1: The next week DH's grandfather died and when I called in to work my manager actually said to me "Yeah right, I highly doubt that" and continued to go on harassing me. Now come on, this is a $5/hour part time job and it's not like I'm getting paid time off- I just needed the time off. I went in the next day with copies of all the obituaries, funeral cards, etc.... and handed them to the jerk and said "F you, I quit" Only time I've ever outright QUIT a job, but do not take a horrible time in my life and rub it in my face.
 
The way I read the original was that they were planning to write him up if he took more than one day- paid or otherwise. What happens if someone has to travel or whatever??

UGH. Thank goodness his vacation time just rolled over. At least he'll be able to take the 2 days off without worrying about losing his job.

The above is from the OP. Maybe she could clarify. The way it sounds to me is that there is no bereavement policy, and the DH wanted to take time off without pay. If he did that and did not use personal time, he would be written up for "time lost." I don't know what the repurcussions of that are, but most companies would want you to use vacation and personal time before they start asking for unpaid time off. And unpaid time off is pretty much universally frowned upon.

Denae
 

Don't be so harsh on the managers. If it is a government contract there are strict rules and they must go by the contract itself. If the company didn't put in the contract bereavement leave then they can't legally pay for it without risk of losing the contract. And if he's forced to use his vacation time in a certain way, that's probably also listed in the contract that way and must be adhered too. This falls on the contracting office, not necessarily the managers.

KAW, sorry to hear about your husband's (and your) loss. :hug:
 
Yes they will write him up.

A coworker of his. ~ his wife just lost a baby 7 months into the pregnancy. His managers response when he gave him the write up: You didn't lose the baby, no reason you couldn't be at work.:mad: :mad:


I HATE his manager ( I used to work for him too...so I KNOW what he's like) but until the economy gets better...he has to stay where he's at.
:sad2:


Oh, and as an update: DH went into work this morning. He'll be home this afternoon. He's using 1 1/2 vacation days for the rest of the week.


Thanks again for the :hug:


Ok that was downright awful way to treat that employee:scared1:
 
Yes they will write him up.

A coworker of his. ~ his wife just lost a baby 7 months into the pregnancy. His managers response when he gave him the write up: You didn't lose the baby, no reason you couldn't be at work.:mad: :mad:
OMG, I am so sorry he works for such a mean-spirited person. (glad you don't have to anymore) That is downright cruel. :(
 
FWIW, I don't think it's unreasonable to want or need time off (unpaid or paid) for bereavement for the deaths of family members (which I would define as immediate family, sister/brother/parents/grandparents). I wouldn't expect time off for a cousin/aunt/uncle.

Aside from acting like a decent human being, I think it's pretty stupid of an employer to refuse to give time off under those circumstances bec not only is the employee not going to be up to speed immediately following a death, the resentment such a policy will generate is counterproductive. I have worked in a place like that and overall the turnover was higher than the industry and the employees found little creative ways to 'get back' at the employer that total a far greater loss than if the employer had just given them a day or two off without pay.

Do I think an obit should be required? Probably. I too have seen unbelievable examples of people lying about deaths.

Do I think that some leeway should be given in the case of an employee not being mentioned in an obit? Absolutely. Experience with obits will inform you that not everyone who needs to attend a funeral is listed in an obit (esp as i the case where my family lives, the paper charges by the word for an obit. Her obit cost us nearly $200.) As an another example, when my dh's grandmother died, we were not yet married, so naturally I was not mentioned in the obit (nor actually, were the spouses of any married child or grandchildren). Was it appropriate for me to be at the funeral? IMO, absolutely. My employer at the time did not see it that way bec my name was not in the obit. All I needed were 2 hours off and I had someone who would cover that portion of my shift for me. Employer refused. I quit. It was a minimum wage food service job -- I'm not going to deal with this for minimum wage. HIS boss called me up and begged me to return bec according to him, I was one of their best employees. I told him the supervisor should have treated me like I was instead of giving me crap over a funeral. The big boss called me several times a week for a month begging me to return. Nope. One lesson I have learned in life is this one -- if someone treats you like crap once, they are just warming up to really screw you over later.

A coworker of his. ~ his wife just lost a baby 7 months into the pregnancy. His managers response when he gave him the write up: You didn't lose the baby, no reason you couldn't be at work.
Back in the day, I know a woman who was a lawyer. Her firm gave them a 2 day maternity leave. She was pressured into having a C-section so that the baby could arrive at the firm's convenience. When she refused, they bascially told her she wasn't a team player.(Which means they were going to find ways to get rid of her, no matter what.) She ended up giving birth Friday night at 9pm after a short labor (it actually started as she was walking to her car after work). At 9:01pm on Sunday night, her boss called her up and started dictating work to her. After all, it was now 48 hours past the birth, so her time was up.
 
Yes they will write him up.

A coworker of his. ~ his wife just lost a baby 7 months into the pregnancy. His managers response when he gave him the write up: You didn't lose the baby, no reason you couldn't be at work.:mad: :mad:


I HATE his manager ( I used to work for him too...so I KNOW what he's like) but until the economy gets better...he has to stay where he's at.
:sad2:


Oh, and as an update: DH went into work this morning. He'll be home this afternoon. He's using 1 1/2 vacation days for the rest of the week.


Thanks again for the :hug:
Kel, I am so sorry! :hug: I am hoping they will not be difficult about BD taking the vacation time, what a pain! I can't imagine that manager, I would HATE that.
 
UGH. Thank goodness his vacation time just rolled over. At least he'll be able to take the 2 days off without worrying about losing his job.

The above is from the OP. Maybe she could clarify. The way it sounds to me is that there is no bereavement policy, and the DH wanted to take time off without pay. If he did that and did not use personal time, he would be written up for "time lost." I don't know what the repurcussions of that are, but most companies would want you to use vacation and personal time before they start asking for unpaid time off. And unpaid time off is pretty much universally frowned upon.

Denae

You're right. There is no bereavement policy...there is no sick/personal time.
Basically they are allowed 2 call offs a year. If they exceed that, they are written up.

DH called out one day last october. So if he was to miss 2 days that would put him at 3 days for the rolling calendar year.

I know the manager can bypass the write up. He's done it for a few select individuals.(very few)
So the contract they have....doesn't REQUIRE them to write up for time missed. It's his discression.



Thank you Becky, I figured making DH deal with the extra crap was just putting more stress on him. And I'm good at dealing with the details.


Oh...and as a side note...MY company sent a floral arrangement.
 
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Yup - we have a policy in place that states that we reserve the right to request a copy of the death certificate prior to paying for the bereavement leave.

People abuse the bereavement policy ALL THE TIME! We have a guy that needed 3 days off (paid with our Bereavement leave policy) right before Christmas as his sister died - very unexpected - left 3 kids and her husband yadda yadda yadda. Amazingly enough a short time later she applied for a job with us and was hired.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


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OMG, what on earth did he say after that?????

ETA: I am seriously cracking up here...just thinking about how that introduction might have gone down!!!

"I'd like you to meet my sister, Linda. She's interested in the secretarial position. You remember me mentioning Linda, don't you? She's the one who died right before Christmas..."

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OMG, what on earth did he say after that?????

ETA: I am seriously cracking up here...just thinking about how that introduction might have gone down!!!

"I'd like you to meet my sister, Linda. She's interested in the secretarial position. You remember me mentioning Linda, don't you? She's the one who died right before Christmas..."

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He didn't know she was applying and she didn't know he worked there as they had not spoken in years. (Might be why he trie dto kill her off) When I was interviewing the sister walking her to the front door afterwards her brother came around the corner and they literally bumped into each other. The were both surprised to see each other. When I asked them how they knew each other she said "He's my brother". I said - ohh "I didn't know he had 2 sisters" she looked at me confused and said "I am his only sister - we don't have any other siblings" I finished up my interview - walked her out - then stopped by his work area and said "She looks pretty damn good considering she died last December" and walked away.....


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He didn't know she was applying and she didn't know he worked there as they had not spoken in years. (Might be why he trie dto kill her off) When I was interviewing the sister walking her to the front door afterwards her brother came around the corner and they literally bumped into each other. The were both surprised to see each other. When I asked them how they knew each other she said "He's my brother". I said - ohh "I didn't know he had 2 sisters" she looked at me confused and said "I am his only sister - we don't have any other siblings" I finished up my interview - walked her out - then stopped by his work area and said "She looks pretty damn good considering she died last December" and walked away.....


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:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: That is too funny!!! Hey it happens on the soaps..
 
He didn't know she was applying and she didn't know he worked there as they had not spoken in years. (Might be why he trie dto kill her off) When I was interviewing the sister walking her to the front door afterwards her brother came around the corner and they literally bumped into each other. The were both surprised to see each other. When I asked them how they knew each other she said "He's my brother". I said - ohh "I didn't know he had 2 sisters" she looked at me confused and said "I am his only sister - we don't have any other siblings" I finished up my interview - walked her out - then stopped by his work area and said "She looks pretty damn good considering she died last December" and walked away.....


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He didn't know she was applying and she didn't know he worked there as they had not spoken in years. (Might be why he trie dto kill her off) When I was interviewing the sister walking her to the front door afterwards her brother came around the corner and they literally bumped into each other. The were both surprised to see each other. When I asked them how they knew each other she said "He's my brother". I said - ohh "I didn't know he had 2 sisters" she looked at me confused and said "I am his only sister - we don't have any other siblings" I finished up my interview - walked her out - then stopped by his work area and said "She looks pretty damn good considering she died last December" and walked away.....


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First, I am sorry you are going through all of this!

However, I don't see anything unreasonable about letting a person use their vacation days. My husband worked with a girl who went to funerals for about 8 grandparents! Her parents were divorced and remarried. Unfortunately, the grandparents passed away, but she took a week every time someone died. They had a liberal policy at the time and she took advantage of it. People who do this ruin it for people who don't take advantage.
 












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