Anyone else think enough is enough... ?

[CarolAnn856]

I wasn't able to read the entire post. Can someone summarize?

Sure. "I'm sicking my head in the sand when it comes to science and the realities of an actual, lethal, pandemic and I just want to wish it all away. I care more about the economy than I do about the real people who are dying. I think that the elderly are expendable, since that's who I think will die the most. I also refuse to read the data showing that it isn't only the elderly who are dying from this. Basically, I have no understanding nor desire to understand of the enormity of this crisis."

 

[AnnieBearJamboree]

I’m a healthcare worker. I am grateful to have a job and to be earning money. I am heartbroken that so many people are struggling financially. But the solution is not to send people back to work prematurely. I am not hiding in fear, but working with the knowledge and wisdom and intelligence that current POSITIVE projections hinge on social distancing measures.

 

[cabanafrau]

OK, I'm coming to the defense of the OP. TO the TLDR crowd, SHAME ON YOU! It was all of 5 paragraphs, not a diatribe. She brings up good points, points that should be listened to. Yes, the prudent thing to do is stay at home, for now - but did you read her post? She brings up some great, common sense solutions that could get hairdressers and barbers back to work. That's just one part of the work force - we'll need LOTS of these kinds of solutions if we are ever to return to normal.

One of my favorite movies is "The Big Short" and I am stunned by the lessons from that movie, based on real events, that are being completely ignored now. From that movie, "If we're right, people lose homes. People lose jobs. People lose retirement savings, people lose pensions. You know what I hate about ###### banking? It reduces people to numbers. Here's a number - every 1% unemployment goes up, 40,000 people die, did you know that?" Do you really think this situation is ANY different???

The time may not be now, but it is coming, and, SHE IS RIGHT, the sooner the better, and we're going to need to be OK with that. I'm OK with social distancing, what I am not OK with is social SHAMING. Just when is enough going to be enough for you, the social shamers? What yardstick will you use?

Perhaps if you read a bit more carefully you might take note of the fact that the OP specifically mentions going against current orders and reopening a hair salon now. There is a mention of taking provisions to keep exposure at a minimum, however at the end of the day nothing removes the risk of asymptomatic carriers by necessity coming into contact with one another in order to conduct the business they're there for.

 

[jrmasm]

OK, I'm coming to the defense of the OP. TO the TLDR crowd, SHAME ON YOU! It was all of 5 paragraphs, not a diatribe. She brings up good points, points that should be listened to. Yes, the prudent thing to do is stay at home, for now - but did you read her post? She brings up some great, common sense solutions that could get hairdressers and barbers back to work. That's just one part of the work force - we'll need LOTS of these kinds of solutions if we are ever to return to normal.

One of my favorite movies is "The Big Short" and I am stunned by the lessons from that movie, based on real events, that are being completely ignored now. From that movie, "If we're right, people lose homes. People lose jobs. People lose retirement savings, people lose pensions. You know what I hate about ###### banking? It reduces people to numbers. Here's a number - every 1% unemployment goes up, 40,000 people die, did you know that?" Do you really think this situation is ANY different???

The time may not be now, but it is coming, and, SHE IS RIGHT, the sooner the better, and we're going to need to be OK with that. I'm OK with social distancing, what I am not OK with is social SHAMING. Just when is enough going to be enough for you, the social shamers? What yardstick will you use?

You start your post with SHAME ON YOU and then call others SHAMERS?

 

[AnnieBearJamboree]

Sorry to post twice, but it’s continually rubbing me the wrong way that people want to ask sick/elderly people to stay home, while they, presumably healthy people, get to go out and live their lives. “Open up businesses so people can get back to work!! Sick people can stay home!”

Sick people need to earn money too. Sick people want to get back to work too. “Sick” can mean an autoimmune disease like Crohn’s - it doesn’t just mean bedridden and elderly. So, you get to go back to work and earn money, while other people struggle with poverty AND fear being infected?

 

[BlondieinFL]

I don't know that I've thoroughly read all posts on here, but based on a some that I've seen, I wanted to just add something for anyone who's interested - I'm in Florida, as of 10:00 this morning we've had over 137,000 people tested, with approx a 10% positive rate (almost 90% who qualify for testing are not positive); we have 14,504 cases and 283 deaths. 84% of the hospitalizations are in those 45+, 6% are for those <34. 92% of the deaths have been in those aged 55+ (83% in 65+). Additionally, my mother lives in south Florida and is recently retired from the hospital system - south Florida is where the majority of the cases are, and those hospitals are not overrun, on the contrary they are laying workers off. So, that's just some info. for anyone who likes info.

 

[Lumpy1106]

Sure. "I'm sicking my head in the sand when it comes to science and the realities of an actual, lethal, pandemic and I just want to wish it all away. I care more about the economy than I do about the real people who are dying. I think that the elderly are expendable, since that's who I think will die the most. I also refuse to read the data showing that it isn't only the elderly who are dying from this. Basically, I have no understanding nor desire to understand of the enormity of this crisis."

OK, so you didn't read it either - got it.
The statistic in the quote I posted about 40,000 people dying when unemployment goes up 1%. That's REAL! Guess what? We are over 1% now. 3.5% before the crisis, 4.4% at last check and that number is going up. It's all well and good for people like Bill Gates to say we will be staying home for over a year (because why would he ever have to leave the house) but that's REALLY unrealistic. There has to be an endpoint and that's going to have to come SOON. Maybe not May 1 as suggested by the OP, but certainly sometime this summer. Otherwise the other economic realities are going to do far more damage than the virus.

 

[cabanafrau]

Michigan hospitals are laying off people too -- while they are indeed overrun with patients, and as at least two large convention centers in the metro Detroit area are being staged as overflow that will likely be needed by the weekend at the rate the numbers are skyrocketing.

 

[Wendy31]

All this flag waving is getting old, and has been for quite some time.

You seem to have a real problem with America & Americans. I also know you have a chronic illness & have legitimate concerns about the virus. Hopefully, the current measures in Canada are helping you feel safer. Thankfully, and I say this sincerely, since you live in Canada, any American flag-waving shouldn’t be an issue for you.

 

[PlainJane]

Maybe the government should get on this ASAP and fix it then. A much more reasonable thing to expect than people risking others’ lives by going back to their pre-COV days prematurely.

Yes.

Really, my post is more about having empathy for people who are scared and what I think is driving that very real fear.

 

[izzy]

First let me say, I completely understand that this is serious.... and in no way am trying to minimize this... and I agree that we need to use all pre-cautions, and stay home if we are sick, and take care of the elderly and people with compromise immune systems... which is something that I would hope that people are doing daily... like washing their hands, constantly... with or without the flu, we will need to change how we go about our daily lives... So Respectfully...

People need to go back to work.... so that they can take care of their families, and kids... put food on the table, pay the light bill, the mortgage, the car and insurance, and cover the basic's... I know most people are getting to the point that they would rather take their chances than loose everything that they have worked for... and the ability to provide

The government and courts systems need to be in active, they are in place to protect us as well... My neighbors cousin, future ex-husband, just kicked in her door, 6 hours after they let him out of jail for Domestic Violence, they only could arrest him for kicking in the door, and being drunk and resisting arrest... the order for protection is sitting on a Judges desk waiting for him to sign it, since mid Feb... until them the order is not valid... so more than likely he will be out in 48 to 72 hours... the poor police officers really can't do anything for her, until the order for protection is sign off on, once its signed off if he violates it then they can keep him in jail... so she is a nurse so she is needed, so she is going to have to go into hiding... couch serf with friends or stay at the hospital... so who is protecting her?... while she is taking care of sick people?

My friends sister in law has a hair salon... and she is either going to go against the order and open back up... or she will loose everything... she has made plans to open back up, On May 1st... whether the order is lifted or not.... she spent money to have a salon deep cleaned, and her DH put up partitions and they will be working 14 feet apart, staggered appointments, and is changing her hours, 6:30 am to 9:00 pm and only allowing 2 stylist to work at a time, no one waiting in the sitting area, by appointment only... mask and gloves for the stylist and for the clients... She has 6 employees... 3 of them are single mothers...the stimulus and unemployment will not make it in time to help them... they must work, need to work to provide for their kids... She worried that people would not want to come back... they are completely booked for the first 2 weeks in May... even though she really did not have it, they gave 100 dollar gift card to wal-mart to their employee's to help them out...

Our good friend is more than like going to loose her cute little boutique that she built from nothing... 14 years of work gone... poof... Everything that she purchased for Spring, Mother's Day, and early Summer is sitting in the back room of her boutique, and she is hoping that she will be able to just get what she paid for it...all of it is paid for, and she can not return it... in the next 3 or 4 weeks she has to pay for late summer and early fall, and some seasonal and holiday items... and if she cancels the order she will not have any enough merchandise going moving into the the second half of the year... plus she worry's if people will have any money to spend...

While we see heartwarming stories on the news, of landlords giving their tenants a break...while that's nice... most folks are not so understanding... why don't they put those stories on the evening news... my DD got a notice from the apartment complex that they live in that, that they just moved into last month... that there will not be any allowance for late rent... Thankfully my SIL works in essential services, so he is working, my DD is not working and she and my grandson are at home, and they have some savings... and of course we will help them if they need it... they are standing on their own... and still paying their all their basic need... except... for The preschool is closed where our Grandson goes, is demanding payment, and sent out threatening letters, to either pay or their place will be dropped... which of course they can't pay without her working... but if school returns to class he will need to finish pre K, he is doing the on-line thing... so I told her that we would work it out..he goes to kindergarten in the fall... and will need just after school care at a different day care... and yet she understands that the daycare is just trying to make ends meet... So while no one is at fault... what do you do?

My whole thing is... For goodness sake... we are Americans... we don't run and hide... and cower in the corner wringing our hands together... We fight... we are a nation of people willing to fight to protect each other.... we pull together, dig in, stand together and prove that we can do anything... how can we let the the this flu beat us all down... take everything we work for, the ability to provide for our families away... the right to go to church...spend time with our loved ones... and just stand there and watch it all disappear...
We can still work and provide for our families... while it may look different...we are so good at getting the problems solved...
We are All American... we fought the British, with a rag tag army for our freedom, Women went to work during the World Wars, we pulled together.... we fought back against those who came for us on 911, hunted them down and dealt with them... We make it happen...
We don't negotiate with terrorist... why are we negotiating with a virus?.... and letting a virus send us scurrying and into hiding... when we can still look for a vaccine, and other therapy's and help each other without destroying our economy... in order to fight we need a strong economy...

So when do we draw the line and say enough is enough...?

Please don't make this political... there is enough of that on TV daily... please no flames either... Just my own personal opinion...

Sending pixie dust and love to everyone...

The rule.

 

[kirstenb1]

OP, I understand where you're coming from. I live in a very small rural town. Almost all our businesses are small businesses. In 400 square miles, there are 4 fast food chain places. Everything else is local restaurants, garden shops, hair salons, etc. We have 2 grocery stores for the entire county. Although our family doesn't have a small business, I'm very concerned about our friends and neighbors who do. I've been trying to order carry out dinner a few times a week. Normally, I cook at least 6 days a week. But I"m trying to support these little restaurants. And tipping an insane percentage to the person who brings the food out to my car. There's risk to everything in life. Our governor has a stay at home request in place til June 10th. Hoping everything around here can re open then.

 

[cabanafrau]

OK, so you didn't read it either - got it.
The statistic in the quote I posted about 40,000 people dying when unemployment goes up 1%. That's REAL! Guess what? We are over 1% now. 3.5% before the crisis, 4.4% at last check and that number is going up. It's all well and good for people like Bill Gates to say we will be staying home for over a year (because why would he ever have to leave the house) but that's REALLY unrealistic. There has to be an endpoint and that's going to have to come SOON. Maybe not May 1 as suggested by the OP, but certainly sometime this summer. Otherwise the other economic realities are going to do far more damage than the virus.

Because Bill Gates is merely sitting home cushy on piles of cash while the nobodies die, care for the sick or are thrown on the streets because they can't pay their bills?

He's literally spending billions of that cash to fund multiple vaccine research programs in the hopes that one will find the answer, and find it immediately.

IMO the cozy cash cushions are most likely found at Casa de Bezos, who is raking it in while providing minimum resources to the employees actually providing the labor to generate the $$ while paying them minimum rates to do so and cutting off their income should they become ill and unable to work.

 

[Disneypro1]

Yes. Enough is enough. And I’d say we are 3-4 weeks from it. Regardless of a any illness or virus. You can only shut the economy down for so long. And that will be the point. Then the free markets and free citizens will have to be unleashed. We will HAVE to get back to normal life. There is no way humanly possible. Any nation, let alone ours can stay closed like this much longer. Zero percent sustainable.

 

[gotomu212]

OK, so you didn't read it either - got it.
The statistic in the quote I posted about 40,000 people dying when unemployment goes up 1%. That's REAL! Guess what? We are over 1% now. 3.5% before the crisis, 4.4% at last check and that number is going up. It's all well and good for people like Bill Gates to say we will be staying home for over a year (because why would he ever have to leave the house) but that's REALLY unrealistic. There has to be an endpoint and that's going to have to come SOON. Maybe not May 1 as suggested by the OP, but certainly sometime this summer. Otherwise the other economic realities are going to do far more damage than the virus.

That unemployment %= 40k deaths is not a scientifically accepted statistic. It’s based on research done in the 1960s (50+ years ago) and has not been backed up with any data. The unemployment rate increased to almost 10% in 2009 and 2010 and we did not have 400k additional US deaths those years (we did have a spike in H1N1 deaths in 2009 though ironically enough).

 

[Searc]

You seem to have a real problem with America & Americans. I also know you have a chronic illness & have legitimate concerns about the virus. Hopefully, the current measures in Canada are helping you feel safer. Thankfully, and I say this sincerely, since you live in Canada, any American flag-waving shouldn’t be an issue for you.

Kimblebee is correct, and I'm an American. Too bad you changed your post to take out the snarky, because your response sure wasn't sincere.

 

[EveDallas]

Sure. "I'm sicking my head in the sand when it comes to science and the realities of an actual, lethal, pandemic and I just want to wish it all away. I care more about the economy than I do about the real people who are dying. I think that the elderly are expendable, since that's who I think will die the most. I also refuse to read the data showing that it isn't only the elderly who are dying from this. Basically, I have no understanding nor desire to understand of the enormity of this crisis."

Yeah, that's not what it said at all but you do you

 

[Wendy31]

Kimblebee is correct, and I'm an American. Too bad you changed your post to take out the snarky.

I never intended it to be snarky, which is why I changed it. I sincerely mean it.

I’m an American, & I’m proud to be an American. Yes, we have problems. But there are many good aspects to our country too.

 

[Disneypro1]

All this flag waving is getting old, and has been for quite some time.

??? Lol. Ok

 

[shelemm]

OK, I'm coming to the defense of the OP. TO the TLDR crowd, SHAME ON YOU! It was all of 5 paragraphs, not a diatribe. She brings up good points, points that should be listened to. Yes, the prudent thing to do is stay at home, for now - but did you read her post? She brings up some great, common sense solutions that could get hairdressers and barbers back to work. That's just one part of the work force - we'll need LOTS of these kinds of solutions if we are ever to return to normal.

One of my favorite movies is "The Big Short" and I am stunned by the lessons from that movie, based on real events, that are being completely ignored now. From that movie, "If we're right, people lose homes. People lose jobs. People lose retirement savings, people lose pensions. You know what I hate about ###### banking? It reduces people to numbers. Here's a number - every 1% unemployment goes up, 40,000 people die, did you know that?" Do you really think this situation is ANY different???

The time may not be now, but it is coming, and, SHE IS RIGHT, the sooner the better, and we're going to need to be OK with that. I'm OK with social distancing, what I am not OK with is social SHAMING. Just when is enough going to be enough for you, the social shamers? What yardstick will you use?

I find it worrisome that you start off your post with the sensible: "Yes, the prudent thing to do is stay at home for now"

But then you arrive at "the sooner the better" which is not the same message.

I am using the yardstick of not repeating Italy. In order to do that, it is jumping the gun to put pressure on the system. The problem is that RIGHT NOW we have that happening in NYC. And we as a society are not focused on that. I suggest to you: Get on the Bus. Get with the program. The more you fret over what's down the road, the more you put pressure on the system. Get a stiff upper lip. Get some resolve. And for God Sake's don't be quoting a movie character to try to teach us lessons about the economy.

Put pressure on our leaders to solve the problem in NYC right now. Get them their supplies and equipment We have already lost time and will continue to put ourselves behind. Why aren't you posting about that? Do that FIRST and then come back and talk about the economy.