Anyone else think enough is enough... ?

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Yes. Enough is enough. And I’d say we are 3-4 weeks from it. Regardless of a any illness or virus. You can only shut the economy down for so long. And that will be the point. Then the free markets and free citizens will have to be unleashed. We will HAVE to get back to normal life. There is no way humanly possible. Any nation, let alone ours can stay closed like this much longer. Zero percent sustainable.
Agree. I think about the middle of May, ESPECIALLY if the numbers (infected and deaths) decline, I think you're going to see a rebellion (for lack of a better term) to returning life to normal. I don't know that we need to be at 100% by June 1, but I think things will need to be starting to be relaxed. Just my opinion.
 
Yes. Enough is enough. And I’d say we are 3-4 weeks from it. Regardless of a any illness or virus. You can only shut the economy down for so long. And that will be the point. Then the free markets and free citizens will have to be unleashed. We will HAVE to get back to normal life. There is no way humanly possible. Any nation, let alone ours can stay closed like this much longer. Zero percent sustainable.

If only we had universal basic income and healthcare, then we wouldn’t have to worry. Yeah. I don’t see it happening. We’re just going to have to suffer through two more months of this and the economic consequences. But we do have low taxes. And I don’t have to file until later in the year. I guess that’s a win.
 
Agree. I think about the middle of May, ESPECIALLY if the numbers (infected and deaths) decline, I think you're going to see a rebellion (for lack of a better term) to returning life to normal. I don't know that we need to be at 100% by June 1, but I think things will need to be starting to be relaxed. Just my opinion.
Agreed. Whether you talk about here in America. Or The UK. Etc. the rebellion would be massive. Folks want to work and earn money. We are getting close to the end of folks putting up with the stay at home and the shutting down of business they work their entire lives for. Thankfully. We are getting close.
 
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Yes. Enough is enough. And I’d say we are 3-4 weeks from it. Regardless of a any illness or virus. You can only shut the economy down for so long. And that will be the point. Then the free markets and free citizens will have to be unleashed. We will HAVE to get back to normal life. There is no way humanly possible. Any nation, let alone ours can stay closed like this much longer. Zero percent sustainable.
So if we fast track "reopening" and back to normal....how will the cycle of workers infecting other workers and clients be helpful to the businesses?
 

If only we had universal basic income and healthcare, then we wouldn’t have to worry. Yeah. I don’t see it happening. We’re just going to have to suffer through two more months of this and the economic consequences. But we do have low taxes. And I don’t have to file until later in the year. I guess that’s a win.
Universal income? You mean like working for your money? That’s the best way.
 
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So if we fast track "reopening" and back to normal....how will the cycle of workers infecting other workers and clients be helpful to the businesses?
But there would be a business. We can’t just board it up. Folks want to work. And in a short time. They will. Stay at home orders or not. People won’t just lose everything.
 
OK, so you didn't read it either - got it.
The statistic in the quote I posted about 40,000 people dying when unemployment goes up 1%. That's REAL! Guess what? We are over 1% now. 3.5% before the crisis, 4.4% at last check and that number is going up. It's all well and good for people like Bill Gates to say we will be staying home for over a year (because why would he ever have to leave the house) but that's REALLY unrealistic. There has to be an endpoint and that's going to have to come SOON. Maybe not May 1 as suggested by the OP, but certainly sometime this summer. Otherwise the other economic realities are going to do far more damage than the virus.

Nope, try again. Your 40,000 claim is inaccurate at best. I'll leave it at that.
 
Here are the Louisiana stats. Scroll down just a little to see the underlying conditions. You can click on the chart to see the breakdown by age.
http://ldh.la.gov/coronavirus/

Wow. Interesting.
I can’t find a county wide data for population with hypertension, but the CDC has info showing LA’s overall population is at 40% with hypertension, and that LA health dept website shows 66% of cases had comorbidity with hypertension.
 
But there would be a business. We can’t just board it up. Folks want to work. And in a short time. They will. Stay at home orders or not. People won’t just lose everything.
I sympathize but if they reopen their restaurant and only 20 people a day feel safe enough to go, their business will close anyway. They can reopen their house building business, but when people either don't have the money or want to be safe, they won't go to him to buy a new house. The government shut down is not the only thing driving this. If people don't feel safe they won't go and they won't spend even if people violate orders and open back up.
 
I think I am the most patriotic person I know and I am all for flag waving, etc... I can understand some of the sentiments expressed by the OP. However, where I differ, and others have mentioned this too, is in the definition of fighting the virus. I don't see staying in place and social distancing as hiding and cowering. I actually see it as the opposite - I see those measures as fighting the virus. I think the patriotic and fighting thing to do is to follow the directives so we can beat (limit) the effects of the virus. This is not fighting a foreign invader, standing up for God given rights, or neutralizing evil people. The best way to fight against this threat and eliminate it is to prevent it from spreading until we can find efficient/effective treatments and eventually a vaccine. Sacrifice is patriotic. In WWII, just about everyone bought in and sacrificed. Food was rationed, people gave up luxuries (for example, nylons), needed materials were recycled, etc... Luckily, there was not much 'defiance' for these things as everyone was working together to fight. We must do the same now. (I certainly realize that there were countries where the sacrifices on the home front were far greater, but I am addressing the post from an American perspective.)

So, be patriotic and fight this threat with the only real weapon we have right now. As a nation, and world, we need to stop blaming and pointing fingers and need to work together to reduce this threat until the treatments and vaccine can be found. Everyday you hear stories where this is happening. Like WWII, companies are changing their production lines and manufacturing much needed goods. Some of the rapid production and changes have quite frankly made me proud of this country.

At the very least, stay the course for a couple more weeks and give the sacrifices that are being made a chance to work. A frontal assault/suicide charge may seem on the surface to be brave and patriotic, but I see it more as giving up and surrendering to the enemy.

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How do the folks that can’t work from home make money with a stay at home order? This solves that problem.
No. Lift the order. So they can work. I get a few weeks. But at some point soon. People have to work. Even a nation a wealthy as the US. Can’t pay everyone to stay home for very long. Not long at all. And certainly not universal income. All the money the Treasury has is through taxes. Which is paid by working. With out working. There is no Treasury.
 
I think I am the most patriotic person I know and I am all for flag waving, etc... I can understand some of the sentiments expressed by the OP. However, where I differ, and others have mentioned this too, is in the definition of fighting the virus. I don't see staying in place and social distancing as hiding and cowering. I actually see it as the opposite - I see those measures as fighting the virus. I think the patriotic and fighting thing to do is to follow the directives so we can beat (limit) the effects of the virus. This is not fighting a foreign invader, standing up for God given rights, or neutralizing evil people. The best way to fight against this threat and eliminate it is to prevent it from spreading until we can find efficient/effective treatments and eventually a vaccine. Sacrifice is patriotic. In WWII, just about everyone bought in and sacrificed. Food was rationed, people gave up luxuries (for example, nylons), needed materials were recycled, etc... Luckily, there was not much 'defiance' for these things as everyone was working together to fight. We must do the same now. (I certainly realize that there were countries where the sacrifices on the home front were far greater, but I am addressing the post from an American perspective.)

So, be patriotic and fight this threat with the only real weapon we have right now. As a nation, and world, we need to stop blaming and pointing figures and need to work together to reduce this threat until the treatments and vaccine can be found. Everyday you hear stories where this is happening. Like WWII, companies are changing their production lines and manufacturing much needed goods. Some of the rapid production and changes have quite frankly made me proud of this country.

At the very least, stay the course for a couple more weeks and give the sacrifices that are being made a chance to work. A frontal assault/suicide charge may seem on the surface to be brave and patriotic, but I see it more as giving up and surrendering to the enemy.
::yes:: Very well said.
 
But there would be a business. We can’t just board it up. Folks want to work. And in a short time. They will. Stay at home orders or not. People won’t just lose everything.

Wanting to work and having the consumer demand for your business are two different things though. I continue to think that very unfortunately many business are going to suffer not because of a lockdown but because of a lack of consumer demand. Some places have such thin margins that if even 10-15% of consumers voluntarily stay home, which I think is an incredibly underestimate, they wont cover operating costs.

I think the recession was due to the virus and not the shutdowns. It would have happened even without the shutdowns but the human cost would have been a lot higher.
 
No. Lift the order. So they can work. I get a few weeks. But at some point soon. People have to work. Even a nation a wealthy as the US. Can’t pay everyone to stay home for very long. Not long at all. And certainly not universal income. All the money the Treasury has is through taxes. Which is paid by working. With out working. There is no Treasury.

That’s not really working out for us at the moment. I’d feel a whole lot better if I had much stronger social safety nets.
 
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