All DVC owners need to contact member services to complain about the NBA

[Sandisw]

Fair points. I guess I was thinking/griping out loud. I'm frustrated by a lot of what is going on. I'm more than happy with my little studio.

I do get it...I think this is such a unique situation that much of what always happens..Disney moving cash guests to DVC...is more out there and makes us think about things!

 

[justadreamaway77]

That sounds kind of elitist. Hotel guests are hotel guests. There's no proof that people staying at All Stars will trash DVC rooms. I've stayed at All Stars plenty of times, and I've used my points at DVC resorts plenty of times. Should I be judged as less worthy of a DVC room because I've stayed at the All Stars?

People in general treat things for what they pay for them. If you buy a pair of sunglasses for $10, you are going to treat them like $10 sunglasses. If you paid $200 for the sunglasses, you are going to treat them like $200. It's not the person, it's what they've paid for it/invested in that can determine how things are treated/valued.

 

[Sandisw]

People in general treat things for what they pay for them. If you buy a pair of sunglasses for $10, you are going to treat them like $10 sunglasses. If you paid $200 for the sunglasses, you are going to treat them like $200. It's not the person, it's what they've paid for it/invested in that can determine how things are treated/valued.

All the people who are getting an upgrade who have posted seem excited and I’m not even sure why anyone would think these guests would treat a DVC room any differently than an owner.

 

[keishashadow]

I'm more annoyed that people who paid for all stars are getting to stay at DVC for no extra money! They are using the rooms, facilities, etc and have no concern for them

I’ve lived long enough to acquire a working handle on human nature. One of the givens is realizing you never 100% can be sure how a stranger is going to react, in any circumstance.

I know doctors who book the All Star resorts because...they love them. Yes, to many that is a strange concept, but it’s true. Still a work in progress, I try not to judge people based upon appearances or preconceived notions, nor begrudge them their good fortune.

For those that do feel they’ve been wronged, I’m sure there are owners of the YC who have already consulted lawyer(s) re possibility of a class action suit of some kind as to their TS rights being violated.

People in general treat things for what they pay for them. If you buy a pair of sunglasses for $10, you are going to treat them like $10 sunglasses. If you paid $200 for the sunglasses, you are going to treat them like $200. It's not the person, it's what they've paid for it/invested in that can determine how things are treated/valued.

Again, I was raised to take care of what I had & passed that on to my DS. Didn’t matter if something cost $10 or $200, you took care of it at the risk of not receiving a replacement.

There may be a certain element that lives more of a disposable life. If you study habits of the truly old-money wealthy, you will find many are of the mind set some would call frugal.

All the people who are getting an upgrade who have posted seem excited and I’m not even sure why anyone would think these guests would treat a DVC room any differently than an owner.

Agree. Most posters appear absolutely over the moon over getting a once-in-a lifetime upgrade such as this. It’s one few things to come out of this soul-sucking pandemic that has made me unexpectedly smile.

 

[sethschroeder]

The problem with bumping owners is legally, who gets it? Cash guests have no connection to another cash guest,

However, each owner at a resort has paid for their share and who gets to pick which guest is the one bumped.

Disney is an owner, just like you and me, and if they want to use their points to move a guest into a DVC room, I’m not sure why people believe they should have to choose another owner.

You ask so many questions I have easy answer for.

Give until 7 days before stay to opt in to be upgraded for "partial" nights of your trip. Either randomly pull names or do a first come first serve based on when people opt'd in (randomize for the first 24 hours when opting in became a thing).

Is this not the same thing for the moonlight stuff? There is limited options and even days in that case.

 

[The Sasquatch]

Super confused. Is SAB going to be open to NBA? Are the BC owners still going to be paying their 1/3 share to maintain SAB? If both are "yes", then I agree with the OP. BC points are more expensive than BW points for a reason. Namely: SAB. If either are "no" then I don't think there's a big enough issue to get worked up about. This is COVID - things are going to TEMPORARILY be different for a while.

that’s the whole point here, the answer is still no...they are not opening SAB to the NBA...Fake news

 

[kmorlock]

I’ve lived long enough to acquire a working handle on human nature. One of the givens is realizing you never 100% can be sure how a stranger is going to react, in any circumstance.

I know doctors who book the All Star resorts because...they love them. Yes, to many that is a strange concept, but it’s true. Still a work in progress, I try not to judge people based upon appearances or preconceived notions, nor begrudge them their good fortune.

For those that do feel they’ve been wronged, I’m sure there are owners of the YC who have already consulted lawyer(s) re possibility of a class action suit of some kind as to their TS rights being violated.


Again, I was raised to take care of what I had & passed that on to my DS. Didn’t matter if something cost $10 or $200, you took care of it at the risk of not receiving a replacement.

There may be a certain element that lives more of a disposable life. If you study habits of the truly old-money wealthy, you will find many are of the mind set some would call frugal.


Agree. Most posters appear absolutely over the moon over getting a once-in-a lifetime upgrade such as this. It’s one few things to come out of this soul-sucking pandemic that has made me unexpectedly smile.

I whole heartedly agree and to an extent responded to a lot of posts on other threads encouraging the choice of one DVC accommodation over another based on the party size and what the OP described. It’s exciting for some people who never stayed in a multi room DVC. We should be happy to Welcome them home too. This kind of upgrade doesn’t happen often and it helps make a bad situation better. We were cash guests staying in DVC for years. That’s what sold it for us. Owners can trash a room just as carelessly as anyone.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

Except they have taken the action.....

Check Twitter and even this site the dividers are already up.

Your facts are skewed. All Disney has done is quarantine a part of THEIR land off for the NBA players - an action well within their rights. They have NOT said that DVC will be covering the costs for maintenance of that land and associated facilities.

Until Disney either assesses us with a charge for that area or indicates in some way that we are responsible for the costs, again - you have nothing as they have not done anything.

They are allowed to use their land and facilities and they are allowed to use joint facilities. The only thing in dispute is if they are going to charge DVC for costs incurred while we are not able to access it. They have not said or done anything to indicate they will.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

That sounds kind of elitist. Hotel guests are hotel guests. There's no proof that people staying at All Stars will trash DVC rooms. I've stayed at All Stars plenty of times, and I've used my points at DVC resorts plenty of times. Should I be judged as less worthy of a DVC room because I've stayed at the All Stars?

Early in our ownership of DVC we didn't have enough points so we used to fly in late and stay at a value resort for the first night so we didn't waste points for time that we couldn't truly enjoy our DVC resort. I remember one time being dropped of at one of the All Star resorts and there was a party of other guests pretty much looking down their collective noises at us because we were staying there. I heard one of those them saying "I would never stay at this place". I wanted to let that person know that tomorrow I was moving to the BW but I thought it just wasn't worth it, if that person wanted to be ignorant so be it. Perfect example of the "elitist" attitude, since that time we have added on three times and no longer have to stay somewhere else on the first night....

And yes, doesn't matter where we are staying, I take care of that place as if it were my own. Just the way I was brought up.

 

[RKS03]

Legally it appears all that DVC guarantees us is the right to sleep in rooms. The selling point for many was the amenities and use of the full resort as well as a great location to access the parks. While they were never guaranteed these were all available before. Now it’s clear that the not guaranteed part is actually not guaranteed. While that’s fine legally the market value I imagine has to be far lower given the implied ability to access everything is gone.

I’m not 100% blaming Disney given the situation but the reality is I would value my DVC far less if I can’t even use the parks when I want. Honestly I’d rather vacation elsewhere if I can’t get in consistently. Hopefully this all gets worked out soon.

 

[The Prophet]

The NBA will be paying Disney $150 million.
The bigger question is how many people will watch the games on TV

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-disney-world-price-tag-resorts-arena-employees-bubble-042103766.html

 

[Brett Wyman]

The NBA will be paying Disney $150 million.
The bigger question is how many people will watch the games on TV

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-disney-world-price-tag-resorts-arena-employees-bubble-042103766.html

I think A LOT of sports fans are dying to watch anything they can at this point.

 

[Sandisw]

You ask so many questions I have easy answer for.

Give until 7 days before stay to opt in to be upgraded for "partial" nights of your trip. Either randomly pull names or do a first come first serve based on when people opt'd in (randomize for the first 24 hours when opting in became a thing).

Is this not the same thing for the moonlight stuff? There is limited options and even days in that case.

Actually it is not because the moonlight magic events comes from the marketing budget and upgrades would not.


But, sure, if you want to make a perk of owning a blue card and those members are eligible for upgrades from Disney’s points,..then it could work

Disney is not going to give DVC owners free points just because ..there is no incentive for them to do that really...with cash guests, they are getting something for their rooms...may be heavily discounted, but it’s cash.

That was my point. IMO, people shouldn’t be comparing themselves to cash guests...we traded our rights for those types of deals when we bought DVC...over the course of our contracts, we are getting what amounts to free upgrades based on what we pay, especially if one buys through the resale market.

I guess they could also offer owners a chance to upgrade for a fee too..but I doubt that is what people Are talking about.

 

[shoegal9]

Now I find out about this fence it just kind of ticked me off.

Totally agree on the fence. What an eyesore. We all know they have plenty of decent looking construction walls with the quotes from Walt on them. I’ll be upset if I can see that chain link garbage from the Polynesian when I’m there in September.

 

[justadreamaway77]

Early in our ownership of DVC we didn't have enough points so we used to fly in late and stay at a value resort for the first night so we didn't waste points for time that we couldn't truly enjoy our DVC resort. I remember one time being dropped of at one of the All Star resorts and there was a party of other guests pretty much looking down their collective noises at us because we were staying there. I heard one of those them saying "I would never stay at this place". I wanted to let that person know that tomorrow I was moving to the BW but I thought it just wasn't worth it, if that person wanted to be ignorant so be it. Perfect example of the "elitist" attitude, since that time we have added on three times and no longer have to stay somewhere else on the first night....

And yes, doesn't matter where we are staying, I take care of that place as if it were my own. Just the way I was brought up.

Sounds like you were being sensitive and feeling that entitlement (or lack of at that moment) too....that you had to justify you were moving to a better resort in the morning. That person was probably talking about the gawdiness of the All Stars theming which is a very real sentiment for many and is not entitlement, they are just very gawdy....and the absolute lack of amenities. Just because you stay at a value doesn't mean you are trash but it does mean you are not wanting to pay for the nicer finishes and amenities and a lot of times people who pay more for something, treat it better. Not always but more times yes than no. That's my opinion and you can have yours.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

Sounds like you were being sensitive and feeling that entitlement (or lack of at that moment) too....that you had to justify you were moving to a better resort in the morning. That person was probably talking about the gawdiness of the All Stars theming which is a very real sentiment for many and is not entitlement, they are just very gawdy....and the absolute lack of amenities. Just because you stay at a value doesn't mean you are trash but it does mean you are not wanting to pay for the nicer finishes and amenities and a lot of times people who pay more for something, treat it better. Not always but more times yes than no. That's my opinion and you can have yours.

Yes we will have to agree to disagree.

Do you have any statistic to back up your claim about paying more means people will treat it better. I'm betting you don't.

I don't agree that I was feeing entitled, I think those guests had a nose problem. Sounds like you might too...that's your problem not mine. Have a good day.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Yes we will have to agree to disagree.

Do you have any statistic to back up your claim about paying more means people will treat it better. I'm betting you don't.

I don't agree that I was feeing entitled, I think those guests had a nose problem. Sounds like you might too...that's your problem not mine. Have a good day.

I've seen more desk tantrums at Deluxes than at "lesser" resorts, fo sho.

 

[SirDuff]

Yes we will have to agree to disagree.

Do you have any statistic to back up your claim about paying more means people will treat it better. I'm betting you don't.

I don't agree that I was feeing entitled, I think those guests had a nose problem. Sounds like you might too...that's your problem not mine. Have a good day.

But why would you feel the need/desire to tell people that you were moving to a "better" place in the morning? Honestly, that comes across as elitist as well ("I'll have you know, we're only slumming it for one night"). I've stayed at various levels of hotels (at WDW and elsewhere), but never felt the need to justify staying at less expensive hotels to strangers.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

But why would you feel the need/desire to tell people that you were moving to a "better" place in the morning? Honestly, that comes across as elitist as well ("I'll have you know, we're only slumming it for one night"). I've stayed at various levels of hotels (at WDW and elsewhere), but never felt the need to justify staying at less expensive hotels to strangers.

I didn't thought did I? I figured if they were that entitled and uppity it wasn't worth my time to correct them.

Good for you, so have I. Maybe you never felt the need because no-one was making comments about where your were staying?

There is nothing wrong with value or moderate lever resorts. I will say that I do prefer my DVC over either choice for several reasons. Two reasons being the rooms are bigger and most often in better locations. That being said if you don't agree that is your choice.

As far as feeling "the need/desire to tell people that you were moving to a "better" place in the morning". Human nature? I don't think anyone here or anywhere else like to feel that they are being ridiculed, judged or put down by anyone else. Maybe you do and you wouldn't have "felt the need", good for you. I guess you are a bigger person...but I doughty it since you seem to feel the need to question me on my motives. Does that make you feel superior to me because you are implying you wouldn't have "felt the need"?

 

[TiggerBouncy]

I didn't thought did I? I figured if they were that entitled and uppity it wasn't worth my time to correct them.

Good for you, so have I. Maybe you never felt the need because no-one was making comments about where your were staying?

There is nothing wrong with value or moderate lever resorts. I will say that I do prefer my DVC over either choice for several reasons. Two reasons being the rooms are bigger and most often in better locations. That being said if you don't agree that is your choice.

As far as feeling "the need/desire to tell people that you were moving to a "better" place in the morning". Human nature? I don't think anyone here or anywhere else like to feel that they are being ridiculed, judged or put down by anyone else. Maybe you do and you wouldn't have "felt the need", good for you. I guess you are a bigger person...but I doughty it since you seem to feel the need to question me on my motives. Does that make you feel superior to me because you are implying you wouldn't have "felt the need"?

oh, I hate staying in cash rooms. I paid cash a year ago cause we were going on DCL and there was not a DVC room. I thought... pirate of the Caribbean room... cruise...win! I was not happy with the room, even with the theming. For a number of reasons. (I’m not a complainer. I just won’t do that again).

I didn’t see anything you said as elitist and don’t think you need to defend yourself.

I will say people going on a budget have nothing to be ashamed of. They can treat rooms as good or bad as people staying in deluxe. Often deluxe are harder on rooms because they paid more so take it as their right.

I do remember being in a hot tub at CCV after it opened and a group of young DVC people staying on their parents points talking about how they wish owners who were not independently wealthy with old money would not be”allowed into the club” and there should be a minimum wealth - like Club 33. I did not say anything, but man I wanted to lay into them. I was ashamed for all DVC owners that night.