Al Sharpton Strikes Again!

[OFFTONEVERLAND1]

I don't know

Why don't you tell me since you say he's the wonderful Al Sharpton

So you try to use sarcasm to deflect from that fact that your statements are hypocritical. Why not just answer the question? You’re the one quick to defend the man so why not explain why it is OK for him to bring up the past but no one else. Is it because you do not have a good answer? Are you embarrassed because you may be viewed as a hypocrite?

 

[LisaNJ25]

I don't know

Why don't you tell me since you say he's the wonderful Al Sharpton

That would be wonderful with thousands of eye rolls after it

 

[LohKee]

So you try to use sarcasm to deflect from that fact that your statements are hypocritical. Why not just answer the question? You’re the one quick to defend the man so why not explain why it is OK for him to bring up the past but no one else. Is it because you do not have a good answer? Are you embarrassed because you may be viewed as a hypocrite?

Oh please you really give yourself too much credit. Do you honestly think I give a darn how you view me. You don't want to know how I view you because you're really not ban worthy.

That said, as I said before, Al can do whatever he want to do. He's not obligated to anyone but Al. If you call that defending him so be it. I stand by what I said.

Another thing, instead of all of your complaining, why not stand up for the people you say he's racist against?

 

[OFFTONEVERLAND1]

Oh please you really give yourself too much credit. Do you honestly think I give a darn how you view me. You don't want to know how I view you because you're really not ban worthy.

That said, as I said before, Al can do whatever he want to do. He's not obligated to anyone but Al. If you call that defending him so be it. I stand by what I said.

Another thing, instead of all of your complaining, why not stand up for the people you say he's racist against?

SO than you should not care when posters bring up what happened 20 years ago. They can say whatever they want they are not obligated to anyone but themselves. Does that sound familiar? I am not sure how you can say I was complaining I was questioning your statement. Since when is that complaining? If it bothers you for someone to question your comment than stop posting on a public board. Really you need to get over yourself other people are entitled to their opinions and do not need be called a racist by you.

 

[LohKee]

SO than you should not care when posters bring up what happened 20 years ago. They can say whatever they want they are not obligated to anyone but themselves. Does that sound familiar? I am not sure how you can say I was complaining I was questioning your statement. Since when is that complaining? If it bothers you for someone to question your comment than stop posting on a public board. Really you need to get over yourself other people are entitled to their opinions and do not need be called a racist by you.

Before you post your pitiful attacks on someone, make sure you at least take the time to quote the right person when you label them a racist.

Furthermore, just as you say people can say what they want to say, Al can say what he want to say, I can say what I want to say. The problem is you can't control it i.e people don't cowtow to your line of thinking.

That said, get off your high horse! I don't care if people agree or disagree with me on issues. But I definitely won't back down or change my stance to appease certain people who don't agree with me!

 

[auntie]

Dont you find that odd, that after all this time, all the news coverage and a Trial..We STILL dont know the Whole Story?????

I know the story..and I know the area where this occured WELL.We have a business near by. It is the community that asked..and pleaded with police to do something about the crap hole after hours den of prostituion and drugs, that was effecting the quality of life in their neighborhood. It was an undercover investigation in which one of the detectives overheard one of the suspects reference "getting his gun" when he was speaking with another patron of this fine establishment. Sean Bell and his buddies were no angels. They weren't at Hooters for a bachelor party. They were in this crap hole hours before he was going to be married. Am I the only one that finds that a little strange? Granted, while not very admirable behavior, I would certainly agree that you don't deserve to die for being scummy. Only let's be clear on where and how it happened. You or I wouldn't walk the streets in the dead of night in this area. It's dangerous. These cops..one of whichi is Hispanic, the other African American, and the other white, shot at this car, after it repeatidly hit an undercover police car. Not once..but again and again. I might add that their Luietenant..who was in charge of the operation was not charged..because he was hiding while the shots were being fired. HE was in charge of this operation, but because he didn't fire his gun..he was not charged. Their were 50 shots fired. 50 shots DID NOT hit Sean Bell. Out of three officers 50 shots were fired. They feared for their lives. Now you may hear Mayor Mike and the Commish..who wants to run for mayor, say how they are trained to shoot and re-evaluate. THEY will NEVER face a situation like that these officers faced. They won't find themselves on the streets doing that job for that money. You bet those guys emptied their guns..because they wanted to go home that night to THIER kids. No cop wants to have to face the ramifications of having made a split second decision to use their gun and have the decision turned around and used against them as police brutality. This is WAY different than the Abner Louima case, where police brutality was horrendous. This was a situation where these men were "on the job"...doing what the community asked them to do. Doing THEIR jobs. THis was a situation in which they felt their lives were in danger. I believe that mistakes were made..and that procedures can and should be evaluated. Only it was not an intentional act to kill Sean Bell. I think you can see the look on the detectives face(who is also African American) who apologized to the Bell family. You can see the pain in that man's face, and hear the remorse in his voice. They stood before a judge..a judge who had no horse in this race. This judge has in the past sent police officers to jail. The prosecution presented witness after witness whose recollections and stories of the incident changed depending on who they talked to. They also have ulterior motives in regards to lawsuits against the city. They aren't in it for justice for Sean Bell, they're in this for the bucks they can get out of a law suit. It's all VERY sad. A young man who made an incredibly poor choice..is dead. Three police officers who were doing their job, are dragged through the mud. Their lives forever changed. The NYPD has more officers jumping ship..because they DON"T want the job any longer. These officers were hung out to dry by both their Commisiner and Mayor and portrayed as evil murderers by the media. Officers are watching this..and they are leaving. Did you know to be an officer for the NYPD you need to have an Associates degree...where as none of the surrounding boroughs require this. 90 percent of the applicants to the Port Authority academy were former NYPD..Why do you think that is. Qualified officers are leaving...they don't have the support of the people of NY or their superiors. All of the surrounding boroughs pay three times what NYPD pays. Who exactly is going to be doing this job? They had to give food stamps to the last graduating class, because they don't make enough to get through the academy. While Rev. Al is closing down the city...he should think of who the people of this city are going to call when they need help, and who exactly is going to show up. No one really qualified, is going to be sticking around.

 

[NYBlue1]

TYPICAL?!?!? What does THAT mean? It's not about supporting AL, it's about supporting the cause. I agree totally with cops having to defend themselves, but that is why they go to the POLICE ACADEMY, to learn how to do it RIGHT. Criminal or not (NOT!) 50 shots was ridiculous and they have every right to protest and tie up anything they want. People are pissed because of that and I'm sorry that somewhere some little boy was missing his field trip but right there, a woman is missing her fiance and her child is missing it's FATHER.

Being in a situation in real course of duty can not be simulated in the police academy, listen cops are human beings, there is no way to tell how a police officer will react till the situation is in motion. Remember people are not machines and you cant program them to be, there is no test that will tell you how a person will react when that awful day comes that they have to use deadly force.

Stop looking at police officers like uniforms and authority and see what they are, a human being. They make mistakes, if the mistake is not malicious or devious or intentional, its a mistake, unfortunately some mistakes are deadly, that just stinks. I cant imagine how awful the bell family feels, I equally can not imagine how awful the police officers involved feel about taking a life.

The police officers were there for a reason, that was a bad place, till this day it is thought a gun was involved and it was taken away from the scene, is that true? I guess we will never know. I do know one thing, this is not about police brutality, or rogue cops or racism, its about a bad bad night where a young man lost his life before it really started, thats sad, for everyone involved.

 

[NYBlue1]

Ok, well maybe these cops weren't as alert as they are hired to be. How can you fire 50 shot because you believe that you were being shot at yet none of the victims had a gun nor was one found on the scene. Maybe what they heard was themselves shooting and got overzealous. I don't buy it.

You honestly have no idea what you are talking about with the 50 shots. You dont have to buy it, these men were in an elite undercover squad, they dont get there by being not alert, you dont think this was right, you think it was murder, thats your opinion, just stop with the garbage about the cops not knowing their jobs and being incompetent.

 

[NYBlue1]

double post

 

[NYBlue1]

We hear Tawana Brawley over and over. Yet we hear nothing about
Amadou Diallo or Abner Louima

He was dead wrong on the Brawley case. However, he was right on Michael Griffith, Yusef Hawkins...

Amadou Diallo- Another tragic incident

Abner Louima- Disgusting, the man punched a police officer while being arrested, he should have been booked on that and let the justice system take care of it. That cop is a disgusting embarrassment to the badge, we can all agree on that.

Griffith and Hawkins- An awful display of human nature, not involving police, but showing very much that there are still people in this country that are ignorant and pathetic.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

Correct me if I am wrong (anyone in law enforcement here?) but when you pull your gun out of the holster isn't it the reaction to start shooting as soon as it comes out meaning that you unholster and the gun starts shooting at the ground and all the way up as your arm is being raised? I think I read somewhere that it is a normal reaction. That you're not even in firing position and you are already firing because of the flight or fight reaction? Anyone know anything about this? I cannot remember for the life of me where I read that but I recall something to that effect. So essentially 50 shots were not actually fired at the suspects but 50 were unloaded from the gun. Anyone have any insight about that? TIA!

 

[NYBlue1]

They were at a strip club. Many men go to strip clubs. Married men go to strip clubs. Women go to strip clubs. Men go to strip clubs behinds their wives back. Some women who think they have the perfect marriage might be shocked to know what their husbands are doing and where they're doing inside and outside of strip clubs!

People make mistakes. People who have been arrested in the past can turn their life around and do positive things, so don't judge those who have walked this road from your ivory tower. They have a right to defend themselves just as you and I do.

This was not a typical strip club, it was known for the unsavory characters that were the clientel of this particular strip club, its no "scores". Your argument doesn't float in this case.

Whats with all the ivory tower comments, how do you know who here has not walked this road. Your very angry but your judgment of all the posters here is wrong.

People do make mistakes, people turn lives around, but some dont, and somebody that has turned their life around is not doing it at the club Kahlua.

 

[MUFFYCAT]

Forget about the cops ready to hang! One man KILLED HIMSELF over what Al Sharpton did - KILLED HIMSELF! Al Sharpton made his life hell, and he was innocent. That man had a family and kids. He wasn't no drug dealer with a criminal record who struck a police officer with his car, then hitting a police van, backing up and ramming the police van for a second time, just for good measure.

You all are absolutely right. Al Sharpton (won't give him the honor of addressing him as reverend) is all about himself.

Some don't like that the Tawana Brawley case keeps coming with Al, but his actions resulted in the same way, a innocent man died.
In the long run he got away with this murder.

 

[CapeCodTenor]

Correct me if I am wrong (anyone in law enforcement here?) but when you pull your gun out of the holster isn't it the reaction to start shooting as soon as it comes out meaning that you unholster and the gun starts shooting at the ground and all the way up as your arm is being raised? I think I read somewhere that it is a normal reaction. That you're not even in firing position and you are already firing because of the flight or fight reaction? Anyone know anything about this? I cannot remember for the life of me where I read that but I recall something to that effect. So essentially 50 shots were not actually fired at the suspects but 50 were unloaded from the gun. Anyone have any insight about that? TIA!

I'm not in law enforcement, but that would be very dangerous to start shooting before the gun was fully out of the holster, and thereby shooting at the ground. I've seen video of police officers pulling their guns out and not shooting. So I would venture to guess that no, that is not the instinct.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

I'm not in law enforcement, but that would be very dangerous to start shooting before the gun was fully out of the holster, and thereby shooting at the ground. I've seen video of police officers pulling their guns out and not shooting. So I would venture to guess that no, that is not the instinct.

Yes I know that it is dangerous but I think in extreme situations (like this case) it does happen. I didn't mean that they shoot while the gun is in the holster. I meant once the gun clears the holster as you are bringing your arm up (like an arc).

 

[NYBlue1]

Correct me if I am wrong (anyone in law enforcement here?) but when you pull your gun out of the holster isn't it the reaction to start shooting as soon as it comes out meaning that you unholster and the gun starts shooting at the ground and all the way up as your arm is being raised? I think I read somewhere that it is a normal reaction. That you're not even in firing position and you are already firing because of the flight or fight reaction? Anyone know anything about this? I cannot remember for the life of me where I read that but I recall something to that effect. So essentially 50 shots were not actually fired at the suspects but 50 were unloaded from the gun. Anyone have any insight about that? TIA!

No not really correct, you are taught and just because of muscle memory will start shooting after you have come up on your target. Now the part where you are correct is this, its very hard to shoot a semi automatic handgun. Shooting paper is tough in itself but now add stress and darkness Adrenalin and life threat and you are going to miss allot of shots. Police are taught to shoot to stop the threat.

 

[CapeCodTenor]

Yes I know that it is dangerous but I think in extreme situations (like this case) it does happen. I didn't mean that they shoot while the gun is in the holster. I meant once the gun clears the holster as you are bringing your arm up (like an arc).

I see what you're saying, sorry I misunderstood. Sorry, I can't answer that one.

 

[auntie]

This was not a typical strip club, it was known for the unsavory characters that were the clientel of this particular strip club, its no "scores". Your argument doesn't float in this case.

Whats with all the ivory tower comments, how do you know who here has not walked this road. Your very angry but your judgment of all the posters here is wrong.

People do make mistakes, people turn lives around, but some dont, and somebody that has turned their life around is not doing it at the club Kahlua.

You are right about that..it wasn't a bachelor party in some strip club. This place is a hole. I can't really say what it is..because it would be sensored. It was known for prosititution and DRUGS. This wasn't some guys havin' a good time before the wedding. It is a blight in the neighborhood. People who live there were afraid to be near it. It brought very unsavory people and CRIME and DRUGS to the community. I totally agree with your statement that someone who has turned their life around isn't hanging out at Kahlua. Doesn't mean they deserve to die for making a poor choice..but the idea of these guys were saints just celebrating before the wedding is a media myth. Something that sells papers and has people tune in at 11. Fans the fire, of police brutality. As if they were shot at for driving the down the street. Nothing could be further from the truth. For one minute let those who judge put themselves in those circumstances in the dead of night, after having heard a suspect mention "getting their gun"..and predict how they may react. While a tragedy..it wasn't an intentional act to murder an innocent victim.

 

[Corryn]

I know the story..and I know the area where this occured WELL.We have a business near by.

I know the story too, and you've explained it well.

Being in a situation in real course of duty can not be simulated in the police academy......I do know one thing, this is not about police brutality, or rogue cops or racism, its about a bad bad night where a young man lost his life before it really started, thats sad, for everyone involved.

Like I stated before my husband spent his NYPD career in this precinct and he talked with some of the guys he used to work with and they all said the same thing based on responding to that same exact club on different occasions, that someone hanging out that late at that specific club is not a good boy.

That said, good for you that you believe everything your husband tells you. I don't!

Ya know, you cannot believe everything someone tells you....women have that intuition - you know when your kids or your husband are telling you a story.
But as far as work goes, I believed what he said, why shouldn't I? My DH has more Cop Of The Month awards than any guy he knows to prove any stories he's told me. Those Cop Of The Month awards include community awards which are given out by the Community for the work the police officers are doing to Protect the community, protect the lives and well-being of the hard-working good citizens of the community.
Our friends are all honest men just like him, who don't make a good salary (especially for living on Long Island!!!!)
and they do get shot at by the bad guys (yes, they do) but that's the job they took. My husband, as I'm sure most cops, have made friends with those who live in the community and they listen to what's going on, hear their voice, and try to make a difference for the people who they are paid to protect. Of course, in every job there's always some slime ball....but we're not talking about slime ball cops here - unlike the Amadou Dialo case.


But when it comes down to it and you're fighting for your community, essentially it doesn't come down to race - black or white....It comes down to, okay, am I gonna stick to the side of other hard-working law-abiding citizens that reside with me in my community, or am I gonna stick with those who have chosen the other path, those with criminal records who are not remorseful for what they have done, those who continually break the law?
I tell my kids all the time, you break the law, I will not support you because you know better. Growing up when friends got busted, did I support them? No way....They knew Exactly what they were doing - they broke the law and they paid for it. I don't care if you're my daughter, my mother, my husband, if you did something you know you should not have done, I Will Not Support You. I know this is harsh, but I grew up a certain way and I can disconnect in a heartbeat.

I can understand if a truly innocent man was murdered in cold blood by a police officer, (putting my flame suit on) but he was not truly innocent.....Guilty by association (that's what I teach my kids). The law calls it Acting In Concert. You can be as innocent as a newborn baby, but if a crime is committed and you're with the person who committed the crime, you are guilty of Acting In Concert and the law punishes you accordingly.

The undercover heard one of the perps talking about getting his gun and that's what set that nights' events in motion.
So even if Sean Bell Did not have a gun, Did not have a record, his friends who did have records and according to the undercover were about to appropriate a gun, and an Undercover was purposely struck by the car he was riding in, he is, unfortunately, guilty by association. Had Sean Bell not died of his injuries (or even have been shot) and no other men were injured, he most likely would have been charged with acting in concert.

I'm not an A.D.A., but I am a court reporter who worked these courts, so I'm just telling you this based on my experiences. I might be wrong, but I might be right.
In any case, Al Sharpton should REally stand up for the black community and fight black-on-black crime as well, but there's no glory in that, is there

 

[NYBlue1]

unlike the Amadou Dialo case.

I think you mean louima case.