Would you let your SON dress up as a princess at Disney?

My son and I were visiting a friend with 2 young boys on Halloween. He did not bring a costume, so my friend offered him what she had - a choice of Darth Vader or a flapper. My son is very masculine, so naturally he chose the flapper...
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As you can see, he has the legs to pull off a look like this.

We didn't encounter any judgmental people while trick or treating. In fact, it was hysterical watching the reactions of other people once my son spoke and they realized that he was a boy.

I love this! :thumbsup2
 
I don't know where you live but I'm guessing it's not where I do. :lmao:

I've seen guys in skirts on the street - not every day but it's not so rare I remember when or anything - and it doesn't raise an eyebrow. There was a guy in a summer h.s. program I went to used to like to wear a skirt, no one cared.

As for transvestites, eh, I don't think there's really a lot of whispering or ridicule, heck, many you wouldn't know.

I also think the 'well it might change but not for a long time so don't go along' seems ... odd. How does it change but people not going along? Would you have told your daughters not to wear pants if they wanted to, 100 whatever years ago, because maybe someday it'd change but not in their lifetime?

Would you have told them to just hush about wanting to vote for the same reason?

See you are bringing women's suffrage into this as if this is some big societal issue and that men are out fighting for their right to wear dresses in public. It's not even an issue. Men aren't trying to gain the rights to comfortably wear dresses in public. It has absolutely nothing to do with women's right to vote.

And for the PP who said I must not live where they do, I live in the USA and it is not common here to see a man wear a dress.

And I got news for you, YES YOU CAN tell most of the transvestites. They may not like to think so but you can't really disguise man hands and an Adam's apple. Little kids may not be able to tell but most grown ups can. But that's neither here nor there. My point was they are the ones wearing dresses and they are not accepted so readily in society.
 
Interesting topic. And the only thing that I know for sure after reading all of this is that I'm not sure how I feel.

DS never wanted to wear dresses but I'm not sure how I would feel if he had. I don't like dresses in general though so that probably has an influence. I don't believe that being male and wanting to wear a dress indicates that a person is gay though. Maybe, maybe not. It certainly wouldn't "make" someone gay!

As for societal roles, there's nothing wrong with those up to a point. I value free expression but I also understand that people in general feel more comfortable if people as a group behave certain ways. The only question is where is that line where people can express themselves as they see fit without terrorizing the neighbors. Men wearing dresses seems pretty harmless to me if a bit odd (sorry). But then again, I just don't like dresses.
 
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BUT, he was never set up for being ridiculed and that is what could happen for a young boy dressing in a frilly princess costume at CRT.

Actually, this is where we disagree. Because I think that CRT is quite possibly one of the SAFEST places in the world for a little boy to dress up as a princess. Everyone's distracted by their own families and their own fun. The staff are paid to be nice to you. No one cares about your child. And you're not going to see any of these people ever again.

Just like with gigantic school-aged children stuffed into strollers, there really isn't any serious worry about teasing from other children. And if some "adult" makes a rude comment, your child is likely to be having too good a time to even notice.

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Its just like the "no guns" rule of toys. Boys will make ANYTHING into a gun. Sticks, rocks, blocks even the toy baby bottle! :rotfl:

You are right that kids are attracted to things they think are fun. Its their individual ideas of "fun" that send them toward a certain kind of toy.

In our Canadian town boys and girls turn sticks into swords. Guns really aren't on their radar when they're preschool aged.

I think that while boys do seem to be wired - on average - toward more hands-on play, and girls seem to be wired - on average - toward more verbal play, what they choose to play with is very much determined by the culture they grow up in.

So it is that I've seen plenty of little boys at the local caregiver dropin shoving dolls under their shirts in order to "nurse" them. :laughing:


You have no idea how much I was bullied. Heck, people still have comments to make about my so called "choice". There was no Ellen DeGeneres in the 1970's, no anti-bullying programs in school. My only saving grace was that there was no internet either so home was a refuge. It was the place I could be myself and like what I wanted because my parents made it that way.

They also helped me to understand that it wasn't ever about me. It was about the fears, ignorance and small mindedness of others. They took a lot too from other "well meaning" parents who had much to say about how they should "fix my problem." They knew it wasn't my problem, it wasn't a problem at all-it was the way God made me and God only makes good things.

Word! :thumbsup2

My dd was born blind in one eye and with strabismus, or crossed eyes. She did not have surgery to straighten her eyes until she was 4. She was ridiculed for her eyes, by ADULTS. Never by a child. Should I have kept her home, too? Told her, sorry, you can't go to CRT, stupid people might make fun of your eyes?

There are ignorant and mean people in the world, that's for sure. We can't keep them away from our kids. If someone is low enough to ridicule a child in a princess dress, he's probably low enough to ridicule him for spilling his milk or laughing too loudly at the table. I for one, do what I think is best for my child, regardless of what others think.

And word to this, too! :thumbsup2

And you really and truly cannot see the difference? Really?

If you had been given the choice would you have chosen something for your child to be ridculed over? Of course not! This is something a parent has a choice over.

I actually don't know about that... Would I have chosen to have my daughter born without a birthmark...? I suppose I would have at one point, but now I'm not at all sorry that she was. I believe having to learn to speak up for herself and stand against societal prejudice has made her a stronger, more confident and more compassionate person.

So if someone handed me a time machine today and said, "You can change this!" I would have to say, "No, thanks." (And by the way, my daughter agrees - she says there's no sense messing with time. You might end up someplace worse.)

Besides, you're assuming the child WILL be ridiculed at CRT. That he'll walk in and people will point and sneer and crush his 3yo self. I don't assume any such thing. I have a fair bit of faith in people's natural self-centeredness. I honestly don't believe a bunch of vacationing strangers are going to care one bit what that child is wearing. And I do believe he'll get lots of positive attention and comments about how "pretty" he looks from the servers. That's their job, after all!

Let's turn this around: What if you're eating at CRT with your family-all wearing gender appropriate attire-and you see a family with a boy dressed as a Princess? Do you declare an intervention and take his mother aside to warn her of the danger she is exposing her child to? Do you sit in judgement and discuss the failed parenting with your family? Do you catch the mother and say "Bravo"?

Me-I'm looking for a chance to say to Mom-BRAVO.

Well, honestly, I doubt I'd notice. Clothing choices aren't something that'd ever be on my radar.

However, I did notice a wee little girl singing her own little made up songs on the bus the other day, and her embarrassed mum trying to shush her. I leaned over and tapped the mum on the shoulder, and when she tried to apologize to me I said, "No, no, I just wanted to say that my daughter was the same way when she was little! And now she's a teenager, composing and recording her own songs. She even won a national poetry award."

The woman brightened and said, "Most people find her annoying... But you mean my daughter might grow up to write music."

"She might," I said. "Aw heck, my daughter still goes around singing in public. It's cute." And then I sat back, and enjoyed seeing that mum smile proudly at her daughter all the way down town.

So whatever your inspiration, I think it never hurts to say a kind word. Go for it!

(I'm honestly not worried about anyone abusively forcing a little boy to wear a princess dress against his will at CRT. I think the odds of that happening at so remote, they're not worth worrying about. If I happen to notice a boy in a dress, I think I'm safe assuming it was his choice.)
 

On the Moms panel a mom asked this question of the panel...

"Attending a character dinner with our 3 yo son who sometimes likes to be the prince & sometimes the princess- how will staff react to a boy dressed in the more girlie costumes? Will staff help us find a new seat if other guests make rude comments?"

Would you allow your son to dress up as a princess at Disney? Especially KNOWING ppl are probably going to stare or make comments? Or would you go with the flow and let the little guy be a princess and not care what other ppl say and do?

If my son wanted to wear it then it would be ok with me....I'm used to getting stared at anyway because I'm 6'4 and am always wearing Metal shirts and I'm in an interracial relationship so what is one more reason? The comments wouldn't bother me either due to the aforementioned 6'4 thing, anyone says anything out of line and a good stare their way usually stifles them :goodvibes

As long as something my child wants to do isn't going to put them in harms way they are going to be free to be themselves. I'm a big fan of teaching my future children how to think, learn and do rather than what to think, learn and do. :thumbsup2
 
I can't honestly say what I would do. My ds is 12 so it really isn't an issue any longer. In fact, he won't even wear a pink shirt for breast cancer awareness day. He just doesn't do pink.....then again, neither does his 16 year old sister.

I've discovered that raising a son is a whole different experience from raising a daughter. In many ways, my son is all boy. He loves hunting, fishing, cars, Nascar, trains, planes, 4 wheelin, getting dirty....things typically enjoyed by boys. His mother and father liks most of that stuff too, go figure.

OTOH, he can be a very sensitive young man. He will kill me for saying this, but he still has some stuffed friends he treasures and still sleeps underneath his "blanket". He's not afraid to hug and show affection. Just the other night he cuddled up next to me on the couch and requested some "mommy love". I work at his school and he will come up to be and hug me right in front of all his friends.

My problem is my dad. He is really hard on my ds. Dad only raised girls and was an only child who was raised "tough". It was a far differnt time than what I am raising my son in. Dad is constantly telling my ds to toughen up and act like a man. This started about the time ds was 7. My dh and I don't like it, but really feel there would be some serious issues if we confronted my dad about his behavior. I have mentioned it to my mom and she says that's just the way he is. We just tend to try and find an excuse to leave when my dad goes on one of his rants.

DS is a huggy kid and my dad won't hug him anymore, but will shake his hand. REALLY??? It just makes me sad. That is one area where I will say my in-laws are good, my FIL has no problem hugging his 12 year old grandson who is nearly as tall as he is.

Isn't time as a society that we just dump some of the archaic gender norms. I know others have said this, but it bears repeating.....why can girls do "boy" stuff and it still be so taboo for a boy to like "girl" stuff??? I really don't get it.

I am dating myself a bit, but when I was in grade school we were shown the movie "Free to be, You and me" every year. Remember, "William wants a doll!"? Seriously why is it such a big deal for him to have one??? We're still fighting the same crap 35 years later.

Sadly as a pp stated, kids seem to have far less problem with most of this stuff than the adults. I guess they have more sense.
 
I am not worried that your son will grow up to be an actual ninja so back off

This made me laugh!! I love it! So many ridiculous Halloween costumes really it's for fun who the heck cares?!

My son is only 8 months old but I can honestly say if he wants to dress as a princess, I'll let him. I don't think I'd pony up and let him get the full out makeover in the castle shop, but that's because Momma is cheap. My husband would probably try to put a stop to the dress though. He's a bit more into him being a boy and I'm more into him playing with everything and I am also going to sign him up for jazz class. Little boys need to get their dance on too!! And they need dolls and stuffed animals which I believe encourages them to nurture others. I like that. And if he's gay then so be it. Hopefully he will be a fashionable gay man though cuz Momma needs a stylist! ;)
 
I wonder if the question would even be asked if it was a girl wanting to dress up like a boy -

DD dressed up in full Jack Sparrow garb one year for halloween when she was 5. She even asked me to paint on a beard! Most people thought she was a boy saying things like "Oh look how good his costume is" The photo of her in her costume even got picked up in newspaper about cool costumes.

But the point of my story is that no one even KNEW she was a girl in the COSTUME. That's what it is a costume. It's dress up. Who cares.

You know, I was wondering if anyone would know that it was a girl instead of a boy at three. How could you tell? His voice, at 3 probably not... His haircut, well, little girls have short haircuts, too... Heck, we may have already been seeing little boys in princess dresses, and just not realized they were boys!

I don't have boys, but DD6 likes Star Wars, so my sister made her a padawan outfit for Jedi Training Academy. She wore at princess dress in the morning, then changed into her padawan outfit. After JTA, I asked if she wanted to switch back to her dress, but she chose to stay in her padawan outfit the rest of the day. She got a lot of positive comments from the CMs. Was she wearing a 'boy' costume? Sure, I guess...

If I had a boy, I'm guessing he'd probably play dress-up with his sisters and I wouldn't have a problem with that. I'd probably try to steer him towards more gender-neutral costumes in public until he was older and was prepared to deal with strange looks or comments he might receive. But, if he had his heart set on it and I couldn't easily influence his decision, I wouldn't make a federal case out of it. I'd let him wear the dress.
 
I guess I'm in th minority by far (among those posting anyway). Would I let a young son wear a princess costume - no.

I think people are talking about several things-
-Dressing up as a joke by an older male knowingly (guy as cheerleader)
- wearing a garment like a kilt - though not pants certainly male
- playing with non traditional toys/being in a non traditional job
( girls playing with hot wheels, becoming a construction worker)
- neutralizing or confusing gender differences through dress, actions

I have no problem with the first three items, but still think boys and girls are and should be different. Coming from one of 4 girls who all like block and truck, but only 2 like dolls and barbies. (2 of us very girlie), one tomboy, one off the charts leadership and career wise, but all of us want to be viewed as feminine. From what I see, even the guy in my daughters ballet class wants t be viewed as all boy. ( apparently other countries don't confuse dancing in the ballet with being effeminate)

My thoughts- no matter what you do, gender is inborn
 
I guess I'm in th minority by far (among those posting anyway). Would I let a young son wear a princess costume - no.

I think people are talking about several things-
-Dressing up as a joke by an older male knowingly (guy as cheerleader)
- wearing a garment like a kilt - though not pants certainly male
- playing with non traditional toys/being in a non traditional job
( girls playing with hot wheels, becoming a construction worker)
- neutralizing or confusing gender differences through dress, actions

I have no problem with the first three items, but still think boys and girls are and should be different. Coming from one of 4 girls who all like block and truck, but only 2 like dolls and barbies. (2 of us very girlie), one tomboy, one off the charts leadership and career wise, but all of us want to be viewed as feminine. From what I see, even the guy in my daughters ballet class wants t be viewed as all boy. ( apparently other countries don't confuse dancing in the ballet with being effeminate)

My thoughts- no matter what you do, gender is inborn

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Genders and yes, gender roles exist, whether one wants to wish them away or not. I don't have kids, but if I did, and if I were against gender roles, I certainly wouldn't use one of them as a pawn in my battle against gender roles.

As I and others have said before - when my kid is old enough to make an informed decision to blur the lines between the genders I'll support him or her wholly. Until then, the decision would be mine.
 
Why does anybody start a thread about anything? When someone posts a thread asking about marriage advice you don't really think that woman is going to take advice she was given on a message board and make major life decisions based on what strangers say but she asks and ppl talk about it to give their opinions and discuss why or why not they would or would not do certain things. It's called discussion. One side doesn't have to be right to have successful discussion. Thinking that is actually not very open minded to even have to ask.
What is it with the fixation on "open-mindedness"? :rotfl: I never said I was open-minded, so please don't pretend it's even relevent, never mind a huge stretch to say open-mindedness applies to people's perceptions of the reasons behind starting threads on internet message boards.

Also, it's pretty disingenuous to pretend this thread is just about "discussion" and no one is right and no one is wrong, after you've already posted comments like
So why put the kid through that? Tell him he can play princess back in the hotel room but for dinner let's be a prince or a pirate tonight. You think ppl ridiculing a 3 yr old is less destructive than a mom telling the boy NO he can't wear a dress in public? That makes no sense.

I think that's part of the problem with most kids today is the parents are letting them decide things at too early of an age when they are not equipped to know what is the best or right thing to do. As parents we are suppose to decide what is right and appropriate for our children until they are bigger and can make logical, informed decisions. A 3 yr old can't make those kinds of decisions. I wouldn't even let a 3 yr old pick their own clothes. Parents are suppose to PARENT, not be the kid's buddy or best friend or playmate. We have a role to guide them in the way society says is appropriate. If when they are OLDER and they decide they want to be different or do something that is not considered appropriate according to societal norms, then they know what they are getting themselves into and can deal with what happens from the choices they make.

But see THAT IS THE POINT you are SUPPOSE to pad every corner for a 3 yr old. It is YOUR JOB as a parent to protect them until they are old enough to handle themselves in the world. Whether that be 12 or that be 18. It is a parent's JOB. What can you teach a 3 yr old about OTHER PPL being @$$h0les by allowing them to be ridiculed at such a young age? You think that's more healthy than simply telling the kid NO you can't wear a princess dress to lunch. Period. Do you have to reason with a 3 yr old and explain to them how society is and what ppl may say or do if they wear a dress? No. They are 3. They may want skittles for breakfast, and they may very well THROW A FIT when you say no. But that doesn't keep you from saying no to that.
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It's not stifling your child it is just making a parenting decision...

I guess it's only wrong to have an opinion when it differs from yours. ;)
 
What is it with the fixation on "open-mindedness"? :rotfl: I never said I was open-minded, so please don't pretend it's even relevent, never mind a huge stretch to say open-mindedness applies to people's perceptions of the reasons behind starting threads on internet message boards.

Also, it's pretty disingenuous to pretend this thread is just about "discussion" and no one is right and no one is wrong, after you've already posted comments like





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I guess it's only wrong to have an opinion when it differs from yours. ;)

Just because I express my opinion doesn't mean my opinion is any more right than yours. I think you want your way to be the right way and it's not that clear cut.

Show me MY QUOTE where I said anybody's opinion was wrong! You are just making stuff up now. Still doesn't make you or me right. Our opinions are what they are.
 
See you are bringing women's suffrage into this as if this is some big societal issue and that men are out fighting for their right to wear dresses in public. It's not even an issue. Men aren't trying to gain the rights to comfortably wear dresses in public. It has absolutely nothing to do with women's right to vote.

No, but people in this country are fighting for the right not to be judged and to live their lives as they see fit.

And I got news for you, YES YOU CAN tell most of the transvestites. They may not like to think so but you can't really disguise man hands and an Adam's apple. Little kids may not be able to tell but most grown ups can. But that's neither here nor there. My point was they are the ones wearing dresses and they are not accepted so readily in society.

:rotfl: Oh hon. That just means you've noticed a few, not every last one of them. I've had trans friends who were way more feminine than me. No one ever knew. Biology is a funny thing -- not all men are covered in hair and have giant adam's apples and not all women are petite little things with dainty hands.

Not that trans folk have anything to do with this discussion, really. The topic of discussion was whether or not it's okay for a little boy to wear a costume in public, which is a pretty silly thing for adults to argue about, isn't it? :upsidedow
 
Just because I express my opinion doesn't mean my opinion is any more right than yours.

I really fail to see why people are arguing to begin with.

OP asked "Would YOU let YOUR SON dress up as a princess at Disney?"

No. I would not let my son dress up as a princess. Does that mean parents who do are evil or the kid is weird?

No. It just means I wouldn't let MY son do it. That's it. Period.

Now if OP asked "Would you openly mock a boy dressed as a girl?", there would be an argument. I don't think anyone is saying that. At least I hope not.
 
Just because I express my opinion doesn't mean my opinion is any more right than yours. I think you want your way to be the right way and it's not that clear cut.

Show me MY QUOTE where I said anybody's opinion was wrong! You are just making stuff up now. Still doesn't make you or me right. Our opinions are what they are.
You really don't see your hypocrisy, do you? :confused3

Everyone is sharing opinions. In doing so, everyone is implying that the opposite opinion is wrong. (Or no one is, depending on how you look at it.) No one on either side has come out and said "YOU ARE WRONG!" in those exact words (that I recall. I will gladly apologize if someone can quote someone for me. :)) You are telling people their opinions "make no sense", and that their parenting decisions are not "parenting", but being a "buddy". How does that differ from whatever statements you perceive as telling you that you are wrong?
 
Honestly, probably not. *flame suit on*
 
You really don't see your hypocrisy, do you? :confused3

Everyone is sharing opinions. In doing so, everyone is implying that the opposite opinion is wrong. (Or no one is, depending on how you look at it.) No one on either side has come out and said "YOU ARE WRONG!" in those exact words (that I recall. I will gladly apologize if someone can quote someone for me. :)) You are telling people their opinions "make no sense", and that their parenting decisions are not "parenting", but being a "buddy". How does that differ from whatever statements you perceive as telling you that you are wrong?

You clearly don't understand the concept of debate.

It's no different than talking about breast vs formula or disposable vs cloth. Each side has on opinion but that doesn't make either side right or wrong. It's not always that simple. Just because I argue my side/my opinion, that does NOT mean I am telling you that you are wrong. Obviously you are admitting that you DO think the ppl who don't agree with YOU are wrong since that seems to be the rules for how you think a debate goes.
 
And what is crunchy? :confused:

Crunchy is a slang term for ppl who use attachment parenting, use cloth diapers, breast feed, do organic foods, grow their own baby food vegetables etc. Not necessarily all of those and there are a lot of other things that can be considered crunchy but it seems to be a fad because even ppl on Facebook and Twitter proudly call themselves crunchy. It's more of a hippie parenting style.
 













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