Unfair :(

[robpa]

Paris is not WDW, where Cast Members are being trained on this new system. Anyway, I am 90% sure that the commenter who said that probably doesn't even have DVC or a wife. People say stuff on the internet to get a rise out of others.

You were just responding to the poster who said he was going to do that.

 

[butterflygirl812]

So now you have gotten to a very fundamental premise of why the people that stay offsite are upset. They(for the time being) are taking away one of their perks(legacy fastpass) Their perceived value has diminished. Doesn't Disney advertise about being immersed in the magic 24/7 when they push their rooms? If so they are trying to make it a perk of staying on property. Also I know they push the transportation as a perk but not everyone values that but it is still a perk to resort guests according to Disney. I guess I'm just trying to say you can take something of value or that adds value and call it a perk. For you, convenience is a value to your stay but couldn't Disney spin that as a perk of staying onsite?(a perk that doesn't cost them anything, but may make someone happy)

I can understand off site people being upset because FPP has affected the number of regular FP still available. I don't think id go so far as to say it has been taken away, as the legacy machines are still there and usable. But I will concur that FPP has made it more difficult for off siters at this point in time. That is an issue that Disney will need to consider how they are going to address as it moves forward with implementation.

Disney does advertise immersion as value, and probably spins it as a perk. Some people will buy into that, others won't. For myself, I don't care if Disney tries to spin convenience as a perk, it's my personal experience that has made it a perk for us, not what Disney may have said about it.

 

[robpa]

I can understand off site people being upset because FPP has affected the number of regular FP still available. I don't think id go so far as to say it has been taken away, as the legacy machines are still there and usable. But I will concur that FPP has made it more difficult for off siters at this point in time. That is an issue that Disney will need to consider how they are going to address as it moves forward with implementation.

Disney does advertise immersion as value, and probably spins it as a perk. Some people will buy into that, others won't. For myself, I don't care if Disney tries to spin convenience as a perk, it's my personal experience that has made it a perk for us, not what Disney may have said about it.

Word on the street is that legacy machines will be gone. Disney is spinning it for first timers not repeat customers anyway so that is why you wouldn't think of it as a perk. Lets just say that it is a fine line between value and perk. You said in earlier post convenience was a value to you and in this post you said it was a perk for you.

 

[wdwfanatic80]

What I would like to see WDW offer is 3 FP for off site 4 for value 5 for mod and 6 for deluxe. I think AP holders should get 5 or 6 b/c they are loyal customers.

You should then get to purchase additional FP to add on to your ticket in advance. Maybe up to 10 total per day. They could offer incentives such as book now get double the fp at your resort or buy your ticket now and get 2 extra fp. The options are endless and everybody gets a some....those who want to can buy more. It gives all a happy experience.

Less for offsite I agree with. Less FP+ based on your level of resort I do not agree with. We stay at all levels, but iin recent years have chosen Pop, mainly because we are in the parks from open to close. We also like the theming there and how very kid friendly it is. I am sick of the elitist attitudes of those that stay in deluxes.

 

[JMW123]

Chances are, this guy is completely BS'ing us. No way would anyone pack 30 room only cards and use them without getting caught and kicked out. Let him try it.

I am not stupid, I am not going to put 30 cards in at once, we already have them split up into packs with a pouch for each pack. I take a few to one attraction, my wife takes a few to a different line for the same attraction, then we go to another attraction and repeat. I am guessing that no one is going to be hounding 1 person for putting in 8 or less cards, the average runner in the old system always had 5 to 10 cards. Not too mention, if a CM was to say something, once they see my DVC membership card, my annual pass (multiple times renewed), my TIW card, my disney credit card, etc... Do you really think they are going to value an offsiter's perceived slight over my loyalty. I am in this situation because I am one of Disney's best customers, they understand that and they value that, business 101, 80% of your revenue comes from 20% of your customers. That is why the whole FP+ thing came around to start with. They also know that they can get enough incremental money out of extremely satisfied good on-site customers like me to offset the losses of any customers who spend nothing more than park entrance.

I get why off-siters are mad and I sympathize, but I just consider this a Disney gift for my years for loyalty. Who knows what the future holds, but Disney set up the rules to the game and the coding in the machines, so it is what it is. Hate me, wish you were in my situation, or be indifferent, I am just trying to bring to the table the reality of what is happening and explaining how the position I am in today is directly correlated to the amount of money I have spent on Disney in the past, and yes Disney knows that.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

I am not stupid, I am not going to put 30 cards in at once, we already have them split up into packs with a pouch for each pack. I take a few to one attraction, my wife takes a few to a different line for the same attraction, then we go to another attraction and repeat. I am guessing that no one is going to be hounding 1 person for putting in 8 or less cards, the average runner in the old system always had 5 to 10 cards. Not too mention, if a CM was to say something, once they see my DVC membership card, my annual pass (multiple times renewed), my TIW card, my disney credit card, etc... Do you really think they are going to value an offsiter's perceived slight over my loyalty. I am in this situation because I am one of Disney's best customers, they understand that and they value that, business 101, 80% of your revenue comes from 20% of your customers. That is why the whole FP+ thing came around to start with. They also know that they can get enough incremental money out of extremely satisfied good on-site customers like me to offset the losses of any customers who spend nothing more than park entrance.

I get why off-siters are mad and I sympathize, but I just consider this a Disney gift for my years for loyalty. Who knows what the future holds, but Disney set up the rules to the game and the coding in the machines, so it is what it is. Hate me, wish you were in my situation, or be indifferent, I am just trying to bring to the table the reality of what is happening and explaining how the position I am in today is directly correlated to the amount of money I have spent on Disney in the past, and yes Disney knows that.

Yeah, no offense, I don't believe you. But if you are telling the truth, hey, karma comes back to you, bro.

 

[Dallydown]

Less for offsite I agree with. Less FP+ based on your level of resort I do not agree with. We stay at all levels, but iin recent years have chosen Pop, mainly because we are in the parks from open to close. We also like the theming there and how very kid friendly it is. I am sick of the elitist attitudes of those that stay in deluxes.

So lets see. You are sick of those that pay more than you. I guess you also demand free access to CL because you think, as being a good communist, everyone is entitled to the same perks?

 

[robpa]

I am not stupid, I am not going to put 30 cards in at once, we already have them split up into packs with a pouch for each pack. I take a few to one attraction, my wife takes a few to a different line for the same attraction, then we go to another attraction and repeat. I am guessing that no one is going to be hounding 1 person for putting in 8 or less cards, the average runner in the old system always had 5 to 10 cards. Not too mention, if a CM was to say something, once they see my DVC membership card, my annual pass (multiple times renewed), my TIW card, my disney credit card, etc... Do you really think they are going to value an offsiter's perceived slight over my loyalty. I am in this situation because I am one of Disney's best customers, they understand that and they value that, business 101, 80% of your revenue comes from 20% of your customers. That is why the whole FP+ thing came around to start with. They also know that they can get enough incremental money out of extremely satisfied good on-site customers like me to offset the losses of any customers who spend nothing more than park entrance.

I get why off-siters are mad and I sympathize, but I just consider this a Disney gift for my years for loyalty. Who knows what the future holds, but Disney set up the rules to the game and the coding in the machines, so it is what it is. Hate me, wish you were in my situation, or be indifferent, I am just trying to bring to the table the reality of what is happening and explaining how the position I am in today is directly correlated to the amount of money I have spent on Disney in the past, and yes Disney knows that.

Will you come back on here and honestly say what happened? You know if it worked or not? I am intrigued.

 

[BigAlsGal]

So this is your perk then for staying onsite, correct ?

One of many!!! Your argument is silly though. I own a business and of course I'm going to give more perks to the people who spend more money with me. I can't stand it when people are constantly trying to pinch a penny with me and then expect me to bend over backwards for them. Puh-leese..

 

[Dallydown]

Yeah, no offense, I don't believe you. But if you are telling the truth, hey, karma comes back to you, bro.

Karma? really?
Wow Voodoo on its best.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Karma? really?
Wow Voodoo on its best.

Seriously, you have less than 20 posts here. You're either a troll or a teenager. Go away.

 

[butterflygirl812]

Word on the street is that legacy machines will be gone. Disney is spinning it for first timers not repeat customers anyway so that is why you wouldn't think of it as a perk. Lets just say that it is a fine line between value and perk. You said in earlier post convenience was a value to you and in this post you said it was a perk for you.

I realized I said that after I hit send! Throwing those words around too much, I suppose.
You are absolutely right, there is an incredibly thin line between value and perk. People just have to look at the whole package, whatever that may be for them, and in the end, go with whatever holds the most value for them.

About those legacy machines.....it would suck if they disappear, especially if that capability isn't incorporated into MBs (meaning, I could see pulling legacy FP by using MBs, not KTTW). But I'm desperately trying to hold my speculations on this in check until Disney actually releases a statement of intent in regards to legacy FP. It's not easy to do that when reading DIS!

 

[zetachi]

I am not stupid, I am not going to put 30 cards in at once, we already have them split up into packs with a pouch for each pack. I take a few to one attraction, my wife takes a few to a different line for the same attraction, then we go to another attraction and repeat. I am guessing that no one is going to be hounding 1 person for putting in 8 or less cards, the average runner in the old system always had 5 to 10 cards. Not too mention, if a CM was to say something, once they see my DVC membership card, my annual pass (multiple times renewed), my TIW card, my disney credit card, etc... Do you really think they are going to value an offsiter's perceived slight over my loyalty. I am in this situation because I am one of Disney's best customers, they understand that and they value that, business 101, 80% of your revenue comes from 20% of your customers. That is why the whole FP+ thing came around to start with. They also know that they can get enough incremental money out of extremely satisfied good on-site customers like me to offset the losses of any customers who spend nothing more than park entrance.

I get why off-siters are mad and I sympathize, but I just consider this a Disney gift for my years for loyalty. Who knows what the future holds, but Disney set up the rules to the game and the coding in the machines, so it is what it is. Hate me, wish you were in my situation, or be indifferent, I am just trying to bring to the table the reality of what is happening and explaining how the position I am in today is directly correlated to the amount of money I have spent on Disney in the past, and yes Disney knows that.

hmm so If Disney meant you to have this "perk" of using 30 old cards then why do you feel the need to break them up into packs to scam the system that you so rightfully deserve?

double speak for I know what I'm doing is wrong, Disney knows what I'm doing is wrong so let me not get caught by thinking of a way to scam the system.

 

[JMW123]

You, sir, are not on the RIGHT side of anything. In fact, I was so enraged by the thought of anyone doing this, I had to wait a few hours to even respond, as I'm sure my original thoughts would undoubtedly get me kicked off of the boards for language alone.

I have NO issues with you using your current KTTW card. But THIRTY old ones??! Really?? You do realize you are basically stealing, correct? Just because you are ABLE to, does not make it right by any means. And honestly, you are not even screwing over Disney, you are screwing over the off-site guests (by hoarding fp's, thus making even less available for them), AND on-site (by making them wait and wait while waiting for YOU to feed THIRTY tickets into the machine!). I'm sorry.....but WHY would you feel this is OK?!

I am usually not a pushy person by any means, I am go-with-the-flow individual. I may curse someone under my breathe if I see them being rude or taking advantage, RARELY will a make a fuss. But..... I can tell you right now, if I am standing in line and see you, or anyone else, feeding a multitude of tickets into the fp- machine, I will not hesitate to find the nearest CM and make a h*** of a stink!!

I am sorry you are enraged, I would be to if I were in your shoes. Disney knows your upset too, but they value my $10 that goes to them for every $1 you spend on them. Your money is going to other hotels and restaurants offsite, mine goes 100% to them. Do you realize how much money all those keys cost? It is not like they "fell of the back of a truck". Stealing is taking something, I bought those keys and worked hard to do it.

And you are right, I am not screwing over Disney, nor would I, I really like Disney and have no problem giving them my money. In turn, they have given me this opportunity, and yes off-siters are at the losing end of this opportunity, but again this is by Disney design, not by my choice.

I travel for business quite a bit as well and I have some lofty loyalty status with hotels and airlines. Is it me stealing from the other 1 time guests at a hotel or airline when I sit in first class or get a complimentary suite, all while paying less than them and using my loyalty status? Nothing is by accident when a large well run company makes decisions and sets up the rules of the game.

 

[FLchick415]

I mostly just don't understand how this would be logistically possible. If you use one KTTW to pull a FP, and then use a second to pull another...wouldn't the return times be the same? What be the point of it then?

 

[Tamiami]

Yeah, no offense, I don't believe you. But if you are telling the truth, hey, karma comes back to you, bro.

Exactly!! What a horrible way to live.... taking, taking, taking.

 

[Dallydown]

Seriously, you have less than 20 posts here. You're either a troll or a teenager. Go away.

So you have almost seven thousand post and a big green jealous monkey on your shoulder.

 

[Dallydown]

I mostly just don't understand how this would be logistically possible. If you use one KTTW to pull a FP, and then use a second to pull another...wouldn't the return times be the same? What be the point of it then?

Just looping a ride.

 

[Planogirl]

So lets see. You are sick of those that pay more than you. I guess you also demand free access to CL because you think, as being a good communist, everyone is entitled to the same perks?

Stirring the pot really isn't necessary. Things are already heated enough around here.

You go on about wanting more perks than you used to have but chances are you will get them because perks that others got are being taken away. Something being taken away will always bother people, it's just logical.

We don't know how this will all play out yet but right now it appears that offsite visitors have lost something. That can be perceived as unfair but of course people being what they often are just want more and more even at the expense of others. Just human nature.

 

[robpa]

One of many!!! Your argument is silly though. I own a business and of course I'm going to give more perks to the people who spend more money with me. I can't stand it when people are constantly trying to pinch a penny with me and then expect me to bend over backwards for them. Puh-leese..

Its not an argument, I'm just trying to see what people feel is a perk. Obviously you stay onsite so what has changed that makes you feel a need for more perks? I mean you felt the perks they already have in place are adequate since you have stayed onsite.They didn't subtract any did they?