There isn't any Disney Magic in this process!!

[JimmyV]

I still think 60/30. I strongly disagree that your 30/10 is better. Above are just a few reasons.

Meh. I don't think people link their expenditures to their FPs for PoTC in the way that you imagine. Besides. Just as strongly as you believe that the window should be longer than the final payment time, I feel just as strongly that FPs should only be available to on site guests who are committed to going and who have passed the final payment window. Reward those who have stepped up. Don't bog the system down with people who are still "maybes".

As for 10 being too short...FP- was day of. For everyone. And the world didn't stop spinning on its axis. There is no way (in my world) that 10 days is "last minute". In a world of instant communication and where "yesterday" is, well, "so yesterday", 10 days is plenty of time in which to find 10 minutes to book some FPs. You are falling into the trap of forcing yourself to believe that because Disney picked it, it must be the right answer.

 

[jade1]

You only need it for A&E. As I type this, there is still 30 day availability for 7DMT, let alone 60-day.
http://www.thedibb.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=835236

 

[Laketravis]

Inevitably, these threads always get off course from the original topic at hand, which was being discussed reasonably until about page 4 or so with the appearance of "the usual suspects".....

To be accurate, it looks like "the usual suspects" showed up on page 2.




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[DisneyKidds]

I took the liberty of not including your sarcastic comments so that the importance of the rest of your comments wasn't lost.

I'm sorry, did somebody put something sarcastic in one of my posts? I surely didn't....

Yes, we've all seen how the 'wonderful' FP+ system is going to 'work for you', get you away from WDW, save you mucho dinero, slim your thighs, and apparently save the life of someone you know!

 

[Angel Ariel]

All the OP said was that the process of booking at midnight was not magical. She didn't say FP+ sucked, she didn't say it was terrible. Just that it was not magical. It should be acceptable to voice this opinion. Disney isn't 100% magical all the time. There's nothing wrong with stating that.

 

[kbelle8995]

I actually tried FP+ and you know what. I didn care for it at all. Not the way I like to tour.

 

[MrInfinity]

Meh. I don't think people link their expenditures to their FPs for PoTC in the way that you imagine. Besides. Just as strongly as you believe that the window should be longer than the final payment time, I feel just as strongly that FPs should only be available to on site guests who are committed to going and who have passed the final payment window. Reward those who have stepped up. Don't bog the system down with people who are still "maybes".

As for 10 being too short...FP- was day of. For everyone. And the world didn't stop spinning on its axis. There is no way (in my world) that 10 days is "last minute". In a world of instant communication and where "yesterday" is, well, "so yesterday", 10 days is plenty of time in which to find 10 minutes to book some FPs. You are falling into the trap of forcing yourself to believe that because Disney picked it, it must be the right answer.

"Meh"? That's it? You suggest a better timing... you give nothing to back it up... I tell you why I think the status quo timing is better, and detail out why, and your response is "meh". Okay then.

Jimmy you're missing the point on "bogging it down with the maybes". You want to bog it down w the maybes. Having people pick some rides is more likely to convert them from maybe-turned-no to maybe-turned-yes. Rasulo stated this in their conf call from, I think it was Sep. MM+ has the effect of getting families to invest mentally in their trips further in advance. This leads to them embracing what they'll be doing and when, and as a result, staying longer. You may disagree. But you provide no real argument.

FP- was day of. FP- was a failure. It was scantily used, and those that did use it (myself included) got all the benefit. It was horrible from a system standpoint. Being "more like FP-" is in no way a good thing, unless you are suggesting that you should get 5 Fast Passes to Test Track, but then you should be able to tell me which 5 guests do not get any so the numbers can work out.

Um... go back and read my post. Nowhere did I say that it was the right answer because Disney picked it. I said if you have 200 people pick one of those 5 times, you'll get a standard distribution of answers. They will be varied. I agree that Disney chose as good a number as any, and you have yet to show why your idea would be better. I don't really want to argue it, it's just like... you want to make a claim that their number is bad, but your reason is that it's because FP- was day-of. [shrug]

 

[mom2rtk]

I actually tried FP+ and you know what. I didn care for it at all. Not the way I like to tour.

I hear that happens.

I hope you had a great trip anyway.

 

[BugsDaddy]

All the OP said was that the process of booking at midnight was not magical. She didn't say FP+ sucked, she didn't say it was terrible. Just that it was not magical. It should be acceptable to voice this opinion. Disney isn't 100% magical all the time. There's nothing wrong with stating that.

I am not sure where anyone said it was not acceptable for the OP to express their opinion. In fact, please point out where that happened? Expressing an opposite opinion doesn't in itself invalidate the first. If a lot of people happen to share that opinion, then you have a consensus. It still doesn't mean that the OP's opinion is any less valid.

The part I have an issue with is some posters who constantly spread misinformation as if it were fact. Not speaking of you but I am sure they know who they are.

 

[Laketravis]

I'm sorry, did somebody put something sarcastic in one of my posts? I surely didn't....

Yes, we've all seen how the 'wonderful' FP+ system is going to 'work for you', get you away from WDW, save you mucho dinero, slim your thighs, and apparently save the life of someone you know!

And believe it or not, that is all true. Because thanks to FP, we've figured out how to minimize our time in the park while still deriving the same results so my thighs are slim because I'm not going to be eating that fattening park food while I'm standing around waiting in line, it saved my life because DW would have killed me if I had continued to spend as much as I did every time we went to WDW while it seemed like we were doing less so not only am I going to save "mucho dinero" and get more done I'm willing to show others how to do so as well.

What I'm not sure about is why anyone would have a problem with that. But then, I don't really care if they do.


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[shalom]

Otherwise, if FP is at 30, when 45 hits, people might think... Oh, money is tight, and we have 2 days at Epcot, so we can cut that down to 1 day, shave off here, and pay $4,400 instead. Done. But... by it being 60, now the thought is... "Oh, money is tight, and we have this day where we're doing Soarin, Nemo, and Figment, and this day where we're doing Test Track, Mission, and Spaceship... which should we cut... hmm... nothing really works. Ok we'll keep it. Pay $5,000.

Hadn't considered that line of reasoning, but it makes perfect sense. I wouldn't think many people would fiddle with their length of stay much, because they'd have to change their flights, but the numbers Disney deals in, there's got to be a lot of people who drive or who're otherwise flexible with their travel time, certainly enough that this line of reasoning could have an impact. And definitely kicking up the anticipation by forced scheduling could lower the amount of "buyer's remorse" people are likely to feel when the bills hit, which could translate to fewer people cancelling entirely.

I've always thought it insane that ADRs are so far out (and even then you don't get a proper reservation, but might still have a considerable wait -- really? ), but that being the case, the FP+ reservation window seemed pretty reasonable to me. Although the fact that I have a much better idea about which attractions I want than I do how hungry I'll be/what might sounds good some months in the future probably means I'm also more flexible on that front.

 

[JimmyV]

"Meh"? That's it? You suggest a better timing... you give nothing to back it up... I tell you why I think the status quo timing is better, and detail out why, and your response is "meh". Okay then.

Try reading the sentence after "meh". You think one way. I think another. Neither of us has anything to "back up" our positions. They are opinions. You think people factor their already booked FPs into their decision to make their final payment. I do not.

Jimmy you're missing the point on "bogging it down with the maybes". You want to bog it down w the maybes.

No. I most certainly do not. Not when people are having a hard time booking and when people are having FPs pulled out from underneath them.

Rasulo stated this in their conf call from, I think it was Sep. MM+ has the effect of getting families to invest mentally in their trips further in advance. This leads to them embracing what they'll be doing and when, and as a result, staying longer. You may disagree. But you provide no real argument.

Words. Just words. To the extent that he said that MM+ "has the effect of getting families to invest mentally in their trips further in advance", break this down. First, he said MM+. Not FP+. Second. He said "further in advance." Further as compared to what? Isn't 30 days further in advance of 5? Wouldn't 200 days be further in advance of 60? Did he say that 60 was the scientifically perfect number? My 30 would make his statement just as true, assuming it is true at all.

FP- was day of. FP- was a failure.

And you take me to task for an unsupportable argument? Where is the proof in this? There is an adage in the laws of evidence that subsequent remedial measures are not admissible to prove the insufficiency of the former system/product/process. Change does not prove failure.

Nowhere did I say that it was the right answer because Disney picked it.

You didn't say it. And I never said that you did. But that does not mean that you do not feel that way.

I agree that Disney chose as good a number as any, and you have yet to show why your idea would be better.

I have supplied my reasoning. (Final payment and FP+ are unlinkable. 10 days is an eternity in today's world). You just don't want to address those reasons, or simply don't agree with them. But don't accuse me of not supplying them.

 

[trainingupmy4princes]

I still don't understand why Disney can't:
1. Notify guests of the date and time their FP booking window will open when guests register in MDE.
2. Have the FP booking window open at the same time daily. Maybe 9pm EST?
3. Have ADR's and FP's open on the same day so that guest can book everything at once.

IMO if Disney implemented these changes, it would really improve the guest experience.

I think that combining ADR's and FP+ on the same day would make the situation worse. With their IT problems, I'm not sure the system could even handle that much activity. I also would be trying to decide which to book first hard to get FP like A & E or hard to get ADR's.

 

[flicx]

FP- was a failure. [shrug]

The part I have an issue with is some posters who constantly spread misinformation as if it were fact. Not speaking of you but I am sure they know who they are.

You mean like the quote above?

 

[mom2rtk]

I think that combining ADR's and FP+ on the same day would make the situation worse. With their IT problems, I'm not sure the system could even handle that much activity. I also would be trying to decide which to book first hard to get FP like A & E or hard to get ADR's.

I'm not sure that matters. Somebody's ADR date is already coinciding with someone else's FP date. This would just make them the same person.

 

[JimmyV]

I'm not sure that matters. Somebody's ADR date is already coinciding with someone else's FP date. This would just make them the same person.

It's scary how many people don't get this. Same with the 60/30. I have seen it suggested that this was done so as not to overburden the system with all the guests at the same time. But your reasoning above applies equally to that situation, once the system was up and running for the first 30 days.

 

[BugsDaddy]

You mean like the quote above?

Wherever the misinformation comes from. What is your point? To be divisive?

 

[Laketravis]

Isn't it wonderful that people can post their opinions and experiences here and not get attacked, ridiculed, or chastised for doing so?

It's a pleasure to see how opposing views and opinions can be discussed in a rational and constructive manner.



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[BugsDaddy]

I'm not sure that matters. Somebody's ADR date is already coinciding with someone else's FP date. This would just make them the same person.

I think the part of the point they were trying to make is that it would be taxing on the person trying to make all those reservations on the same day. The system would be fine.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I'm not sure that matters. Somebody's ADR date is already coinciding with someone else's FP date. This would just make them the same person.

That person would need to be ambidextrous with both sides of the brain operating logically (vs. creatively) for being able to book FP+ and ADRs simultaneously to be advantageous.