The Running Thread - 2021

[Dis5150]

I was curious, so I Googled. Oddly enough your exact question was posted on Quora! This was the response:

1 acre is 43,560 square feet.

5 acres is 217,800 square feet.

The number of laps will depend on the shape of the enclosure.

Assuming a circular enclosure, the smallest enclosure for the 5 acres, the circumference is 1,654 feet.

1 mile is 5,280 feet.

There are 3.19 laps to a mile on a circular track.

Assuming a square track, the perimeter is 1,867 feet.

There are 2.83 laps to a mile on a square track.


Since it's not either of those shapes, it's probably somewhere in between. Maybe you could go out and walk or jog the route you want and measure with Garmin or Phone GPS to get a rough idea?

ETA: It's very cool he's doing that for you!

Lol, yes I Googled it to and read that and still can't figure it out lol. I am an accountant but can't figure anything but square feet out.

And it is very nice of him! Plus he gets to play on his new toy.

ETA: Maybe around 2.5-3 laps to equal a mile? Am I mathing correctly lol?

 

[MissLiss279]

Lol, yes I Googled it to and read that and still can't figure it out lol. I am an accountant but can't figure anything but square feet out.

And it is very nice of him! Plus he gets to play on his new toy.

Get on MapMyRun (or Garmin Connect - courses),
make sure to uncheck ‘follow roads’,
and then route your path approximately where you think it will go on your land to get the distance of on lap.

 

[DopeyBadger]

So we had the opportunity to buy some of the surrounding land around our property and increase our property to 5 acres. DH has offered to make me a running path around the perimeter with his new tractor... I don't run on our roads due to no shoulder, fast cars, etc. and usually have to stay late at work to run the roads there, or drive out to the local state park, so it is tempting to have him do it.

I am looking for input/suggestions? It would be a dirt path, packed down as much as he is able. And for any of our math smarties, any ideas how many laps I would have to run to equal a mile? I know it depends on the shape of the acreage, ours is semi-oval, triangularish, lol? Looking at it on a map, it is wider at the bottom than the top. Thanks in advance to anyone who can offer input.

PM me the address and approximate path and I can use Google Maps to get a very accurate measurement for you.

 

[Dis5150]

Get on MapMyRun,
make sure to uncheck ‘follow roads’,
and then route your path approximately where you think it will go on your land to get the distance of on lap.

I will do that, thanks! Unfortunately I can't until he at least starts clearing it as it is very overgrown. So I was just trying to ballpark it so I would know if it was worth the trouble for him? But it sounds like it would be. And my property is way prettier than running around a track!

 

[opusone]

ETA: Maybe around 2.5-3 laps to equal a mile? Am I mathing correctly lol?

It will probably be more like 3+ laps per mile since the trail will not likely be on the exact perimeter of the land.

ETA: fun project BTW

 

[Dis5150]

It will probably be more like 3+ laps per mile since the trail will not likely be on the exact perimeter of the land.

ETA: fun project BTW

Lol, you don't know my DH! They are clearing the property all around us of all the pines (95 acres of pine forest). The person we bought our house/property from owns a timber company and just recently sold it to a developer. So he offered us some more acreage to put more space between us and the new places that will be built. DH hates that they are going to build around us! We live in the COUNTRY, lol! So he has been going out every night after work to clear the debris that harvesting timber leaves, to give us a clear property line. He will mark it and put the track right around that line.

 

[DopeyBadger]

For the curious minds, @Dis5150's track will come out to 565-710m per lap (or 2.25-2.85 laps per mile) depending on their final path choice per Google Maps.

 

[Jules76126]

@garneska I am very sorry for your loss. It is never easy saying goodbye to our furry friends.

 

[FFigawi]

@Dis5150 have you thought about making the path a distance you can use for intervals? I’d rather have one at 400m or 500m, which can also be marked off for 200m, than one that’s a more random distance of the longest you can get.

 

[FFigawi]

Hey @DopeyBadger - what do you know about the CORE device which monitors core body temperature, and how to use that data in training & racing? This thread on Slowtwitch has me thisclose to ordering one

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/..._During_Training_Here’s_How_it_Went_P7560840/

 

[avondale]

I will do that, thanks! Unfortunately I can't until he at least starts clearing it as it is very overgrown. So I was just trying to ballpark it so I would know if it was worth the trouble for him? But it sounds like it would be. And my property is way prettier than running around a track!

Sounds like a great idea!

Eventually you can get into obstacle course racing and he can start building obstacles for you: hills, mud pits, a rope to swing across a moat, and so on. There would be no end to the creativity!

 

[DopeyBadger]

Hey @DopeyBadger - what do you know about the CORE device which monitors core body temperature, and how to use that data in training & racing? This thread on Slowtwitch has me thisclose to ordering one

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/..._During_Training_Here’s_How_it_Went_P7560840/

You know me. I love my data. I got an email from "The Feed" back in October 2020 about it.






It got me curious about it since I'm a big believer in the effects of heat training/acclimation/adjustment just like elevation training. Two things initially stopped me from purchasing and pursuing information further:

1) The use of either a HR strap or medical grade adhesive patch. I used to use a HR strap long ago for a good while, but developed a pretty nice sore from it. It's since healed, but it makes me apprehensive about going back to it. Although it appears the device resides on the side moreso than the middle of the chest. The adhesive patches are more desirable to me, but seem cost prohibitive at $7 per 8 patches. It looks like they've since come out with an arm strap since what I remember seeing. Now that's something I could get behind, but even their own site says that the accuracy on the arm is lower. So then is it worth it?

2) The initial cost of the product is $250. So I'd weigh that against what actionable data I would get from the device. Is it like GCT on Garmin devices which is a good measurement, but how much are you going to change things based on this value? Or is it like HR which if used correctly can show actionable trends over the short/long term? Or like wattage for running, which might not be quite there yet, but provides instantaneous feedback that's actionable?

I remember watching the Olympic Mens triathlon and finding the eventual winner's outfit choice interesting. That sheer white with practically visible everything except for the underwear. Now after visiting CORE it looks like they had actionable evidence as to which outfit was providing the best body heat response (link). Here's a DCRainmaker article as well (link).

While the core temp in heat was interesting, I don't encounter it that often in WI. However, I would be curious about the opposite direction. Because I do tend to train in some pretty darn cold environments (as low as -40F wind chill). And I'd be curious to see where that takes my core body temp. And then prep for warm weather races and heat acclimation training effects. As well as I'd probably use it to track performance in races and the relationship seen with change and actual body temp. So for me, it's not an instant no. I think it has value, and if you've got the money for it, then I do think it will give actionable data that you can use to optimize training and race performance, as well as assist in finding ways to pre-cool your body efficiently. It's something that if I had the money for it, or someone gave it to me to trial run it, then I would have a field day in testing it out.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

You know me. I love my data. I got an email from "The Feed" back in October 2020 about it.

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It got me curious about it since I'm a big believer in the effects of heat training/acclimation/adjustment just like elevation training. Two things initially stopped me from purchasing and pursuing information further:

1) The use of either a HR strap or medical grade adhesive patch. I used to use a HR strap long ago for a good while, but developed a pretty nice sore from it. It's since healed, but it makes me apprehensive about going back to it. Although it appears the device resides on the side moreso than the middle of the chest. The adhesive patches are more desirable to me, but seem cost prohibitive at $7 per 8 patches. It looks like they've since come out with an arm strap since what I remember seeing. Now that's something I could get behind, but even their own site says that the accuracy on the arm is lower. So then is it worth it?

2) The initial cost of the product is $250. So I'd weigh that against what actionable data I would get from the device. Is it like GCT on Garmin devices which is a good measurement, but how much are you going to change things based on this value? Or is it like HR which if used correctly can show actionable trends over the short/long term? Or like wattage for running, which might not be quite there yet, but provides instantaneous feedback that's actionable?

I remember watching the Olympic Mens triathlon and finding the eventual winner's outfit choice interesting. That sheer white with practically visible everything except for the underwear. Now after visiting CORE it looks like they had actionable evidence as to which outfit was providing the best body heat response (link). Here's a DCRainmaker article as well (link).

While the core temp in heat was interesting, I don't encounter it that often in WI. However, I would be curious about the opposite direction. Because I do tend to train in some pretty darn cold environments (as low as -40F wind chill). And I'd be curious to see where that takes my core body temp. And then prep for warm weather races and heat acclimation training effects. As well as I'd probably use it to track performance in races and the relationship seen with change and actual body temp. So for me, it's not an instant no. I think it has value, and if you've got the money for it, then I do think it will give actionable data that you can use to optimize training and race performance, as well as assist in finding ways to pre-cool your body efficiently. It's something that if I had the money for it, or someone gave it to me to trial run it, then I would have a field day in testing it out.

I have been doing "heat training" on my own for many years (without a core body temperature measurement). It really helps, but we are all limited as to how much it can help us by our personal physiology. You push yourself for about a week on shorter, interval type runs to acclimatize, increasing your blood volume and making your body start to sweat more quickly.

After that, I use my heart rate as my body temperature guide.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Get on MapMyRun (or Garmin Connect - courses),
make sure to uncheck ‘follow roads’,
and then route your path approximately where you think it will go on your land to get the distance of on lap.

This site is great for the same thing: https://onthegomap.com/#/create

 

[Dis5150]

@Dis5150 have you thought about making the path a distance you can use for intervals? I’d rather have one at 400m or 500m, which can also be marked off for 200m, than one that’s a more random distance of the longest you can get.

Sounds good, in theory, but with my limited math skills in figuring it out, I don't think it is possible lol! He is worse than me!

 

[DopeyBadger]

Sounds good, in theory, but with my limited math skills in figuring it out, I don't think it is possible lol! He is worse than me!

What about something like this after you’ve got the general path cleared but not yet path made (link).

 

[FFigawi]

You know me. I love my data. I got an email from "The Feed" back in October 2020 about it.

While the core temp in heat was interesting, I don't encounter it that often in WI. However, I would be curious about the opposite direction. Because I do tend to train in some pretty darn cold environments (as low as -40F wind chill). And I'd be curious to see where that takes my core body temp. And then prep for warm weather races and heat acclimation training effects. As well as I'd probably use it to track performance in races and the relationship seen with change and actual body temp. So for me, it's not an instant no. I think it has value, and if you've got the money for it, then I do think it will give actionable data that you can use to optimize training and race performance, as well as assist in finding ways to pre-cool your body efficiently. It's something that if I had the money for it, or someone gave it to me to trial run it, then I would have a field day in testing it out.

I knew I could count on you! Thanks for all the data and info. I'd really like to try one given the warm and hot conditions in Dubai. My only concern is what I'd do with the data. I haven't seen or heard of coaches finding good ways to use the data except for the Norwegian team and their white kit. If I handed you a few weeks worth of data, what would you do with it? How would you incorporate it into a training plan or a workout?

 

[Dis5150]

What about something like this after you’ve got the general path cleared but not yet path made (link).

That is cool! I didn't even know that existed, although DH probably did lol. I will look into that! Thank you!

 

[DopeyBadger]

If I handed you a few weeks worth of data, what would you do with it? How would you incorporate it into a training plan or a workout?

Well one thing I'd play around with is pre-cooling and the effects of different techniques of during the run cooling. So I'd be curious to see the effect of pre-run core body temps and how that influences similar runs under similar conditions. This information would be useful from a training standpoint, but likely more so from an optimal race performance standpoint.

It could also give us insights into your individual response to sustained tempo like runs vs interval sessions in the heat. So if we constantly see the core temp rising too high and a correlation with a type of run, then it may be something we try and avoid in training under certain conditions or do a better job of breaking up into smaller bits. Also, the relationship between going "beyond" in a training run and the bodies response. So like when I do an interval workout, one thing I like to look at is my HR/Pace relationship during the WU/CD. During the WU, I expect the relationship to be "normal" (or what I expect to see based on recent data). But my CD can go in one of either two directions when it comes to HR. Sometimes I see my HR stay higher despite the pace coming back down to the same as the WU. But other times I can see my HR drop to normal/below WU levels despite the same pace. So it would be another interesting piece of data to see where the core temp fell and if that's giving additional insight. I've got a feeling that in the case of one way the core temp is falling more rapidly whereas in the other case the core temp is staying higher. So then is there something I can do better in training to minimize that increased HR/increased core temp that could be a useful technique in races. Is there a core temp that I'm hitting in certain training runs that yields a different CD response. And is that something that correlates with races in which I blow up. Like I personally find my VDOT race performance vs T+D conditions to be an interesting data set.



Despite training under similar conditions leading into these races, my Garmin VO2max - Race VDOT shows a larger delta when the T+D is over 120. Obviously my abilities to race will be less when the temp increases. But since my Garmin VO2max value is a function of current fitness under those same conditions then why do I see a larger delta under hotter conditions. It very well could be explained by core body temp and the increased stress of a long duration event. It would be interesting to see data back that up.

The following are three different HR tracings from three different speed workouts (although similar enough for this comparison) under three very different T+D conditions (T+D 160, T+D 100, and T+D 61)







What role is core body temp playing in these? Is there something actionable that can come out of this?

I'd be curious to see the data's relationship with easy runs as well. Because there are times in the heat where my effort doesn't match my HR. Like my breathing is almost non-existent, I'm not trying all that hard, but my HR is sky high. Much higher than I would expect based on the effort, ignoring the pace even. So I'd be curious to see where the core data is. What kind of story is it telling in conjunction with the HR data? Do I treat my core body temp like I do my T+D adjusted pace goals. Where I can go no faster than (or no higher than) despite what my effort might be telling me?

At the end of the day though, it may very well be like my adventures with HR data (and for that matter my scientific data in my real job). Sometimes I go into it with ideas of how I'll use the data and what I'll learn. But along the way I'm allowing the data to speak to me and I'm looking for trends in something that may not have been my original intent with the data set. And then it grows into something completely different after building a significant data base. So I could propose all of the ideas above as things I would probably originally intend on doing with it, but sometimes until I have the actual data in hand is when I can actually dive head first into it to find the new and unthinkable trends.

 

[GreatLakes]

I got a Garmin HRM-PRO for Christmas (or my birthday, they are close and I forget which is which) and love it. It tracks temperature and respiration along with HR and all the running dynamics. If you like data it is full of it. While I know most people aren't going to use all of it it is extremely helpful when working on your gate. It'll show you leg balance and stride length which I find very useful when working on running efficiency.