The most annoying or aggravating thing you see at WDW.....get your flames ready!

[northie]

Your mall has a map?

Mine does! The Mall of America! Of course I don't need it but so many who go there are tourists you see a lot of people looking at the map ;0

Sara

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

I don't care if anyone is overweight...shoot, I'm packing a few extra pounds myself. The only thing I see a problem with is there are *so* many ECV's being used in the parks that as a pedestrian, I honestly feel like it's more of a safety issue than anything else.

Because the ECV's move faster, people feel the need to zig-zag in and out of foot traffic and I think it's these turns that end up causing someone to be hit. Let's face it, someone on foot can still stop faster than any motorized vehicle...but why should I constantly have to stop to give up the right-of-way? I'll tell you why -- because I'm afraid not to!

Now I know that for the most part the people that need to use an ECV are extremely cautious and would never dream of running into someone and probably feel horrible when it happens. Also, I don't think this was even an issue five to ten years ago, but the ECV's have gotten so popular that the walkways are almost to small to accomodate all of them.

As I mentioned in a previous post -- I'm happy that WDW is accessible to so many people, because everyone deserves some of the magic...but I feel it's almost getting to a point where WDW should require a doctor's note from anyone renting an ECV on-site, or bringing their own into the park. Maybe that would cut down on the incidents like the one posted earlier where an entire family rented them "just for the fun of it".

 

[madenon]

Calypso, did you happen to read some other topics about the ecv's? Disney isn't allowed by law to ask for a doctors note. ADA will do that for you. Also; how do you see that working? WDW attracts a lot of tourist, including a lot of us not from the US. It isn't common practice to require a doctors note to be able to use ones own, I repeat; own, powerchair or ecv in an attractionpark. That'll make sure there will be a lot of problems for those tourist. Not even to mention the effect of having to ask for a note before you're allowed to use an aid when wanting to go somewhere will have on both the users and sociaty.

No, I'm not saying there isn't a problem nor that it shouldn't be adressed. I haven't been to the US to see it for myself yet, but from what I've read so far, I am thinking it is taken beyond some logical sence at some points, and I can understand this could cause a real problem. A problem those of us with a disability should be very wary of. We shouldn't just tell you off for adressing this, but actually listen. If there is a problem, it deserves attention and will also effect us negatively.

I think we all need to become a bit more aware of social behaviour and have some more sympathy for others. I would like everbody to understand that my powerchair wont stop right at the spot, but it's not fair to expect that from people. They aren't being rude, they simply don't know and how can they if they've never had any experience? Yes, it is irritating if person 103833843830 steps right in front of my powerchair and thinks I can stop like that. But that still doesn't make it right to just expect them to know that by magic.

On the other hand, you are in title to expect some normall driving on my part. No speeding or zigzagging on main street or anywhere where there's a chance of problems. Like when driving a car you shouldn't do that either without a free lane with more than enough room for both to manouvre, make an emergency-manouvre and to see beyond a corner or bushes.

Just as I can inform others nicely about the not stopping right away (and not telling them in a tone of voice that sounds like I blame anyone), you are in title to ask me nicely to slow it down/ don't zigzag because the risks for those who walking are this and that.

Back to the ecv. An option for less abuse could be to stop renting them at wdw. Overhere renting a ecv at a big attractionpark or warehouse is simply no option. Yes there are more ecv's then there used to be a couple of years ago and therefor some more incidents, but it seems like it causes less problems and friction than it does at wdw from what I've been reading. Big downside to this is that those really in need of an ecv will have to rent off-site. That doesn't do much good for accessibily.

If you ask me, unfortunately there isn't a simple solution. I can rent one if I'm very disabled, but I can also rent one f I don't want to run the risk of sore feet after a day at wdw. (which most of the healthy people will have from all of that walking they're not used to) There's no way to make a good distinction between both if the ADA prevents asking for proove. And even if one can "proove"; where do we draw the line? Is it with those not being able to walk more than a mile? Is it with those not being able to walk at all? Is it for those in pain? Do we consider painfull feet after a day of walking to be acceptable pain of not? And the list of questions can go on and on and on.

 

[disneyvol]

I'm going to WDW in October. I'm diabetic, I've had a stroke and open heart surgery to repair an artery that was shaped like a corkscrew. I'm walking daily to build my stamina for disney. If I find when I get there that I am not strong enough to walk all day in the parks, I WILL rent an ECV. Watch out because I have no experienceBEEP- BEEP
I'll be careful! But don't say I didn't warn you!
Dangerous days are October 9-15!

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

You're right madenon -- there really isn't one clear solution to the problem.

I'm sure for every ECV incident, there's just as many other "downers" like kids behaving badly, smokers in non-smoking areas, etc.

Everyone just needs to be considerate of others whether they are walking, or riding.

Can't we all just get along?

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

I'm going to WDW in October. I'm diabetic, I've had a stroke and open heart surgery to repair an artery that was shaped like a corkscrew. I'm walking daily to build my stamina for disney. If I find when I get there that I am not strong enough to walk all day in the parks, I WILL rent an ECV. Watch out because I have no experienceBEEP- BEEP
I'll be careful! But don't say I didn't warn you!
Dangerous days are October 9-15!

 

[ems_mom]

I try not to let other's "bad" behavior get me down at WDW. (Although this involves closing my eyes and counting to 10 alot. ) However, on my last trip with my 21 year old daughter it was difficult to maintain a good attitude when her foot was run over by a middle-aged women on an ECV. Now, I have no judgement about this person's weight or disability; but seriously, I was pretty upset that she backed up (without looking) into us. We were on a non-commando, girls only, shopping/eating trip. This happened on the sidewalk of a shopping area at MGM. The kicker is she ran over my daughter's foot and stopped. On her foot. You would think my daughter's screaming and my shouting would have quickly resolved the situation. But literally, it took this person a good minute of looking confusedly at us for her to roll off my daughter's foot. And she was apparently with a large group of people (on foot) who could and should of assisted her. I seriously wanted to get my DD medical attention and report the incompetent driver to a CM. But my DD insisted nothing was broken (her foot did end up purple, black and blue) and didn't want to this to spoil our trip. So she ended up limping a few days, and I'm still annoyed about this incident.

The woman (and her family) never even said "I'm sorry."

Don't let people unable to drive ECV's safely have access to them.

 

[kaytieeldr]

This issue seems to be getting worse & worse every time we go to Disney! PEOPLE..... if you can manage to get out of your wheelchair or scooter under your own power, and walk up the exit door stairs, you can wait in line to get on the bus like everyone else!!!!

Good idea. Brilliant. Of course, if the person using the mobility assistance device takes this suggestion and waits in line then boards using the stairs... how does the wheelchair or ECV get aboard the bus???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

That is complete b/s and Disney does not and never will do anything about the idiots who take advantage of the disabilities.

Yeah. Right. Being disabled is an advantage.

take a look at some of the individuals abusing the service for people with ACTUAL disabilities. People who will leave their wheel chair outside the bus and walk on. No limp, no crutches....walking perfect like you and me. Top it off, I hope you never see that same person WALKING around the park that day...no wheelchair in sight. The people abusing this are pure scum.

Several years ago, I spent a day at Epcot with several friends. I had an ECV, and so did one of them. My issues are mobility; hers were recent heart surgery. Do you know, not once all day did she limp or use crutches. When she wasn't riding the ECV, she was walking the same as just about everyone else on foot.

No I dont ask....but if you would have read what I wrote, I said "The people ABUSING the service are scum" not the people who actually need a wheelchair.

However, unless you are an individual's medical professional, YOU have no right or method to decide who is qualified and who is abusing the service.

the CM and the woman on the ECV were having a difficult time getting the vehicle onto the bus. She got off the ECV, PICKED IT UP, turned it sideways, and walked it to its appropriate spot on the bus. My DH had to help me pick my jaw up from the floor!

I'm not sure why your jaw dropped so far. Granted, with help, I've been able to lift the parts of an ECV in and out of a car trunk; and into the luggage compartment of a bus. I have mobility issues, not arm problems. And most people permanently in wheelchairs have excellent upper body strength. Too, you don't know what the ECV weighed. There was one on QVC the other night that weighs forty pounds total

Im not sure if this has been said yet but when someone is in a wheel chair and they get on the bus but after getting into the bus and the driver ties down the wheel chair they get out of the wheel chair and sit in another seat. That person ends up taking up like four seats.

Safety. WHENEVER POSSIBLE, the bus drivers want the Guest to transfer from the wheelchair/ECV to a seat. It's easier and faster to tie down an empty mobility assistance device than one with a person in it. Plus, especially with a person staying in an ECV on a bus, the center of gravity changes.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Oh, I believe that seeing someone hop off an ECV with the greatest of ease and speed walk and all but knock someone else over to get in front of them on a ride pretty much tells me that whatever their physical ailment may be, it didn't manifest itself as they were magically cured when it came time to rush to get in line first

Could you please give some examples of where this happens? I can't picture anyplace that the boarding area IS the same for ECV and mobile Guests, but ISN'T regulated or restricted by individual lanes, lines, or spots for boarding the attraction. Please note, there is NO sarcasm here. I genuinely want to know. Thanks!

If you are at Disney you may not--

WOW - i think when this thread was started he was just asking a opinion of what bothers you? if this bothers you so much than maybe you should just not look at it?

Huh? I read Eeyore2003's post as MERELY a synopsis of the various annoying/aggravating things posted by OTHER posters!

 

[kaytieeldr]

Because the ECV's move faster, people feel the need to zig-zag in and out of foot traffic and I think it's these turns that end up causing someone to be hit. Let's face it, someone on foot can still stop faster than any motorized vehicle...but why should I constantly have to stop to give up the right-of-way? I'll tell you why -- because I'm afraid not to!

I'll meet you between Petals and the Dippy Pool (same place as last year) about 10 PM on the 23rd; we can both practice avoidance maneuvers!!

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Another thing I find annoying when I read them on here is how people always like to bash the Contemporary for all the conventions they host. Some of their comments like saying it's all business people in suits, no good for families and etc. I agree the Contemporary does host a lot of conventions during the year, however I wish people would not always call the Contemporary a convention Resort and that is because of Coronado Springs. The reason is they also host just as many conventions during the year, however I never read any posts of people calling them a convention Resort and I think it's because they have a better theme then the Contemporary. So because of that people never give Corondao Springs the stereotypes they give the Contemporary and I think that is very un fair. While people can have their own opinions about this subject, I sometimes wish they could see what I am talking about before they make comments like that.

 

[klj27]

Another thing I find annoying when I read them on here is how people always like to bash the Contemporary for all the conventions they host. Some of their comments like saying it's all business people in suits, no good for families and etc. I agree the Contemporary does host a lot of conventions during the year, however I wish people would not always call the Contemporary a convention Resort and that is because of Coronado Springs. The reason is they also host just as many conventions during the year, however I never read any posts of people calling them a convention Resort and I think it's because they have a better theme then the Contemporary. So because of that people never give Corondao Springs the stereotypes they give the Contemporary and I think that is very un fair. While people can have their own opinions about this subject, I sometimes wish they could see what I am talking about before they make comments like that.

I think of CSR as more of a convention resort than CR.

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

I think of CSR as more of a convention resort than CR.

That's the 1st time I ever seen some say that on these boards before.

 

[Thematic]

Another thing that I find annoying and aggravating is when other guests walk in front of you, while a family member is trying to take a picture. I understand that people can be distracted in what their doing, however there are times when it's obvious others are trying to take pictures. I also think the people who give other 10 seconds to take the picture and if they don't they will walk in front of them, are just as rude. If that bothers you so much then try go around those people without walking in front of someone just as they are taking a picture.

While I agree if the hypothetical photo-taker and clan are in an out-of-the-way area and folks are specifically walking in front of the camera just to spoil your shot, I can't say I have a lot of sympathy for anyone attempting to do so in high-foot traffic areas. They can see the massive amounts of foot traffic around them. Said foot traffic will not vanish, redirect itself or wait patiently for the shot-- it's gonna move as inexorably as the tides. Best to go with the flow, wait for an ebb in the traffic, then take the shot.

 

[Deb & Bill]

While I agree if the hypothetical photo-taker and clan are in an out-of-the-way area and folks are specifically walking in front of the camera just to spoil your shot, I can't say I have a lot of sympathy for anyone attempting to do so in high-foot traffic areas. They can see the massive amounts of foot traffic around them. Said foot traffic will not vanish, redirect itself or wait patiently for the shot-- it's gonna move as inexorably as the tides. Best to go with the flow, wait for an ebb in the traffic, then take the shot.

I'll have to say the people who set up a photo shot and stand fifteen feet away (with the people in the photo on one side of the walkway, and the photographer on the other side of the walkway), bother me. If they can snap off a quick shot, no problem. But when they need to figure out the camera, get the baby to smile, adjust to get the castle in the photo a bit better.... Well, I might just be in their photo shot.

 

[BubMunkeyBles]

I think of CSR as more of a convention resort than CR.

I guess my thing is is that I've stayed at the CR for my Dad's business conventions... Thing is... most those people bring their families and their out playing in the parks too. It's a good place to hold a convention, especially if you want people to show up!!! (This was a family doctor convention, family doctors tend to have families, lol).

On behalf of big people who ride on those ECV's... My grandma is overweight and she won't be able to walk (arthritis etc) part way through the day and then all of us get upset. So it makes us happy that she can move at the same pace. Mostly cuz I have had 7 ankle surgeries and if I move too slow it locks up.

 

[Princess Stitch]

Not just elderly people, but mom's holding their sleeping toddlers or babies. I remember how my arms would fall asleep holding my daughter so when we were at Disney, I always, always offered my seat to mom's with their babies as well as the elderly, or young children who were ready to drop. It's just common courtesy. I'm exhausted too, but I'm a healthy adult and I can handle another few minutes to the hotel.

I was quite shocked to see a lot of men just sitting there in their seats while people who should have, in my opinion, been offered seats, weren't. I'm from NY and people talk trash about us a lot, but it's pretty much the norm here to do something like that. And it was the middle aged men! The college kids or young adults were giving up their seat. It was crazy.

This is the same kinda situation as the ECVs though. You can't really judge why a person is sitting down. I have stomach problems and other issues that make standing on a bus difficult for me especially since I have a hard time balancing. I also can't reach the top grab bar so if I can't be near a pole there's no way I can stand at all. I've had to stand on some busses and ended up in people's laps before talk about awkward! Also if my stomach is acting up and I'm in alot of pain as well as being dizzy and nauseous trust me when I say you won't want me standing up!

This isn't a problem at Disney anymore because me and DBF rent a car now. Just easier to have our own transportation without all the pushing and shoving. I do take a bus to work and back every day though and if someone needs my seat I will try to stand on days that I can, but I'm sick of all the dirty looks I get when I don't stand up. I think it's much worse though when you see people who have their bags occupying a seat on the bus and they refuse to move them. How inconsiderate is that?

 

[klj27]

That's the 1st time I ever seen some say that on these boards before.

I think of CSR as more of a convention resort than CR.

I have never stayed at CR but have stayed at CSR. There were two events going on during the six days that we were there. There was even a convention/large group checking in the day before we checked out of POR last year.

 

[HunnyPots]

Hey, you know what's funny? I'd be willing to put up with any and all of these "annoyances" if I could just be there right now!

 

[LBelle]

Banana hammocks....plain and simple.