I see Goofyluver and LuvDuke were keeping the "other" side honest last night. I was going to say "Sorry I missed it", but actually I'm glad I missed it.
As far as I can tell, some folks are unwilling to grant that someone could actually hold a perspective contrary to theirs and still be reasonable. It seems to me that it is impossible to have a discussion with folks like that and come out of it not feeling the need to shower.