The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

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Hillary has used $5M of her own money today to fund her campaign and reports are there is $15M soon to follow that.


Ouch! That's gotta hurt. :headache:

I've been tracking the contributions on opensecrets.org. Obama's support is really impressive.

O/T Did anyone see last night when he was talking about asking his daughters if they wanted to come on stage and his 9 y/o said, "Daddy, you know that's not my thing." :laughing: So cute.
 
Ouch! That's gotta hurt. :headache:

I've been tracking the contributions on opensecrets.org. Obama's support is really impressive.

O/T Did anyone see last night when he was talking about asking his daughters if they wanted to come on stage and his 9 y/o said, "Daddy, you know that's not my thing." :laughing: So cute.

I thought that was so adorable about his daughters...

Turns out some of Clinton's staffer's are working this month without pay, now THAT has to hurt... it was just reported on MSNBC....
 
O/T Did anyone see last night when he was talking about asking his daughters if they wanted to come on stage and his 9 y/o said, "Daddy, you know that's not my thing." :laughing: So cute.

I loved that! It was adorable - I love seeing that side of him and his family.
 
OK, I've had a glass of wine, so I'll keep this very brief. Obama did indicate in his last CNN debate how he would start to pay for the healthcare, and it was similar to what Hillary said. That it would come off the top 1% of wage earners, that had tax cuts under the Bush Tax plan, both want to roll that plan back for the top 1% and use that money, or some part thereof to pay for their healthcare.

I personally would like to see HOW Hillary will MANDATE that we pay for healthcare, particularly worrisome would be the parent who has to have their wages garnished to pay for this plan rather than put food on their table. I'm particularly worried about this. I'm not in this segment of the population, thankfully so, but I worry about the fate of them, as they directly relate to the rest of us in one way or another.....

So, to some extent both candidates have outlined a way to pay for their plans, particularly in the last debate.

Look again...he has not she has ...also if you read my other post you will see that YOU WILL be Mandated if you have kids by Obama:thumbsup2
 

I gave him $100 last night and just saw that email he sent so I'll give him another $100. I also plan on making phone calls to voters in WA tonight (did CA and CT last night) and then I'll be working hard this weekend to secure MD/VA/DC for him next Tuesday.

Hillary has used $5M of her own money today to fund her campaign and reports are there is $15M soon to follow that.

Hillary would be lucky to get this kind of grassroots support.

I gave the last day of January, and I donated again today, and I'm sure I'll donate again.

I wanted to do the phone banking last week, signed up for it, and didn't make use of it, and now this week I'm sick, I sound sick, like as in a cold. I don't want to make call's to people sounding like this, I'm hoping tomorrow is better! DS is so sick he can't get up, so I'm really lucky, and overall I'm the sick one, so I'm pretty happy I've capped my illness where I have (I think)
 
On top of that, the youth that is so energized by Obama feels - yet again - as if they've got no real say, so they stay home in droves.

Don't sell the youth short. My DS 20 has been an intern for Obama. He says he'll have no problem voting for Hillary if she gets the Democratic nomination. In politics you can't always have it your way....so you regroup and choose the person you like the best from the remaining candidates.

And yeah, I did talk to him at length about Obama. He could see what I was talking about...but it didn't keep him from wanting to vote for him and I was fine with that.
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";23038557]Look again...he has not she has ...also if you read my other post you will see that YOU WILL be Mandated if you have kids by Obama:thumbsup2[/QUOTE]

Mandating children vs. mandating consenting, voting age adults is quite another. If people have the funds to cover their children, they should. Her plan is to mandate an entire family, and I just don't agree with it.

They both are in agreement as to rolling back the Bush tax cuts for the top 1% and using that money towards healthcare, see previous message provided.
 
I've been listening to some of the Conservative radio talking heads and interestingly enough, most of them advocate not voting at all if McCain wins no matter who the Democratic nominee is. They are saying to concentrate on rep and senator races instead. If they are any indication, Conservatives will NOT necessarily hold their nose and vote for McCain if Hillary wins the nomination.

Besides I still think it's important to vote for who you believe in. I was pushing the idea of voting for whoever I thought could win but another Liberal reminded me that was not the way I normally vote. So it isn't going to happen. I will vote for the candidate I feel is most qualified and then whoever wins the nomination. I will also donate money (when I can) to the Democratic candidate who seems to need it most. I believe that people should get the chance to choose who they prefer and money should have nothing to do with it.
 
Mandating children vs. mandating consenting, voting age adults is quite another. If people have the funds to cover their children, they should. Her plan is to mandate an entire family, and I just don't agree with it.

They both are in agreement as to rolling back the Bush tax cuts for the top 1% and using that money towards healthcare, see previous message provided.

Are 25 year old kids not adults????:confused3
 
O/T Did anyone see last night when he was talking about asking his daughters if they wanted to come on stage and his 9 y/o said, "Daddy, you know that's not my thing." :laughing: So cute.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Too cute!
 
Originally Posted by "Got Disney"
Obama just said on the news that "Face it, if I get the nomination I will get all of Hillarys vote , yet I cant say the same for her getting mine"

He was hesitant to say it but he did....


...and so the mudslinging begins!!!!!!!


I am starting to smell a double standard ........ Obama and his surrogates have free rein to criticize Hillary for any and everything - no misogynism implied - but if Hillary or her surrogates critcize him - there is implied racism........

Here is a fact sheet from the Clinton site - which I believe is true:

Tremendous Victories: Hillary yesterday won the largest states and the most coveted prizes, California and New York. Hillary won red states, Arkansas, Oklahoma and Tennessee, blue states, Massachusetts and New Jersey, and a purple state, Arizona. Hillary won both with and without institutional support, overcoming high-profile endorsements in Massachusetts to pull the upset of the day.

The Bottom Line: "With California cementing a series of wins across the country, Ms. Clinton can claim a slight advantage," writes the Washington Post's editorial board. Hillary continues to lead Sen. Obama in the race for thousands of delegates and superdelegates nationwide.

Youth for Hillary: According to exit polls, Hillary yesterday won 18-29 year olds in California, home to more young adults than any other state. Hillary also won 18-29 year olds in Massachusetts, home to more than 250 college and universities.

One-on-One: Hillary called for weekly debates through March 4th and accepted invitations from CNN, MSNBC, ABC and Fox News to debate Sen. Obama in Ohio, Texas and Washington, DC.

If You Read One Thing Today: "Clinton will try to focus on policy to win voters" from the Gannett News Service. Read more.

Strong in the States: In Texas, former House Speaker Jim Wright and Reps. Gene Green and Solomon Ortiz this week endorsed Hillary. Reps. Green and Ortiz had earlier backed Gov. Bill Richardson's campaign for President. In Ohio, Hillary supporter Gov. Ted Strickland joined President Bill Clinton at a "Solutions for America" rally in Cleveland. In Pennsylvania, Rep. Paul E. Kanjorski endorsed Hillary, joining Gov. Ed Rendell as a campaign supporter.

In Case You Missed It: "Two civil rights leaders -- one a prominent Obama supporter -- have written DNC Chairman Howard Dean to press him to resolve the looming conflict over Florida's and Michigan's role at the Democratic National Convention." Read more.

I often wonder what Obama supporters want her to do..... Just up and quit? "OK - we "virtually" tied you now - you're over!"

The next week is supposed to be a bad one for Hillary - caucuses (where you have to publicly declare in front of your neighbors who you're voting for) and states that have a large African American population.

Then the March primaries are the larger states that supposedly Clinton is leading in........

This Clinton supporter may stay home on election night should Obama win the nod ........ I am that fed up. Of course, it probably won't matter - but I don't think I could support a man whose tactics are not above-board.....
 
I am starting to smell a double standard ........ Obama and his surrogates have free rein to criticize Hillary for any and everything - no misogynism implied - but if Hillary or her surrogates critcize him - there is implied racism........
I don't know about the racism but I've noticed this double standard for a while. It's definitely fine to constantly slam Hillary but Obama has to be treated with kid gloves for some reason.
 
I don't know about the racism but I've noticed this double standard for a while. It's definitely fine to constantly slam Hillary but Obama has to be treated with kid gloves for some reason.

Thank you. I thought it was just me!

Some more Clinton observations (I did vote yesterday, and donated money today) - to show that its not over yet, then I will bow out, and go back to my regularly scheduled programming:

Americans in the twenty-two states that voted on Super Tuesday strongly reaffirmed their desire for a serious, substantive candidate who hears their voices and will deliver solutions to the challenges facing the country, especially the deteriorating economy and the healthcare crisis. It is Hillary Clinton who is seen as being both ready to be commander in chief on day one and is ready to deal with the big challenges we face as a nation.

Yesterday's results confirmed Hillary's strengths as a candidate and signaled that she made inroads with a number of key groups and demographics. As we look through the returns and the exits, there are a number of myth-busters that stand out:

a) Hillary can and does do well in rural areas. In Missouri, for example, she won 110 of 115 counties, including a string of rural areas.

b) Hillary can win the youth vote. Hillary swept the youth vote in California and Massachusetts, two states that can be a bellwether for how young people will vote in the general election.

c) Hillary had the momentum on the last day. After the largest national town hall in presidential history, voters who went into the polls undecided chose Hillary, breaking the momentum of Obama's new establishment campaign. Details here.

d) The Gallup tracking showed a national upturn going into Tuesday, suggesting that it is not that Sen. Obama keeps closing in the polls but that he has bursts of momentum that fade when voters compare the two candidates on who is ready and able to make the changes we need starting on day one.

As we saw in New Hampshire, Sen. Obama was unable to close the deal with voters. After a week of wall-to-wall coverage of the Obama campaign's big endorsements, money, and Superbowl ads, Hillary Clinton scored strong wins in big states throughout the country and is winning the popular vote. The margins in these big states were strong - Massachusetts by 15, California by 10, New York by 17, NJ by 10, Oklahoma 24, Tennessee 13. Polls predicting losses or close races turned out to be wrong when the actual votes were counted in these states.

Sen. Obama, in contrast, won with large margins in Alabama and Georgia, two states that have been in the Republican column in the last two elections. He also won with large margins in a string of caucus states with comparatively fewer voters - Alaska, Idaho, Utah, and Kansas - and have also been in the Republican column. Of course, he won his home state.

If the Democratic Party used a "winner-take-all" system, Hillary Clinton would be en route to being the nominee given the pattern of her victories. But the proportional delegate system keeps this contest going with two candidates who have significant support.

We predicted we would be ahead in delegates overall and we are ahead in delegates overall.

As super-delegates consider which candidate to support, they will be looking at which one candidate has a base and can win the big states, including the crucial swing constituencies. We believe the impressive wins in NY, CA, MA, MI, FL, NJ, AZ suggest that Hillary is the one who can motivate a strong turnout in November. Several civil rights activists have recently written to Howard Dean to ask him to work out a solution to count the votes cast in FL and MI before the convention. More people voted in the Florida Democratic presidential primary (1.7 million) than voted in any other Florida presidential primary in history -- about the same number who voted in New York.

In 2004, the Republicans peeled off close to 40% of the Latinos and many women concerned about national security - two groups that were pivotal in the 2004 general election. Catholics were another group Hillary swept that Democrats lost in 2004. The states and her strong diverse coalition of support presents a powerful case to the superdelegates looking at who can beat John McCain.

The clock is also running out on Sen. Obama's venue of choice - the caucus. There are only five remaining caucuses, the last one in early March. Hillary, on the other hand, has excelled in the large state primaries - the states that will have the most impact come November. Although the remaining February map will favor Obama, the remaining three large primary states -- Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania -- are states with a lot of delegates, strong support from elected officials there (governors of Ohio and PA), and who see Hillary as the candidate with the solutions to the problems they face.

Rather than accept the debate challenge we have made to talk about the issues, Sen. Obama last night launched attacks. We hope he will abandon that approach and instead sit down and discuss the issues with Senator Clinton in a civil and agreeable way as they did in California last week.
 
Mandating children vs. mandating consenting, voting age adults is quite another. If people have the funds to cover their children, they should. Her plan is to mandate an entire family, and I just don't agree with it.

They both are in agreement as to rolling back the Bush tax cuts for the top 1% and using that money towards healthcare, see previous message provided.

He did not say that last debate...can you direct me to a place that you heard it ...I would like to hear it because I truley want to know....

How else is he planning on paying for it? This is a critical issue with me. Being a nurse...

They say there will be 15 million not covered under his plan that they will not buy and he says that He will make them pay back premiums and he will mandate from ages 25 and under.

But you are saying how the heck does Hillary plan on making them pay for that...well same goes for Obama....but neither has said how they will mandate it.

listen to the debate again it is very interesting...on Health care :thumbsup2 starting like on page 2/video

So how else will he pay for it....
 
I'm impressed that Hillary won Oklahoma, our neighbors to the north, handily. Texas is one big prize so it should be interesting to see what happens here.

I hope that they both campaign here! I really want to see and listen to them.

Truthfully, I'd like to listen to a McCain speech too just to see.
 
I am starting to smell a double standard ........ Obama and his surrogates have free rein to criticize Hillary for any and everything - no misogynism implied - but if Hillary or her surrogates critcize him - there is implied racism........

Here is a fact sheet from the Clinton site - which I believe is true:



I often wonder what Obama supporters want her to do..... Just up and quit? "OK - we "virtually" tied you now - you're over!"

The next week is supposed to be a bad one for Hillary - caucuses (where you have to publicly declare in front of your neighbors who you're voting for) and states that have a large African American population.

Then the March primaries are the larger states that supposedly Clinton is leading in........

This Clinton supporter may stay home on election night should Obama win the nod ........ I am that fed up. Of course, it probably won't matter - but I don't think I could support a man whose tactics are not above-board.....

also Hillary has 823 to 741 of Obamas delegates and she won the popular vote by more than 100,000 last night so why would she bow out:confused3
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";23038877]Are 25 year old kids not adults????:confused3[/QUOTE]

Well, unfortunately there are a few that are still in college (I'm not a fan of that!) and she won the entire popular vote by 49,000 according to MSNBC some news organizations have him up by four delegates, other have her up by 70 delegates, and one source had her up by a hundred, any way you look at it, pretty much dead even....
 
Yeah, I thought that we saw for the first time it has materialized, this year for obama.



It took eight years of Bush's gross incompetence for them to finally get their dander up. I suspect they, as a group, will definitely be a player this time out.
 
This Clinton supporter may stay home on election night should Obama win the nod ........ I am that fed up. Of course, it probably won't matter - but I don't think I could support a man whose tactics are not above-board.....

Hey, now you know how some people feel about Clinton. It's hard to vote for someone you don't respect and it's almost an insurmountable hurdle for any candidate to overcome.
 
Hey, now you know how some people feel about Clinton. It's hard to vote for someone you don't respect and it's almost an insurmountable hurdle for any candidate to overcome.

I'll give you that..........
 
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