The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

[crcormier]

I didn't think so...

There's a strong tradition of Christian Leftists in the Catholic Church and I guess I've returned to those roots.

Another leftie Catholic here, so no worries Fitz, you aren't alone.

 

[robinb]

The one about how much how support for Obama will cost.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1710107&page=24

Ah ... it's just Joe taking cheap shots when he's run out of something to say.

 

[chris1gill]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23033691]ah yes but could you imagine the repercussions if Hillary said that everyone would have a field day![/QUOTE]

Maybe we should post an anonymous poll to see how many would crossover and how many wouldn't.... seems like a fair litmus test....

 

[Honu]

I'm always interested in trends. It was reported today that Hillary loaned her campaign 5 million dollars last month. I am waiting to see if that 5 million is included in the 13.5 figure her campaign reported for Jan.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Clinton_loaned_her_campaign_5_million.html

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iU_P23eyGmxqE8EEa7ba6r86BpIwD8UL1PIG0

For comparison, Obama raised 32 million in Jan.

What does this mean? We'll have to see. Either she'll get new sources of funding soon, or she may be far behind, money wise. Don't know if she would go the Romney route with major self funding.

We'll have to wait and see.

Clinton is going to need a major influx of contributions to do the campaigning needed in the next few months. Perhaps more than she's raised to date. It's going to be a tough fight against a well funded competitor that I don't think the Clinton campaign foresaw.

Obama is the first candidate I've ever opened up my wallet for. This week I'm attending a fundraising meeting for him, another first, as I've never volunteered for a candidate either. This is the phenomenon of Obama. "Yes, We Can" and "We Are The Ones We've Been Waiting For" actually mean something to us and aren't just campaign slogans. It's not just Obama that's going to change this country. We are. I'm involved and engaged for the first time and so are many others.

 

[eclectics]

I didn't think so...

There's a strong tradition of Christian Leftists in the Catholic Church and I guess I've returned to those roots.

Congregations or individuals? Just curious. How much leeway does Rome give an individual parish who might not neccesarily want to walk the straight and narrow at all times?

 

[chris1gill]

Clinton is going to need a major influx of contributions to do the campaigning needed in the next few months. Perhaps more than she's raised to date. It's going to be a tough fight against a well funded competitor that I don't think the Clinton campaign foresaw.

Obama is the first candidate I've ever opened up my wallet for. This week I'm attending a fundraising meeting for him, another first, as I've never volunteered for a candidate either. This is the phenomenon of Obama. "Yes, We Can" and "We Are The Ones We've Been Waiting For" actually mean something to us and aren't just campaign slogans. It's not just Obama that's going to change this country. We are. I'm involved and engaged for the first time and so are many others.

Totally with you still Honu, first time I've opened my wallet, first time I've volunteered on any campaign... it is a YES WE CAN, and a yes we WILL..... Even my Husband who is the biggest cynic in the world is now starting to get involved.

 

[lilyv]

Clinton is going to need a major influx of contributions to do the campaigning needed in the next few months. Perhaps more than she's raised to date. It's going to be a tough fight against a well funded competitor that I don't think the Clinton campaign foresaw.

Obama is the first candidate I've ever opened up my wallet for. This week I'm attending a fundraising meeting for him, another first, as I've never volunteered for a candidate either. This is the phenomenon of Obama. "Yes, We Can" and "We Are The Ones We've Been Waiting For" actually mean something to us and aren't just campaign slogans. It's not just Obama that's going to change this country. We are. I'm involved and engaged for the first time and so are many others.

Honu-I contributed to Obama today. It was my very first political contribution, ever! I believe that Barack Obama will provide the steady leadership our country sorely needs.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Congregations or individuals? Just curious. How much leeway does Rome give an individual parish who might not neccesarily want to walk the straight and narrow at all times?

It's really more individually based, although I have known Priests and Sisters who have been very vocal about their opinions and their Bishops and Rome seem to look the other way.

My ethics professor in college signed a NY Times ad supporting birth control. She was a Sister of Charity, and there were a group of them that did it. There was a lot of handwringing and some posturing, but nothing really major. She wasn't kicked out of the order or forced to stop teaching.

 

["Got Disney"]

Clinton is going to need a major influx of contributions to do the campaigning needed in the next few months. Perhaps more than she's raised to date. It's going to be a tough fight against a well funded competitor that I don't think the Clinton campaign foresaw.

Obama is the first candidate I've ever opened up my wallet for. This week I'm attending a fundraising meeting for him, another first, as I've never volunteered for a candidate either. This is the phenomenon of Obama. "Yes, We Can" and "We Are The Ones We've Been Waiting For" actually mean something to us and aren't just campaign slogans. It's not just Obama that's going to change this country. We are. I'm involved and engaged for the first time and so are many others.

And you are going to change it how...not arguing just wondering...Ihave heard that said before by Obama but was nto sure how he ment "We" would change it....

I think after all is said and done people will go back to there reg busness once the election is over ...and as always leave the GOV. to do what it does with many complaining about this and that not being done fast enough.

 

[eclectics]

It's really more individually based, although I have known Priests and Sisters who have been very vocal about their opinions and their Bishops and Rome seem to look the other way.

My ethics professor in college signed a NY Times ad supporting birth control. She was a Sister of Charity, and there were a group of them that did it. There was a lot of handwringing and some posturing, but nothing really major. She wasn't kicked out of the order or forced to stop teaching.

Thanks. I've toyed with converting for years now but I can't get past some of the rigidity. I have yet to observe a progressive Catholic parish. Not that some denominations of Protestants aren't rigid. But with Protestantism, you get more choices on the liberal/conservative spectrum.

 

["Got Disney"]

I have a question about Obamas Medical/ins plan compared to Hillarys...not a debate just a question...

We all know that Hillary's plan requires mandatory payment...for those that will not pay. She feels this is the only way to keep the affordable pmt of about $198.00 month for a family.

When Obama said he would not make his mandatory , during the Debate one of the persons asking the question asked him than how will you pay for it.....he said that he will keep clinics open for those who do not pay or he will make them pay back premiums.....


So say you get sick...you have not payed your premiums(keep in mind his Health Care is also not free) you are back premiums $3,000 and your Dr.s bill will be $2,000 but you don't have the money to pay either....what do you do???

Go to the free clinic???? many will use the free clinics and not pay. There for the GOV and taxpayers are still paying your way and nothing has changed...

I have heard a few on here say they don't like Hillary's Health plan because of that. So please clear this up for me and try to change my mind?

Why is Obama's plan better than Hillary's?

If you have no Health insurance know will you get it or like many wait till you get sick to put money out?

I am not effected by either plan as far as me getting ins because we have it and even though we pay close to $1,000 a month plus deductables we are blessed to be able to afford it. And if not that the $200 would be found ($50.00 a week) to pay for it or have it taken out of our pay...

 

[Honu]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23034152]And you are going to change it how...not arguing just wondering...Ihave heard that said before by Obama but was nto sure how he ment "We" would change it....

I think after all is said and done people will go back to there reg busness once the election is over ...and as always leave the GOV. to do what it does with many complaining about this and that not being done fast enough.[/QUOTE]

I'll volunteer where needed. For me a major difference between Obama and the others is that he is both very relatable as a person and very inspirational as a leader. That's a powerful combination and I'm motivated to help him not just with a vote, but by volunteering and lobbying to get his plans to fruition. I'm invested in this.

 

[MerryPoppins]

I hear what many of you are saying. I think it's all fine and good to be enthusiastic about your candidate. I just hope the close race doesn't end up dividing the party when it's finally time to come together. Please continue to see the good in both Democratic candidates, so you can support the one that the party sends on.

And I can't remember who said something about people needing to be "spoon-fed". I'm one of the people who complained that you don't hear Obama talking about the "how's" of his administration. I didn't say that he didn't have them spelled out, but that I just don't like that when he speaks/debates it's all about generalities. I wonder if he does it because many people respond to his speaking style. You'd have to be dead not to feel something when you hear him speak. Maybe he thinks it's better politics to stay a little nebulous about what he'll do exactly. Many people won't go searching out the hows and he won't turn anybody off that way.

But I sort of resent the fact that you think someone like me...who just wants to hear him talk about what he'll do instead of having to go read about it somewhere...is lazy and needs to be spoon-fed. I like to look at someone when they tell me what the plan is. I don't want to just read about it. I want to see his enthusiasm. Not because I'm too lazy, but because I want to see if I believe what he's saying. Anyone can post a plan. I want him to talk about it, so I can see that he owns it. If you don't need that - more power to you. But please don't insinuate I'm a baby because I do.

Now, I'm off my soapbox. That's just been needling me all day and I needed to get it off my chest.

 

["Got Disney"]

I'll volunteer where needed. For me a major difference between Obama and the others is that he is both very relatable as a person and very inspirational as a leader. That's a powerful combination and I'm motivated to help him not just with a vote, but by volunteering and lobbying to get his plans to fruition. I'm invested in this.

Put the inspiration aside. Why is he reliable...what has he done to prove that to you? is using the correct word for Obama Lobbying when he is against Lobbyists and taking their money?

So if he says you must change your house all green you will do it, or if he says pay me this amount for health care, by the way how much is he wanting for health care premiums anyway ?) because he inspires you...

Again not meant in a mean way ...I want to try to see what you see and others that I don't???

 

[lilyv]

I hear what many of you are saying. I think it's all fine and good to be enthusiastic about your candidate. I just hope the close race doesn't end up dividing the party when it's finally time to come together. Please continue to see the good in both Democratic candidates, so you can support the one that the party sends on.

And I can't remember who said something about people needing to be "spoon-fed". I'm one of the people who complained that you don't hear Obama talking about the "how's" of his administration. I didn't say that he didn't have them spelled out, but that I just don't like that when he speaks/debates it's all about generalities. I wonder if he does it because many people respond to his speaking style. You'd have to be dead not to feel something when you hear him speak. Maybe he thinks it's better politics to stay a little nebulous about what he'll do exactly. Many people won't go searching out the hows and he won't turn anybody off that way.

But I sort of resent the fact that you think someone like me...who just wants to hear him talk about what he'll do instead of having to go read about it somewhere...is lazy and needs to be spoon-fed. I like to look at someone when they tell me what the plan is. I don't want to just read about it. I want to see his enthusiasm. Not because I'm too lazy, but because I want to see if I believe what he's saying. Anyone can post a plan. I want him to talk about it, so I can see that he owns it. If you don't need that - more power to you. But please don't insinuate I'm a baby because I do.

Now, I'm off my soapbox. That's just been needling me all day and I needed to get it off my chest.

I'm glad you feel better.

Just keep in mind that just as you feel you have specific needs, there are lots of others with their own special requests. It would be hard for any candidate to address each and every need of all who were considering voting for them. There are all sorts of speeches. You probably need to listen to a policy speech, and not to a "rally the troops" speech that is aimed at folks who have worked tirelessly before and all day through Super Tuesday.

 

[lilyv]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";23035237]Put the inspiration aside. Why is he reliable...what has he done to prove that to you? is using the correct word for Obama Lobbying when he is against Lobbyists and taking their money?

So if he says you must change your house all green you will do it, or if he says pay me this amount for health care, by the way how much is he wanting for health care premiums anyway ?) because he inspires you...

Again not meant in a mean way ...I want to try to see what you see and others that I don't???[/QUOTE]

Obama doesn't need to "prove" anything to me. I take him at his word. I spent a great deal of time reading about how he see America, past, present and future. I love his realism, as well as his optimism. A good leader has both.
Beyond that, I have a great deal of respect for how he conducts his private life. He's a good husband, and loving father. He and Michelle strive to be good parents. It's not easy to raise young children while in political office. I think they have struck an impressive balance. That doesn't happen by accident. They are hardworking, committed folks.

But...does that mean that because I believe in Obama's vision, I've suddenly lost my good judgment and now follow like a lost little lamb? Heck no. That's a little insulting.

 

["Got Disney"]

Obama doesn't need to "prove" anything to me. I take him at his word. I spent a great deal of time reading about how he see America, past, present and future. I love his realism, as well as his optimism. A good leader has both.
Beyond that, I have a great deal of respect for how he conducts his private life. He's a good husband, and loving father. He and Michelle strive to be good parents. It's not easy to raise young children while in political office. I think they have struck an impressive balance. That doesn't happen by accident. They are hardworking, committed folks.

But...does that mean that because I believe in Obama's vision, I've suddenly lost my good judgment and now follow like a lost little lamb? Heck no. That's a little insulting.

No no insult intended...just that there are many that are on the Oboma band wagon but cant anser my question when it comes to the issues...I get you feel he is trustworth and so on.....that is fine.

Can you answer my question asked on a couple posts about his Health care...number one I don't know what he is asking for as for money for his health care and looked but could not find. I figure you being such a Obama follower could answer my questions,.. that's all

don't forget I'm on your side...I will vote for him but would like some answers answered that I cant find...I cant find anything on how he is going to pay for a lot of his promises...Hillary has laid it all out that is one reason I have sided with her.

I like Obama and either way will leave a happy Democrat when I walk away from the polls...I just need more info...

 

[KikiFan]

I'm glad you feel better.

Just keep in mind that just as you feel you have specific needs, there are lots of others with their own special requests. It would be hard for any candidate to address each and every need of all who were considering voting for them. There are all sorts of speeches. You probably need to listen to a policy speech, and not to a "rally the troops" speech that is aimed at folks who have worked tirelessly before and all day through Super Tuesday.

Oh for heavens sake, asking a candidate to explain what they are going to do and how they are going to do it is not asking a hell of a lot from the man that wants to run the country. That is not a "special need" or "special request" from a voter. It's the fundamental requirement of a campaign.

Yes, I know he wrote a book - or at least one that has his name on it. Yes, I know that he was a website with his policy that some web designer put together for him. I want to hear the words come out of his mouth. I want to know that he can speak with authority and conviction about these said plans and his ability to carry them out. I want to know that they aren't just words that someone else put in a book or on a website but that he stands by them and owns them. I"m not hearing that.

And frankly I find his comment about his supporters rather arrogant and not those of someone who is putting the interests of this country ahead of his own agenda. Yes Lily, I realize that you are one who will sit out rather then vote for Hillary. But I believe the majority of us are commited to getting the Repubs out of the WH. We'd pretty much crawl through broken glass to end the nightmare of the last 8 years.

ETA: Lily I apologize my comment (as originally posted) was unneccesarily rude.

 

["Got Disney"]

Obama doesn't need to "prove" anything to me. I take him at his word. I spent a great deal of time reading about how he see America, past, present and future. I love his realism, as well as his optimism. A good leader has both.
Beyond that, I have a great deal of respect for how he conducts his private life. He's a good husband, and loving father. He and Michelle strive to be good parents. It's not easy to raise young children while in political office. I think they have struck an impressive balance. That doesn't happen by accident. They are hardworking, committed folks.

But...does that mean that because I believe in Obama's vision, I've suddenly lost my good judgment and now follow like a lost little lamb? Heck no. That's a little insulting.

Also I am not talking about his likability...but you are....I am talking his issues and how he will pay for all his promises...I like his issues no problem with them , they are almost the same as Hillarys...that is why I will walk away happy either way

 

[lilyv]

Oh for heavens sake, asking a candidate to explain what they are going to do and how they are going to do it is not asking a hell of a lot from the man that wants to run the country. That is not a "special need" or "special request" from a voter. It's the fundamental requirement of a campaign.

Yes, I know he wrote a book - or at least one that has his name on it. Yes, I know that he was a website with his policy that some web designer put together for him. I want to hear the words come out of his mouth. I want to know that he can speak with authority and conviction about these said plans and his ability to carry them out. I want to know that they aren't just words that someone else put in a book or on a website but that he stands by them and owns them. I"m not hearing that.

And frankly I find his comment about his supporters rather arrogant and not those of someone who is putting the interests of this country ahead of his own agenda. Yes Lily, I realize that you are one who will sit out rather then vote for Hillary. But most of care a little more about this country then that. Most of us will pretty much crawl through broken glass to end the nightmare of the last 8 years.

Wow.