Spin off... if your child gifted?

[islandmum]

My DD is about a 4 handicap. Where the "gifted" part comes in and if you had read my post is that she is a 4 handicap without even trying. She rarely practices, she doesn't work with a swing coach, psychologist, putting coach, short game coach, etc., etc. like the other top golfers in the state. She MAYBE plays once or twice a week in the summer. Most of her talent is natural. That is where the "gifted" part comes in.

fraid not - I never had a proper coach, back in my day we didnt have all that, let alone all the other hangers on. I was self taught as were many many of my calibre. I didnt play for 3 years after having my sons and the first 2 rounds I played were to a 1 and 3 handicap .... I'm one of those natural players too.

Take it from one who knows about golf in far more detail - your daughter has a talent, she's one of many who hold the same kind of talent. I taught golf for many years and have NEVER seen a gifted golfer cross my path - talented yes, as many were like your daughter, but with much lower handicaps. I also told all their parents how wonderful they were, how talented, how fabulous etc etc as its a way to keep the teen and parent continuing with the sport and maybe taking it to the next level.

When your daughter comes up against a truly gifted golfer she'll see the difference.

I hope she does well with her golf, its a fantastic career to get into or just maintain at an amateur level, but don't confuse natural ability with gifted ability - they are very different.

Encourage her, let her find her game, encourage all the way, I'm sure she loves it - but don't pressure her by telling others she's something I very much suspect she is not.

 

[golfgal]

fraid not - I never had a proper coach, back in my day we didnt have all that, let alone all the other hangers on. I was self taught as were many many of my calibre. I didnt play for 3 years after having my sons and the first 2 rounds I played were to a 1 and 3 handicap .... I'm one of those natural players too.

Take it from one who knows about golf in far more detail - your daughter has a talent, she's one of many who hold the same kind of talent. I taught golf for many years and have NEVER seen a gifted golfer cross my path - talented yes, as many were like your daughter, but with much lower handicaps. I also told all their parents how wonderful they were, how talented, how fabulous etc etc as its a way to keep the teen and parent continuing with the sport and maybe taking it to the next level.

When your daughter comes up against a truly gifted golfer she'll see the difference.

I hope she does well with her golf, its a fantastic career to get into or just maintain at an amateur level, but don't confuse natural ability with gifted ability - they are very different.

Encourage her, let her find her game, encourage all the way, I'm sure she loves it - but don't pressure her by telling others she's something I very much suspect she is not.

We will have to agree to disagree seeing as I have seen my DD play and you have not. She has come up against MANY talented players and has been watched by many of the top coaches and they all say the same thing "she has a gift"--the problem is, she has zero interest in making a career out of the game. That is the difference between her and the top ranked kids in the world--they want it more than she does. She will play in college, at a low pressure DI school most likely, because she is smart enough to know that it's a fun way to pay for college. If she wanted to make a career out of it, she would actually practice

 

[okeydokey]

We will have to agree to disagree seeing as I have seen my DD play and you have not. She has come up against MANY talented players and has been watched by many of the top coaches and they all say the same thing "she has a gift"--the problem is, she has zero interest in making a career out of the game. That is the difference between her and the top ranked kids in the world--they want it more than she does. She will play in college, at a low pressure DI school most likely, because she is smart enough to know that it's a fun way to pay for college. If she wanted to make a career out of it, she would actually practice

I think this is hilarious. You insist your dd is gifted in golf even when others say maybe not, but you insist that other people are deluded when they say their child is gifted academically because somehow you know better. Wow.

 

[islandmum]

We will have to agree to disagree seeing as I have seen my DD play and you have not. She has come up against MANY talented players and has been watched by many of the top coaches and they all say the same thing "she has a gift"--the problem is, she has zero interest in making a career out of the game. That is the difference between her and the top ranked kids in the world--they want it more than she does. She will play in college, at a low pressure DI school most likely, because she is smart enough to know that it's a fun way to pay for college. If she wanted to make a career out of it, she would actually practice

I hope she keeps enjoying it. From what you've said about her golf, how often she plays and her current ability level I can say with a pretty certain bet I was a far superior player at her age with the same degree of play time and no coaching and I never once considered myself gifted, talented yes, gifted, no way. I was a lazy student and only turned pro as I knew it was a way to make easy money, never as a passion for the game. It came easy to me too, and there was always the thought of my parents of "what if you had actually really applied yourself?". You know what - same thing, talent will only get you so far, and you're in a really big group of people with the same talent.

Like I said before and as you are pointing out to others very succinctly in this thread ..... there are lots of talented golfers, bright, smart students, naturally talented in math or tests or science and in Gifted programmes - but there are rarely truly gifted people out there - as you have pointed out to many others here. And funnily enough I've met an awful lot of parents who say exactly the same things you do, its great to be there and be proud of your kids and their achievements, but be realistic about the facts.

Gifted golfer, playing the rate your daughter does, at her age ...... they'd be +2 easy, not 4, its just nowhere good enough for a "gifted player".

She has a gift for golf, not a gifted player, quite different.

Hope she has a great summer season. We need more junior girl golfers out there.

 

[MnMomtoboys]

I think this is hilarious. You insist your dd is gifted in golf even when others say maybe not, but you insist that other people are deluded when they say their child is gifted academically because somehow you know better. Wow.

She is from Mn of course she knows better.

 

[Plannin'Shannon]

I think this is hilarious. You insist your dd is gifted in golf even when others say maybe not, but you insist that other people are deluded when they say their child is gifted academically because somehow you know better. Wow.

Entertaining, isn't it?

 

[Plannin'Shannon]

Like I said before and as you are pointing out to others very succinctly in this thread ..... there are lots of talented golfers, bright, smart students, naturally talented in math or tests or science and in Gifted programmes - but there are rarely truly gifted people out there - as you have pointed out to many others here. And funnily enough I've met an awful lot of parents who say exactly the same things you do, its great to be there and be proud of your kids and their achievements, but be realistic about the facts.

Bingo.

 

[LisaR]

She is from Mn of course she knows better.

Mensa-sota, from the sounds of things.

 

[golfgal]

I think this is hilarious. You insist your dd is gifted in golf even when others say maybe not, but you insist that other people are deluded when they say their child is gifted academically because somehow you know better. Wow.

She is from Mn of course she knows better.

Entertaining, isn't it?

Bingo.

Mensa-sota, from the sounds of things.

Oh, get off it already--the whole idea of this thread is defining what is gifted. When someone posts that they have a child that reads 50 books and has good grades that they are "gifted" there is nothing in that statement to support the fact that they are gifted-vs just being a really smart kid. When you move into the realm of athletics, its an entirely DIFFERENT set of measure...

 

[debbi801]

My kids are smart, but I wouldn't say they were actually gifted academically. They've been in GT classes since 3rd grade and AP classes in high school. Straight A's, decent SAT scores, etc. But that is because they work hard, study hard, etc. None of it comes easy for them.

I will say that my oldest is gifted where art is concerned. He and I've been told more times than I can count that his talent far exceeds his age (18) and he was "wooed" by every top fine art college in the country (as well as Canada). And his first real experience with art was taking a painting class in 9th grade as an elective to fill a gap in his schedule. LOL However, a lot of the time, I consider his gift more of a curse than a benefit.

 

[AverageDiser]

I've been avoiding posting, this topic always turns into a train wreck, but couldn't help myself. So since a child isn't "truly" academically gifted unless they've graduated from college at 12 or under...(according to the Dis experts anyway) then a child here isn't truly athletically gifted unless they've won major golf tournaments at 14 or so... so, easy enough, GolfGal, just send us a link of the article from where your daughter won the Junior National Tournament, and we'll all know she's "truly" gifted.

 

[golfgal]

My kids are smart, but I wouldn't say they were actually gifted academically. They've been in GT classes since 3rd grade and AP classes in high school. Straight A's, decent SAT scores, etc. But that is because they work hard, study hard, etc. None of it comes easy for them.

I will say that my oldest is gifted where art is concerned. He and I've been told more times than I can count that his talent far exceeds his age (18) and he was "wooed" by every top fine art college in the country (as well as Canada). And his first real experience with art was taking a painting class in 9th grade as an elective to fill a gap in his schedule. LOL However, a lot of the time, I consider his gift more of a curse than a benefit.

See, this is the difference--grades/etc. they are great students-the Art thing-when you attract that much attention-that is a gift.

DS19 took a summer art class in 3rd or 4th grade. The teacher said he was really talented because he understood depth and perception. When we got home DS said "mom, all I did was glue a bunch of stuff on some paper because it was a stupid project and I just wanted to get it done" . He did like the class, mainly when they did the pottery though.

 

[okeydokey]

Oh, get off it already--the whole idea of this thread is defining what is gifted. When someone posts that they have a child that reads 50 books and has good grades that they are "gifted" there is nothing in that statement to support the fact that they are gifted-vs just being a really smart kid. When you move into the realm of athletics, its an entirely DIFFERENT set of measure...

 

[golfgal]

I've been avoiding posting, this topic always turns into a train wreck, but couldn't help myself. So since a child isn't "truly" academically gifted unless they've graduated from college at 12 or under...(according to the Dis experts anyway) then a child here isn't truly athletically gifted unless they've won major golf tournaments at 14 or so... so, easy enough, GolfGal, just send us a link of the article from where your daughter won the Junior National Tournament, and we'll all know she's "truly" gifted.

You really created a profile just to post this....

 

[golfgal]

de·bate   [dih-beyt] Show IPA noun, verb, -bat·ed, -bat·ing.
noun
1.
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[okeydokey]

de·bate   [dih-beyt] Show IPA noun, verb, -bat·ed, -bat·ing.
noun
1.
a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints: a debate in the Senate on farm price supports.
2.
a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.
3.
deliberation; consideration.
4.
Archaic . strife; contention.

Still funny!

 

[Magpie]

See, this is the difference--grades/etc. they are great students-the Art thing-when you attract that much attention-that is a gift.

DS19 took a summer art class in 3rd or 4th grade. The teacher said he was really talented because he understood depth and perception. When we got home DS said "mom, all I did was glue a bunch of stuff on some paper because it was a stupid project and I just wanted to get it done" . He did like the class, mainly when they did the pottery though.

Oh for goodness sake... lots of children get really good grades in school and are wooed by top universities. They even compete for scholarships. But you've already said you don't consider THEM gifted. Not even when they attract plenty of attention.

Why should art (or golf!) be different?

 

[Plannin'Shannon]

Oh for goodness sake... lots of children get really good grades in school and are wooed by top universities. They even compete for scholarships. But you've already said you don't consider THEM gifted. Not even when they attract plenty of attention.

Why should art (or golf!) be different?

This pretty much sums up what I'm trying to say.

I recognize a difference of opinion when I see one, Golfgal, and you're certainly entitled to yours, but the irony of your post is what I found amusing. This theory you have posted (gifted academically vs. athletically) seems to be a very convenient theory for you. I've just been reading, not posting, but you've spent the majority of this thread telling people that their academically "gifted" child is very talented, not gifted (I agree with you for the most part, by the way). Then a poster with knowledge of golf comes along and tells you the same thing about your DD's athleticism and all of a sudden, there's a "different measure" between academically gifted and athletically. THAT is what's funny. To me, anyway.

 

[golfgal]

This pretty much sums up what I'm trying to say.

I recognize a difference of opinion when I see one, Golfgal, and you're certainly entitled to yours, but the irony of your post is what I found amusing. This theory you have posted (gifted academically vs. athletically) seems to be a very convenient theory for you. I've just been reading, not posting, but you've spent the majority of this thread telling people that their academically "gifted" child is very talented, not gifted (I agree with you for the most part, by the way). Then a poster with knowledge of golf comes along and tells you the same thing about your DD's athleticism and all of a sudden, there's a "different measure" between academically gifted and athletically. THAT is what's funny. To me, anyway.

Of course there is a different measure---on would be IQ the other would be physical talent whether it is an art student, athlete, musician, etc. You don't need a 180 IQ to be a top athlete.

The problem with most people that have posted about their bright student is that they ARE just that, bright kids. THey are not EXCEPTIONAL students because I am sure every single poster on this tread can point to dozens or more students in their schools that are as good, if not better. Most people here that have school qualified "gifted" students have also said that they don't think their child is really gifted, just a good student. When someone is BEYOND what is even above average, that is where the giftedness starts to come into play. Now, show me the one student that scores 5's on 27 AP tests, or can do calculus in their head by the time they are in 7th grade--THOSE are gifted kids in math, science, whatever. Being in AP classes does NOT make you gifted.

 

[golfgal]

Oh for goodness sake... lots of children get really good grades in school and are wooed by top universities. They even compete for scholarships. But you've already said you don't consider THEM gifted. Not even when they attract plenty of attention.

Why should art (or golf!) be different?

It isn't that they are being wooed by colleges, it's the "ability beyond their years" that usually makes one gifted.