Southern pride gone wrong!

[luvsJack]

I wouldn't consider South Carolina "as southern as they come" by any stretch. I would call Mississippi and Alabama about as southern as they come.

There are many southern states. Why are you pinpointing only Mississippi and Alabama?

 

[Christopher Robin]

Now 'those' Conch Republic types, with thier flag and all, waving it in our faces everytime we go to Key West.

Can we all agree that 'they' are the real proiblem?
(No? Didn't think so.)

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

Slavery was also legal at that time.



You must mean "ignorant to your narrow comprehension of American history."

Yes, the southern states did want to secede from the union. Part of the reason they wanted to secede was because they felt that the federal government was ignoring state rights. They wanted increased state rights.

Let me put it another way in case you're still confused. The southern states desire for increased state rights led to their desire to secede from the union, which eventually led to war.

I hope this more detailed explanation of my statement has helped you to understand one of the reasons for the Civil War.

I'm confused by your statments. You appear to be belittling Bama fan for stating pretty much the same thing you are stating here. He said the states wished to secede, they did, and that the Union decided they didn't want to make that an option anymore, which they didn't. So where, if I might ask, dis DBF get it wrong thereby generating your derisive post?

I guess I'm just lacking some background information that leads to your superiority of knowledge?

 

[princessmom29]

Well, I think that thosae who think that flying a confederate flag is ignorant and vile are ignorant themeslves about the Civil War, The Confederate States, and what they stood for. The civil war was NOT fought over slavery. It was one small facet of a much larger issue, state's rights, and which of the rights the federal government should or should not be allowed to supercede. It was not a war over slavery at all but a war over the right of states to regulate thier own commerce. In fact, the conferate states had a plan in place to end slavery themselves over a 30 year period. They WERE NOT fighting for thier right to own slaves at all, but for thier right to govern themselves as set out in the constitution. The flag was never intended as symbol of slavery or oppression, but as a symbol of liberty and freedom for all. Much of the KKK era backlash and racism wouldn not have come about at all were it not for the way white southerners were degraded and financially destabalized during the reconstruction era. Unnecessairly hardh laws desigend to punish evil southern landowners left them feeling as if they had little other recourse to protect thier families in many cases.

 

[ClarabelleCowFan]

I wouldn't consider South Carolina "as southern as they come" by any stretch. I would call Mississippi and Alabama about as southern as they come.

I beg to differ. I was born and raised in Charleston, SC (Summerville is only 20 miles away). They are the epitome of the Deep South in every sense of the word. There is culture and Southern charm but there is also blatant racism there just like in the other Southern states.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

Fine, dig up facts why don't ya.

 

[okeydokey]

Hear, hear! While I emphasize with those who are insulted by what this woman is doing, what many of them don't realize is the slippery slope the are entering. They start with the Confederate battle flag....but don't stop there.

Next, they start going after anything and everything that represents the old south. Plantations, college students who dare to dress up in southern belle costumes, etc. And thanks to them, Disney has buried one of Walt's greatest films, out of stupid, erroneous perceptions that it glorified slavery (wrong, it is set after the Civil War) and that the prime character in the movie is bad stereotype (rather than what he really is - a voice of knowledge and grace).

That makes no sense and is absolutely not true.

 

[princessmom29]

That makes no sense and is absolutely not true.

Of course it is. The Mobile Azalea Trail Maids are in the Disney Easter Parade every year, and every year there is some sort of negative commont made about what a "symbol of oppression" they are and how they shouldn't be invited back next year. The kicker: their dresses are not even historically accurate!!

 

[princessmom29]

Fine, dig up facts why don't ya.

nothing like facts to upset those who "know what they are taling about"!

 

[carrie1626]

I live in the North. If I see the Confederate flag anywhere I think supremists, racism, stupidity, ignorance. My neighbor has one on his truck. I'm glad he lives down the block and I can happily ignore him.
If that's the best PRIDE you have..... please keep looking!

And I would still defend her right to fly the flag she wants to fly- it's what servicemen and women and veterans have fought and died for. Freedom!

 

[princessmom29]

I live in the North. If I see the Confederate flag anywhere I think supremists, racism, stupidity, ignorance. My neighbor has one on his truck. I'm glad he lives down the block and I can happily ignore him.
If that's the best PRIDE you have.....keep looking!

Agian, that means you have not been educated as to what that flag truly stands for. I am proud to stand behind its true meaning, the right of states to retain the rights given them in the constitution. If you have a problem with the true meaning of the flag, that is fine, but please know WHAT you are really hating!

 

[Wall-E1]

I'm confused by your statments. You appear to be belittling Bama fan for stating pretty much the same thing you are stating here. He said the states wished to secede, they did, and that the Union decided they didn't want to make that an option anymore, which they didn't. So where, if I might ask, dis DBF get it wrong thereby generating your derisive post?

I guess I'm just lacking some background information that leads to your superiority of knowledge?

Yes, we were basically stating the same thing. To understand my statement, you need to go back a few posts. I had originally stated that the southern states wanted increased state rights, and that this was one of the factors that eventually led us to war.

Well, Bamafan was apparently confused by my statement. He highlighted it and stated that the southern states wanted to secede from the nation. He then made the statement, "Too many Americans are simply ignorant when it comes to American history."

Seeing that we were both basically in agreement, I realized that Bamafan simply could not connect the dots. So, in my follow up post, I explained in greater detail that the desire for increased state rights led to the desire for secession, which eventually led to war.

If my post came off in a belittling way, I apologize. You see, I used to be "beyond arrogant". Heck, I even judged the Nazis... and what they were doing was perfectly lawful at the time. Thankfully, Bamafan set me straight on that one. No matter how heinous the crime, if it was legal at the time, we shall not judge.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

Funny, I used to be beyond arrogant too, now I'm just comfortably sassy.

Okay, I missed that part I guess.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

I live in the North. If I see the Confederate flag anywhere I think supremists, racism, stupidity, ignorance. My neighbor has one on his truck. I'm glad he lives down the block and I can happily ignore him.
If that's the best PRIDE you have..... please keep looking!

And I would still defend her right to fly the flag she wants to fly- it's what servicemen and women and veterans have fought and died for. Freedom!

See, I see that flag and think someone is from the South. I don't take it as racist and I don't take it as being unAmerican , I take it as a piece of their history and who they are and as a symbol that means something to them.

I do not immediately think they are racist.

 

[CandyMandy]

Wow, that's quite a leap...

That makes no sense and is absolutely not true.

Yes, certainly .... so let's all ignore....

....the friendly "artwork" left on the Robert E. Lee monument in Richmond, VA last April. This act of vandalism was completely ignored by the national media. One can only imagine what the press would have done is this had happened to the Lincoln Memorial. It would have been immediately labeled a vicious hate crime and strident demands would have been made for the FBI to track down those responsible...

...and the now extinct "Colonel Reb" mascot of the University of Mississippi. He was dumped in 2003 due to pressure from PC elements. But the old south element at Old Miss football games was still too tangible for the history scrubbers, so they went on to get the school's fight song "From Dixie with Love" banned in 2009. However, to the chagrin of the PC censors, fans do still get out a "south will rise again" cheer from time to time...

...and this ceremony prior to the Auburn University Kappa Alpha Fraternity annual "Old South" parade. The event -- which was started to honor the 1865 founders of the fraternity -- ended in 1993 because police could not guarantee protection to the participants from "protestors"....

...and this picture from March 20, 1948, when Actor James Baskett received a special Academy Award for his heart-warming characterization of Uncle Remus, friend and story teller to the children of the world in Walt Disney's 'Song of the South'"...

...an unforgettable characterization, which was thrown to the trash heap in a seminal moment in March 2010, when "demonize the Old South" politics won a critical victory at the Disney annual meeting. In response to a question from a shareholder about why "Song of the South" has not been released on home video in the U.S., Disney CEO Robert Iger states there are no plans to ever re-release the 1946 movie -- which Walt Disney considered to be his live action masterpiece -- in any format and refers to the film as "antiquated" and "fairly offensive".

 

[suzanna1066@comcast.]

I beg to differ. I was born and raised in Charleston, SC (Summerville is only 20 miles away). They are the epitome of the Deep South in every sense of the word. There is culture and Southern charm but there is also blatant racism there just like in the other Southern states.

I agree with you----I never thought I would read South Carolina isn't as southern as they come!

However, I disagree with your limiting blatant racism to the south. It is everywhere. Did anyone watch the 60 Minutes piece last night on the neo-nazi shot by his son? He was from California. One of the largest white power groups in the country is based out of Ohio and, by far, the biggest, racist redneck I have ever met was from Illinois.

I say again, rednecks are universal.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Excellent post, Candy!

Also, many of the comments here are meaningless unless one takes into consideration that the biggest 'states right' that the south was fighting for is the right for white citizens to practice slavery.

There are def. two sides to this (and every) issue!

Using selective memory in order to remember points, or acknowledge facts, that only support ones own predetermined viewpoint helps no-one.

PS: Suzanna, I am from the South, I was really totally caught off-guard and surprized when I saw the overt racism in my husband's family, from the North.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Exactly - to judge those in the past by todays standards goes way beyond arrogance.

Wow....

IMHO, I don't care what the date is...
The ownership and enslavement of any human being is just WRONG.

It was wrong when it happened thousands of years ago.

And, it is wrong where it still occurs today.

And, nope, I see no way that that viewpoint equals 'arrogance'.

Wow....

 

[princessmom29]

Excellent post, Candy!

Also, many of the comments here are meaningless unless one takes into consideration that the biggest 'states right' that the south was fighting for is the right for white citizens to practice slavery.

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NO IT WAS NOT!!!!! The Confederacy had ITS OWN PLAN to END SLAVERY. NO ONE WAS FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHT TO OWN SLAVES!!!!! TOTAL FALLACY!!!!!! Everyone on all sides agreed that slavery was bad and had to end. That was NOT,NOT,NOT the reason the civil war was faught.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

... No matter how heinous the crime, if it was legal at the time, we shall not judge.

Most of the world firmly believed in slavery. It was part of every culture in the world. Every single one. There are slave owners in all of our pasts, just as there are slaves. To suggest that every person on the planet was evil because of slavery is beyong arrogant - it is ignorant. It makes pretenses. But I can see that this discussion is beyond you, so I'll save the rest.

Peace...