Should men be forced into fatherhood?

poohandwendy said:
Wow, that is a horrible situation.

This is definitely a situation where I think the courts should find in favor of the man. Shouldn't a woman have a legal obligation to tell a man that he is to become a father, if she wants support from him? That is just twisted. And in a case like that, I imagine the issue of paternity would be raised. I mean, I would be wondering...18 years without a word?


Yes it just doesn't seem right. I think there must be something more to it then that, because I just can't imagine any judge siding with the mother in this (no mater who her currente husband is.) The other thing that doesn't seem right it you think the case would be one that would get some puplicity, (like the one that started this.)

This they say this is the whole story. It is very sad becaue the man (now 45 years old) is out of work to do a injury and is living rent free at my friends house (he used to pay rent, but owes them like 2 years of rent. ) They want to move and kick him out, but fear he will commit sucide if they do. They are working slowly at getting him out on his own, but it isn't easy (especailly since he is friend and they don't want him homeless.) Still I think a better lawyer in order.
 
Wow, that is just amazing. Reminds moe of what Nance touched on earlier. In PA we have an antiquated paternity law that actually upheld that a man had to continue paying child suport after it was proven that his ex-wife cheated on him and had a child that was not his. The law was set up to keep families together and to look out for the welfare of the child. But, in light of Dna testing, and in this case the woman KNEW who the real father was and they were divorced when the child was very young...they would not go after the biological father, they would not even make her name him so that he was held responsible.

I have no idea how it ended up because it was going to appeal. But I was stunned that a judge found him legally responsible for a child that was proven to not be his, and due to his ex-wifes extramarital affair.
 
poohandwendy said:
I guess part of my reasoning comes from the fact that I worked with many unwed pregnant teens and it was alarming how many of them just assumed that carrying his baby would automatically tie him emotionally and financially to her forever, like an insurance policy. Just does not work that way because men who realy, really do not want any oart of it will do everything in their power to avoid the reponsibility. I am not even just talking about purposeful pregnancies.


I am talking about not worrying about protect8ing themselves because they think they have him caught. Bottom line, men don't wait for their period to show up, they don't carry a pregnancy fo 9 months. They are not going to be as worried about pregnancy as women.

This sort of law is not going to make nhonorable men suddenly dishonorable.

But, it would make women (who do end up with the burden if they get pregnant and continue the pregnancy) think long and hard about it before hand. Ie, I may be on my own here...do I want to take that chance?

As it stands, holding men responsible financially is not making stronger families.

JMHO


Great post and ITA! :thumbsup2
 
poohandwendy said:
Wow, that is just amazing. Reminds moe of what Nance touched on earlier. In PA we have an antiquated paternity law that actually upheld that a man had to continue paying child suport after it was proven that his ex-wife cheated on him and had a child that was not his. The law was set up to keep families together and to look out for the welfare of the child. But, in light of Dna testing, and in this case the woman KNEW who the real father was and they were divorced when the child was very young...they would not go after the biological father, they would not even make her name him so that he was held responsible.

I have no idea how it ended up because it was going to appeal. But I was stunned that a judge found him legally responsible for a child that was proven to not be his, and due to his ex-wifes extramarital affair.


That is just wrong too. I guess it is pretty clear that nothing is clear in issues like this. It all gets very messy. Especailly with lies and cover ups. I guess if it wasn't for that Muary wouldn't have a T.V. show. :rotfl:
 

simpilotswife said:
But that is her choice. And what about the kid who now has to get a job and not graduate or wind up in a minimum wage job? Why should he be stuck with that life because of someone else's decision.

You want the man to be responsible because the woman has to be responsible. What you seem to be overlooking is that it is her choice to assume that responsibility. A man does not have any say in that choice at all.

A better solution I think would be for the father to decide who gets to raise the child. If he has to pay child support then he should be able to say who raises the child.....whaddya think?


Who are you kidding? The courts in this country are on the side of the mother. How many abused children go back to their mothers? How many children live with their mother because the court sided with them?



I will address the latter part of your argument first. The courts in this country are on the side of the child and the parent who has the physical responsibility of raising that child. My brother has custody of his daughter after a long and bitter court battle of proving the child's mother as unfit. The courts were NEVER on her side. So, your stating otherwise if far from accurate.

As for the woman choosing to have the baby, you fail to take into consideration the moral issues some have opposing abortion. Some view it as a mistake, but topping it off with an abortion would be another mistake. Go do a little research and you'll see the psychological problems many women face after having one too.

So, a man can make the same mistake and should be able to just walk away? When you convince a judge that you're right, you let me know. I have the law behind my position and rightfully so. Now, if the man doesn't want bothered with raising a child physically, there he is free to walk.

BTW, my brother was 16 when he got a 21 year old pregnant. When he was in a better position (He was never forced to quit school to pay support and I challenge you to show me some instances of your so called facts that minor boys are forced to quit school to support these children. You're the one stating that as factual, so back it up) he fought tooth and nail for custody after my niece had 3rd degree burns, lived in a vehicle, and had an incident of broken bone in the hip area.... etc. The judge had no sympathy for this mother. My brother was probably around 24 or so and he has raised his daughter since. She is now 21 and has no relationship whatsoever with her mother.

The good news however is, the law will never allow the father to simply walk away without facing any financial consequences. We can argue back and forth till we're both blue in the face, but I sleep well knowing that these fathers will be forced to pay for their mistakes and that I as a taxpayer won't be having to foot the entire bill.

As has already been stated, if a man really wants no children, he has the ability to make sure that he doesn't have any. If he's too lazy or simply chooses not to wear the condom, it's a mistake that he'll have to live with regardless of the outcome. That outcome might be positive HIV results too.

Oh, and if the father is paying support and wants a hand in raising that child, no court in this nation will refuse him. You fail to understand the laws of the nation and it shows thru crystal clear in your post.
 
poohandwendy said:
Wow, that is just amazing. Reminds moe of what Nance touched on earlier. In PA we have an antiquated paternity law that actually upheld that a man had to continue paying child suport after it was proven that his ex-wife cheated on him and had a child that was not his. The law was set up to keep families together and to look out for the welfare of the child. But, in light of Dna testing, and in this case the woman KNEW who the real father was and they were divorced when the child was very young...they would not go after the biological father, they would not even make her name him so that he was held responsible.

I have no idea how it ended up because it was going to appeal. But I was stunned that a judge found him legally responsible for a child that was proven to not be his, and due to his ex-wifes extramarital affair.

I don't think we were talking about the same case and that's even more troubling that it has happened more than once.

In the case I was referring to, the woman actually married the father of 2 of her children while the ex still had to pay the support for all 3 of the kids.

I just can't understand why any judge would rule this way. It's certainly not the first instance of stupid rulings though. Heck, a judge in Juneau recently allowed a jury to deliberate and come back hung, then AFTER having not reached a verdict, she denied the state from representing evidence that the jury had heard and had deliberated on. I have NEVER in my life heard of such a ruling after the jury deliberated. Why did she not declare a mistrial if that's the case? I was so happy to hear that the state is appealing her ruling, but I know it's rare to overturn a judge's ruling.

Some judges simply want to push ideology and it's just unbelievable at times that they rule the way they do.
 
simpilotswife said:
A better solution I think would be for the father to decide who gets to raise the child. If he has to pay child support then he should be able to say who raises the child.....whaddya think?


Who are you kidding? The courts in this country are on the side of the mother. How many abused children go back to their mothers? How many children live with their mother because the court sided with them?

First of all, the man only pays for part of the support of a child and so no he should not get to decide who raises the child because he pays for part of it.

Who are you kidding? Women have custody in ths country because men usually don't contest it. When they do, it is about 50-50 who gets awarded custody and its more based on which parent can afford the better lawyer and not on genitalia.

As for children being sent back to abusive parents, that has nothing to do with gender either.
 
L107ANGEL said:
Hey I remember you!!! You threw us off by not having the Hurricanes logo in your sig. I see you are still trying to bring flowers and sunshine to the Dis again. Welcome back fan!

Lightbulb moment for me, too, Angel--missed the 'cane sig.

At least we got the G-rated version of the tale here at the DIS. :sad2:
 


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