Scooter issues again

[kaytieeldr]

I ask all of you that seem to be piling on, how would like me to react to be displaced by a scooter?

In your position, I would calmly tell the driver that your family will be exiting the bus and waiting for the next one because you don't feel safe standing with children.

 

[goofieslonglostsis]

I would love the opportunity to spend some time with you, keep in mind though I'm not interested in calling out folks that NEED The scooters. Use them, enjoy the parks with your families. If you fall into that catagory then we have NO problems with each other, but I won't back out of my offer.

The thing is; a book is difficult, if not impossible, to judge based on it's cover. Years ago, I would've been the one you could've seen walking behind a wheelchair, rotating between walking and sitting down.

People judge constantly and this topic doesn't particularly help reduce that imho. I've had too many folks state they 'do not have a problem with me', yet somehow I do get the stares, the whispers and occasional hostilaty. I'm not saying YOU are that person, I am saying that these types of topics tend to be attracting those folks.

As far as the offer; it stands. I'm a nut that likes to meet other folks anyway and know from first hand experience that it is nearly impossible to have a real idea what it is like to wheel around, until you do it. I had compassion, but hadn't a clue until my own chair came aknocking at the door. If it helps even one person understand somewhat better and see how it works at WDW, I'm all for it.

My biggest concern and one of the resons for the thread is I would hope that a ECV rider, everyone of the ECV riders have a heart.

No need to hope, each human being has a heart. Those wheeling around are just like those walking around. We come in all shapes, including those with a nasty additude.

I'm being asked to be compassionate, caring and i'm also being accused of being intolerant.

I'm not saying you're intolerant, I do think you might judge some books by their cover. Take the 'walking around behind the wheelchair'. It might look very suspicious but for all you know the person is alternating between walking and rolling.

I have cardiomyopathy and several years ago I was on a heart transplant list before the development of Coreg, a beta-blocker used to slow the heart but increase its output.

Great that medical science never stops developping and found something that helps you out.

Since that time my heart function has returned to nearly normal. My point is if I speed up time to say 20 years from now and my heart condition does cause me to be scooter bound. I'm thinking that if i'm presented with me and my scooter displacing a sleeping child in her mothers arms, my choice would be to wait on the next bus.

lastly, we diid get off at the next stop, with my sleeping Daughter in Mom's arms, my 4 year old now standing beside me with 2 strollers and bags I felt it was an unsafe situation, throw in the eratic driving of the CM and I had enough.

While I can understand the feeling of the preverbial last straw, I do have a bit of a hard time understanding why it had to come to this point. I'm not one of those folks that is 'pro' staying in parks to such an extend kids fall asleep in the parks and/or on the way back. Not for the kids sake and because of the situation you are describing juggling sleeping kids, strollers, and what not more.

I was aware that we were sitting in seats for ECVs, I also know that at loading time there was no ECV, and the bus was seconds from moving off when a family member tapped on the front door of the bus. I ask all of you that seem to be piling on, how would like me to react to be displaced by a scooter? watching MY Wife and daughter hang on for life till the next stop? while ECV person is strapped securely to tiedowns and family with the ECV rider seated safely? I would have prefered to hear from someone, "wow, that is unfortunate, a rare unfortunate occurance and i'm sorry it happened, I understand why you might have been upset." but instead I get...well you knew you were in the seats...and how about I trade you my condition, and Kids are not a disability.....BS. I was most certainly mad and frustrated and has no bearing on how compassionate I am.

Might be me having on some pink coloured glasses, but I did read multiple folks addressing the thing I bolded in your quote. It is rare, allthough it can happen. I tend to not flag down a bus when I see it about to pull out of the stop and hope for a spot on the next bus. As far as I've seen, most will.

As you're planning on staying at CBR; be aware of the oppertunity of an ECV or wheelchair boarding at the next village after you've boarded. Happens all the time. Same goes for when coming back from the parks; if you are standing in the area around the backdoor and/or wheelchair/ECV spot and the user needs to get off before you. You would have to get off the bus, let the person get off and get back on yourself again. Something to take into consideration when still having the option of picking sits and/or areas where to stand.

 

[goofieslonglostsis]

Good question, I actually never sit on a Disney Bus. I always stand with 2 stollers, I have pictures from trip 2/7-2/10. I assure my wife and children are sitting. The only time I sat was on Tuesday 2/9 we took a long time leaving MK after it closed and we were the only folks on the bus.

You DEFINATELY need to do some touring with me. I regularly run into busses with seats to spare. But then again, I tend to avoid busier times like park opening, closing etc. Around those hours it'll be (a lot) more crowded.

About the 2 strollers; don't know how old the oldest is but have you looked into a 'ride along' board? Don't know what they're called in the US, but they are those clip on boards you can easily clip onto a stroller. They've got wheels under them and a child can stand on them safely so they don't have to walk. It is a bit of a pain pushing the stroller with a board attached but you could remove it when the older one walks and it is easier than juggling 2 strollers amongst crowds and on and off the busses.

 

[vicki_c]

Scuba - I think what you said here early on might sum up your trip best -- not very magical. I think I've seen all the posts you've made since you came back and IMO they all seem kind of on the miserable side.

Maybe it just wasn't a good trip overall, but I'm hoping you had SOME happiness on it!

 

[scuba]

You DEFINATELY need to do some touring with me. I regularly run into busses with seats to spare. But then again, I tend to avoid busier times like park opening, closing etc. Around those hours it'll be (a lot) more crowded.

About the 2 strollers; don't know how old the oldest is but have you looked into a 'ride along' board? Don't know what they're called in the US, but they are those clip on boards you can easily clip onto a stroller. They've got wheels under them and a child can stand on them safely so they don't have to walk. It is a bit of a pain pushing the stroller with a board attached but you could remove it when the older one walks and it is easier than juggling 2 strollers amongst crowds and on and off the busses.

I'm a compassionate bloake, really I am. You cannot get through 15 years of ER nursing and not be. I actually appreciate the responses, some have been tolerant of me...some a little less so. I never came out with no scooters should be allowed, I happen to see what "I" believe to be misuse. Several here have admitted to such misuse. It isn't difficult to pick out.

I hope we can make this happen. Our 15 year anniversary is on the 7th of October. We have 2 children, Hannah who will be 4 and Rachel who will be nearly 3. Both excellent girls. The flighgt home we got dozens of compliments from business travelers commenting on how good they were. They would most assuredly take to you. Add in a love of pin trading and our oldest wouldn't leave you alone. I often try to experience things that might open up my eyes.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Several here have admitted to such misuse

Would you mind posting, if not the links, at least the thread numbers? I don't recall anyone claiming misuse.

 

[Sleepy]

I would have prefered to hear from someone, "wow, that is unfortunate, a rare unfortunate occurance and i'm sorry it happened, I understand why you might have been upset." but instead I get...well you knew you were in the seats...and how about I trade you my condition, and Kids are not a disability.....BS. I was most certainly mad and frustrated and has no bearing on how compassionate I am.

You can only expect to receive sympathy if you give it. You entered the thread by pointing fingers and making accusations and continue to do so. I honestly believe you will receive the same amount of sympathy here that you show your patients in the ER. Sorry, but I am not seeing any sincerity or compassion in your posts. Just look at your post. You want people to feel sorry for you standing after losing your seat and you talk about the driver making the situation worse, but you still point your finger at the ECV rider as the reason you were in that situation.

 

[scuba]

Scuba - I think what you said here early on might sum up your trip best -- not very magical. I think I've seen all the posts you've made since you came back and IMO they all seem kind of on the miserable side.

Maybe it just wasn't a good trip overall, but I'm hoping you had SOME happiness on it!

This was really the nicest post i've read...thank you, It wasn't our best...missing CC on our Cruise portion, rain, we had a camera stolen that I didn't mention, My DD4 lost about $100.00 worth of pins on a lanyard.

We are bouncing back in October, different agenda, maybe less stress, Different traveling style, less clutter.........There was magical moments, Hannah was chosen as a VIP at the Festival of the Lion King. She has taken to pin trading and we have taught her to say "you sure have a lot of nice pins there" and "have a magical day" when she doesn't see anything she wants to trade for. Well that just tickled a CM at the Lion King festival and she was made a VIP for that showing. During Wishes it stopped raining just long enough to see Tinkerbell on the cable from the castle. her flight is weather permitting, and I was just praying to see her.

 

[scuba]

Would you mind posting, if not the links, at least the thread numbers? I don't recall anyone claiming misuse.

Post #22 a moderator. point 1. "do people misuse the scooter/ECV system at Disney? of course they do" no one openly admitted to misuse but come on Katieelder we all know it happens.....right? you do know there are most certainly folks that misuse the system...right? can we prove it...I suppose if we were not so scared to devulge our medical history to folks to prove it then I suppose we could.

 

[goofieslonglostsis]

I'm a compassionate bloake, really I am. You cannot get through 15 years of ER nursing and not be. I actually appreciate the responses, some have been tolerant of me...some a little less so. I never came out with no scooters should be allowed, I happen to see what "I" believe to be misuse. Several here have admitted to such misuse. It isn't difficult to pick out.

Really, believe me, I'm not particularly 'fond' of anybody that abuses the system. But any system we go with, there will always be a small percentage of those that will abuse it. Only way to be sure there is no abuse is to have nothing in place what so ever.

If I have learned anything after 10 years of wheeling around (sjeez, time does go by fast) is that it isn't always as clear cut as things might seem. That it is easy to get things wrong, even when we don't mean to. It's not up to me to judge, and all I can hope for is than someday the juding of me might stop if even for a month. (keep dreaming, hun )

I hope we can make this happen. Our 15 year anniversary is on the 7th of October. We have 2 children, Hannah who will be 4 and Rachel who will be nearly 3. Both excellent girls. The flighgt home we got dozens of compliments from business travelers commenting on how good they were. They would most assuredly take to you. Add in a love of pin trading and our oldest wouldn't leave you alone. I often try to experience things that might open up my eyes.

We should be able to make it happen, we've got enough time to make it happen. I'm only dragging along my mom. Allthough, she decided to tag along before I could even say yes. Guess WDW hit the right spot with her also. Great way to celebrate an anniversary if you ask me! We're celebrating my birthday on the 6th, aging when at WDW doesn't count after all.

 

[bavaria]

You can only expect to receive sympathy if you give it.

While most of us can understand how you feel, we don't appreciate the tone of your post. It comes off as unfeeling and somewhat nasty

These words do not display respect and I suspect that the attitude is similar in person

same person was seen by us gimping along, walking behind her wheel Chair

Thank goodness the discrimination bus just pulled in, and hopefully no one in my family is injured or mamed...blah, blah, blah.

In the case of the woman pushing her own unpowered wheelchair onto a bus with her ankle BOO BOO wrapped up with an ace......not so much

I'm being asked to be compassionate, caring and i'm also being accused of being intolerant.

I never came out with no scooters should be allowed, I happen to see what "I" believe to be misuse

 

[scuba]

You can only expect to receive sympathy if you give it. You entered the thread by pointing fingers and making accusations and continue to do so. I honestly believe you will receive the same amount of sympathy here that you show your patients in the ER. Sorry, but I am not seeing any sincerity or compassion in your posts. Just look at your post. You want people to feel sorry for you standing after losing your seat and you talk about the driver making the situation worse, but you still point your finger at the ECV rider as the reason you were in that situation.

With all do respect Sleepy you have NO clue as to the amount of compassion and respect and sympathy I provide my patients. It's this very same closed mindedness YOU are charging me with. Unless you have actually been a patient of mine then you have no idea. I don't believe that I have personally attacked anyone but you madam/sir have really crossed a line. I posted the topic with the intention of learning, I have indeed even to the point where a ECV rider has invited me to come along with them to see what I don't....I have little time for comments like this accusing me of not being compassionate to patients....I've listen to several posts asking me to spend a day in their shoes......working in a very busy Trauma ER in Southern Ohio, I'm willing to bet you cannot fathom the things I have seen.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Post #22 a moderator. point 1. "do people misuse the scooter/ECV system at Disney? of course they do" no one openly admitted to misuse

That's the general "they". I don't know if goofy4tink knows anyone personally who misuses an ECV - it's more likely that her post is based on what is generally presumed. I DO know that, since she does not USE an ECV, that she did not and could not have "admitted to such misuse".

Just common sense.

 

[kaytieeldr]

With all do respect Sleepy you have NO clue as to the amount of compassion and respect and sympathy I provide my patients.

Well, now, that's true. However, based on your repeated posts in this thread, we can easily infer how little compassion and respect and sympathy you provide to Disney Guests who inconvenience you.

 

[crashbb]

I posted the topic with the intention of learning

There is really no one that can convince me that WDW policy on scotters is correct,

These two statements contradict each other. Your mind was made up before you posted (as you said in your OP).

 

[scuba]

Just to point out one thing, I'm still here but a moderator is watching.....for all of you that find ECVs to be vital in maintaining your quality of life, you have the opportunity to change the mind of someone who at times have been intolerant of ECVs.

Are you really interested in blasting me to a point that I'll never change my mind? Have we really reached a low, to a point where a moderator cuts of the thread, after someone accuses me of being unsympatetic and uncompassionate as a Veteran nurse in a very busy ER? Look My road on this thread has been rough but i'm still here. You have my attention, I have an opportunity to spend time with a disboard member and their ECV. I'm willing, but I have little time for folks accusing me of being an unfit ER nurse.

 

[scuba]

Well, now, that's true. However, based on your repeated posts in this thread, we can easily infer how little compassion and respect and sympathy you provide to Disney Guests who inconvenience you.

Well, Then you are judging a book by it's cover now aren't you?

 

[kaytieeldr]

Well, Then you are judging a book by it's cover now aren't you?

.

 

[scuba]

That's the general "they". I don't know if goofy4tink knows anyone personally who misuses an ECV - it's more likely that her post is based on what is generally presumed. I DO know that, since she does not USE an ECV, that she did not and could not have "admitted to such misuse".

Just common sense.

It's also common sense that the misuse happens, and it's also common sense that I might have witnessed such misuse right?

 

[scuba]

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Touche' again an impass. As is typical with discussions such as this.....care to discuss stroller etiquette?