DUES Info! - All resorts dues have been released

[Tatebeck]

No, okay, here’s the deal because it’s clear you don’t pay utility bills or understand what the components are on them: I said natural gas commodity is passed on with no markup.You quoted a Google search that said the exact same thing I just said—and you argued I was wrong. You even bolded the words “zero markup” and I said the entire time “no markup.”

My entire point was that they SAY the commodity is passed on with no markup, but my entire contention is that the gas price at local hubs is $3/MMBtu, yet the gas charge is $6/MMBtu. That’s a 100% markup. You then talk about “LOL, build a pipeline/storage…” completely unaware that has nothing to do with what I said, and those charges are entirely separate from those numbers. Yikes.

Housekeeping labor is 70-80% of housekeeping costs in the hotel industry. Your Ai chatbot isn’t working very well.

Nor is reading comprehension. It’s not 40-65%; it’s “more than 65% of TOTAL housekeeping costs”

You’ve now gloated multiple times but you legitimately are not thoroughly reading what you’re quoting, and that’s the entire issue here.

I'll 100% admit that I thought you were just incorrectly reading your bill at first. That seemed very possible based on context and your other posts. You were saying "but they do mark it up" when everything else says that they do not mark it up. If they truly are, they aren't supposed to be, so contact someone about it rather than chatting online about it... But of course you must be right, so I own over 1,000 DVC points, but have never paid a bill before. I sure hope they don't lock my DVC account when I don't pay these new dues bills.
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I completely read and understand what I quoted and wrote, and please do not start throwing insults or the mods will have to shut the thread down or clear the discussion. You however seem to misunderstand that DVC is NOT a standard hotel no matter how many times I say it, so using your 100% hotel numbers (even if they were correct, which it doesn't look like they were) will simply not work for DVC.

I said I had seen numbers from 40ish to 60ish% for normal hotels
https://hospitality.institute/bha506/how-to-calculate-housekeeping-staffing-in-hotels/ "Staffing decisions ultimately impact profitability, making cost-effectiveness analysis crucial. Labor costs typically represent 35-45% of housekeeping department expenses"

Much lower than 70-80%, or even 65%, but it will vary of course. That is why what I quoted saying
"Labor typically makes up a significant portion of housekeeping costs, often around 40% of total room cleaning expenses in hotels, and over 65% of total housekeeping expenses according to one report. This can vary widely, but it is consistently the largest expense category for hotel operations."

So 35-65% which is already a huge range, and much lower than your nebulously found 70-80% number, and "can vary widely, but it is consistently the largest expense category for hotel operations" simply can't/shouldn't be simply ported across to DVC which is a very different system (and which likely has a much lower labor percentage due to the infrequent cleanings compared to hotels)

TLDR: You shouldn't use made up numbers (or even sourced numbers), or use just the highest part of a huge range of numbers, that "can vary widely," specifically from hotel operations, and then use them to say for sure that you know (with no proof) that the DVC housekeeping numbers are illegally padded... Any questions?

but please, no more questions

 

[Stank]

Makes sense. I just looked at the numbers for Riviera, and they had almost a 15% increase in the Housekeeping budget, so the BLT doesn't seem as much of an aberration in that context.

Yeah, it’s not even reasonable. Labor rates went up 4.35%, yet somehow housekeeping charges are triple that.

Simply questioning how these dues are arrived at is “conspiracy theory” level thinking. Because, you know, many don’t understand the concept of weighted average costs.

 

[BeachClub2014]

I think you are looking at the resort-wide totals, and those are higher because there are more rooms declared.

The per-point increase was pretty modest. The budget for 2026 had housekeeping at $2.1713 pp. For 2026 it is budgeted at $2.2278, or an increase of 2.6% (which is lower than I computed the first time---I am not sure what I got wrong there; must have mis-typed a number somewhere.)

Yes, I was comparing the Housekeeping line items in the budget, which increased 15% YOY. The dues per point did not increase 15%. I was looking at budget numbers.

TBH, I thought that was what @Stank and @Tatebeck were debating.

My bad.

 

[mkatsy]

That makes sense. Cheap rooms for a birthday party or something. And available with pretty short notice usually. Not to mention all the OKW and SSR that get thrown out there for the Interval International crowd. That would qualify as a type of "rental" in my book

One of the biggest draws, besides the price is the access to parking. Both OKW and SSR are fairly liberal with allowing day guests to park, and Disney Springs is a back up option if needed. There is no way to have a birthday party at Riviera. Your guests can’t park there, and I’m sure a dozen people parading through the lobby with gifts would attract attention. But SSR and OKW because of their sprawling grounds, are pretty private, especially if you don’t reserve preferred rooms.

 

[Tatebeck]

Yeah, it’s not even reasonable. Labor rates went up 4.35%, yet somehow housekeeping charges are triple that.

Simply questioning how these dues are arrived at is “conspiracy theory” level thinking. Because, you know, many don’t understand the concept of weighted average costs.

*6.2% (ish), assuming that a further change hasn't been made since the 2023 agreement, 0 overtime, etc.

 

[airjay75]

I think @Brian Noble had a pretty plausible argument on the high jump in housekeeping for BLT - if large chunks of the resort were always out of commission in 2025, you presumably needed less housekeepers than you do now that all rooms are available. So, this year you need an average of 5 housekeepers per every few floors, but maybe next year, they'll need 6 housekeepers per the same amount of floors. Let's say wages for 2025 were $20/hour, and they've gone up to $20.90/hour (a 4.5% increase).

5x$20 = $100/hour for all 3 housekeepers
6x$20.90 = $125.40/hour for all 4 housekeepers.

That would actually be about a 25% increase in labor. If you mess around with the ratio, you can probably get it down to 17%.

Seem as good a hypothesis as any to me

 

[Tatebeck]

I think @Brian Noble had a pretty plausible argument on the high jump in housekeeping for BLT - if large chunks of the resort were always out of commission in 2025, you presumably needed less housekeepers than you do now that all rooms are available. So, this year you need an average of 5 housekeepers per every few floors, but maybe next year, they'll need 6 housekeepers per the same amount of floors. Let's say wages for 2025 were $20/hour, and they've gone up to $20.90/hour.

5x$20 = $100/hour for all 3 housekeepers
6x$20.90 = $125.40/hour for all 4 housekeepers.

That would actually be about a 25% increase in labor. If you mess around with the ratio, you can probably get it down to 17%.

Seem as good a hypothesis as any to me

You mean they may not be padding the numbers illegally and adding extra just because?