ROFR Thread Oct to Dec 2020 *PLEASE SEE FIRST POST FOR INSTRUCTIONS & FORMATTING TOOL*

[glitterchick14]

glitterchick14---$85-$7315-80-HH-Apr-0/19, 0/20, 80/21, 80/22- sent 10/9, passed 10/31

 

[glitterchick14]

slightly off topic but is anyone else having issues with the DVC website today? Getting the Seven Dwarfs when we try to log in today so we're hoping that's because our resale contract is getting added.

I cannot access it either today.

 

[poofyo101]

I was wondering the same thing. Does a broker or certain title company have pull with the ROFR people? It’s just so all over the place. I would love to know who the people that passed in 10-15 days used. See if there is a pattern!

They have always gone in order. This is just weird that its still essentially in order, but then some random ones here and there that are passed and taken. IT was also normal for some to take slightly longer due to contract discrepancies and addendums but for the most part always in order and still in order. I have one still waiting from 9/11 but with delayed closing all the way in march however its way below the SSR threshold so who knows.

 

[DonnerB]

Same issue here. Cannot access my account.

Me either.

 

[mlittig]

I could access my DVC account earlier today but not recently

 

[UrsulaWantsYourSoul]

glitterchick14---$85-$7315-80-HH-Apr-0/19, 0/20, 80/21, 80/22- sent 10/9, passed 10/31

Congrats! That's fast! Welcome Home!

 

[Einstein509]

No because I honestly don’t think these is one set standard and it changes all the time on purpose.

Trends can be determined, and certain resorts go through periods where it seems of more interest,

But, the needs of DVD for taking points back changes. For example, I wonder if they are taking SSR and OKW more now because they used expensive RIV points on hand to give to owners who had expired 2018 banked points.

Since what DVD owns is what is used for OTU points, maybe they are replenishing what had to be given out?

Maybe it is because they know sales for the next year will be lower than normal and it will be easier to sell those two resorts at $165 vs RIV at $195.

Ok, but again, you're telling me that there's no one out there who can allude to the algorithms or other methods DVD uses? Loaded versus stripped contracts, Use Years, what PPT they are going for each resort, large versus small contracts, how they view international sellers, how annual fees play into each deal, point distribution and allocation......I could go on and on. I just find it hard to believe there's no one out there that can shed any light on this. All we have is folks on these forums guessing and trying to make sense of the data. That just doesn't pass the common sense test. Sorry.

 

[Einstein509]

They have always gone in order. This is just weird that its still essentially in order, but then some random ones here and there that are passed and taken. IT was also normal for some to take slightly longer due to contract discrepancies and addendums but for the most part always in order and still in order. I have one still waiting from 9/11 but with delayed closing all the way in march however its way below the SSR threshold so who knows.

Nope, I had one taken 20 days in......totally out of order.

 

[Sandisw]

Ok, but again, you're telling me that there's no one out there who can allude to the algorithms or other methods DVD uses? Loaded versus stripped contracts, Use Years, what PPT they are going for each resort, large versus small contracts, how the view international sellers, how annual fees play into each deal, point distribution and allocation......I could go on and on. I just find it hard to believe there's no one out there that can shed any light on this. All we have is folks on these forums guessing and trying to make sense of the data. That just doesn't pass the common sense test. Sorry.

I am just telling you that from information I have heard, it is meant to be this way and that there truly is no one set of rules that apply. It is done that way for a reason, based on the specific needs at the time.

It may not seem like common sense but that is the purpose.

Been around since 2009 analyzing the data and can tell you,
other than the international seller being a good bet it will pass, things have changed in trying to predict.

Just look at what is taken and what passes. Sometimes it simply does not make sense, which is exactly what they want. If it was a set algorithm, etc, it wouldn’t take them as long as it does to decide.

Again, my DD is in a different division of the company and I know there are things she is simply not allowed to share.

 

[LMH6]

LMH6---$98-$16576-150-SSR-Oct-0/19, 134/20, 150/21, 150/22-Seller pays MF '20- sent 10/1, taken 10/30

Without wasting any time, we submitted an offer on an AKV contract today & it was accepted. I will post a formatted string when it's sent to ROFR.

 

[Einstein509]

I am just telling you that from information I have heard, it is meant to be this way and that there truly is no one set of rules that apply. It is done that way for a reason, based on the specific needs at the time.

It may not seem like common sense but that is the purpose.

Been around since 2009 analyzing the data and can tell you,
other than the international seller being a good bet it will pass, things have changed in trying to predict.

Just look at what is taken and what passes. Sometimes it simply does not make sense, which is exactly what they want. If it was a set algorithm, etc, it wouldn’t take them as long as it does to decide.

Again, my DD is in a different division of the company and I know there are things she is simply not allowed to share.

Ok, so why are we on here trying to make sense of it all and gathering data? If it truly is random.....then why do it?

 

[Sandisw]

Ok, so why are we on here trying to make sense of it all and gathering data? If it truly is random.....then why do it?

Because you can see treads for the current time frame and as things change, you make new decisions.

When DVD was shut down in the spring, they were waiving everything, so people got great deals.

Now, it seems SSR, VGF, and OKW are at the top of their list. Last year, it was a different resort

3 years ago I got SSR for $73 because it was making it through. Now if you want that resort, you have a better chance over $100.

As soon as we see more pass in the $90s , we will know DVD has adjusted.

Many of the people here use information from what has happened to others as a guide.

It may not be perfect and much of it guess work, but it is still helpful to many

 

[limace]

Ok, but again, you're telling me that there's no one out there who can allude to the algorithms or other methods DVD uses? Loaded versus stripped contracts, Use Years, what PPT they are going for each resort, large versus small contracts, how they view international sellers, how annual fees play into each deal, point distribution and allocation......I could go on and on. I just find it hard to believe there's no one out there that can shed any light on this. All we have is folks on these forums guessing and trying to make sense of the data. That just doesn't pass the common sense test. Sorry.

I see that you’re brand new here-not quite sure where you’re going with this? Do you think there’s a secret formula that others on the boards are hiding from you? None of us really knows how Disney decides what to ROFR. I’m sure they have some guidelines, and my guess they have to do with a bunch of things:
-what direct points they have buyers wanting (eg lots of SSR and OKW-perhaps when buyers wanted cheapest direct points)
-some attempt to keep resale high to drive folks to direct and preserve value of the brand.
-some effort to convert OKW 42 into OKW 57.
-whether they need other points for OTU, for instance.

 

[LoveMugsNPins]

Ok, so why are we on here trying to make sense of it all and gathering data? If it truly is random.....then why do it?

Because it is fun!

 

[Cupcake232]

They have always gone in order. This is just weird that its still essentially in order, but then some random ones here and there that are passed and taken. IT was also normal for some to take slightly longer due to contract discrepancies and addendums but for the most part always in order and still in order. I have one still waiting from 9/11 but with delayed closing all the way in march however its way below the SSR threshold so who knows.

Exactly! I can see them skimming through a pile when they need a certain number of points and taking the one that is the best deal. What I find so odd is that they are passing some contracts after only 10 days. When I purchased my last resale contract I didn’t see this at all. I saw the contracts pass right in order. Strange happenings in ROFR land

 

[Cupcake232]

Because you can see treads for the current time frame and as things change, you make new decisions.

When DVD was shut down in the spring, they were waiving everything, so people got great deals.

Now, it seems SSR, VGF, and OKW are at the top of their list. Last year, it was a different resort

3 years ago I got SSR for $73 because it was making it through. Now if you want that resort, you have a better chance over $100.

As soon as we see more pass in the $90s , we will know DVD has adjusted.

Many of the people here use information from what has happened to others as a guide.

It may not be perfect and much of it guess work, but it is still helpful to many

I love to get on the DISBoards and see what everyone is able to get through and what gets taken. I don’t use it to decide what I am willing to pay, but it is helpful to have an idea of what Disney is currently taking. It helps guide my decision on what is a reasonable offer

 

[Stargazer65]

Because it is fun!

Exactly! Like what else are we here for LOL!

 

[Einstein509]

I see that you’re brand new here-not quite sure where you’re going with this? Do you think there’s a secret formula that others on the boards are hiding from you? None of us really knows how Disney decides what to ROFR. I’m sure they have some guidelines, and my guess they have to do with a bunch of things:
-what direct points they have buyers wanting (eg lots of SSR and OKW-perhaps when buyers wanted cheapest direct points)
-some attempt to keep resale high to drive folks to direct and preserve value of the brand.
-some effort to convert OKW 42 into OKW 57.
-whether they need other points for OTU, for instance.

I'm not brand new to the resale game, played it a few years ago and been watching the forums. Where I'm going with this is that Disney tries very hard to keep its secrets, but eventually things leak out because, well, we're dealing with human beings. So in all the time that DVD/DVC has been around with resales, there isn't one person on any forum that can shed light on the process? We're all on here guessing at what happens or trying to guess from the trends.....but that's all it is, guessing. People consistently have questions as to why some contracts get taken at 10 days and some at 30, why some pass early, why certain resorts get targeted, how DVD sorts and looks through contracts in ROFR. I could go on and on. Still waiting on that one individual to speak up and say, "well, I worked there for a few years and here's the deal...."

 

[supersnoop]

I'm not brand new to the resale game, played it a few years ago and been watching the forums. Where I'm going with this is that Disney tries very hard to keep its secrets, but eventually things leak out because, well, we're dealing with human beings. So in all the time that DVD/DVC has been around with resales, there isn't one person on any forum that can shed light on the process? We're all on here guessing at what happens or trying to guess from the trends.....but that's all it is, guessing. People consistently have questions as to why some contracts get taken at 10 days and some at 30, why some pass early, why certain resorts get targeted, how DVD sorts and looks through contracts in ROFR. I could go on and on. Still waiting on that one individual to speak up and say, "well, I worked there for a few years and here's the deal...."

I imagine it has more to do with fielding requests for direct add-ons. If a contract comes in for ROFR and someone calls wanting those same points, they likely take it. That's why it seems so random, because the main variable is something we can't possibly know.

Another theory has to do with the unity number of the contract. If DVD wants to combine contracts to sell a larger set of points, they need to pull from the same unit, so sometimes we see the same unit get taken several times. Unfortunately, that's not something we track.

 

[Winston Wolf]

I imagine it has more to do with fielding requests for direct add-ons. If a contract comes in for ROFR and someone calls wanting those same points, they likely take it. That's why it seems so random, because the main variable is something we can't possibly know.

Another theory has to do with the unity number of the contract. If DVD wants to combine contracts to sell a larger set of points, they need to pull from the same unit, so sometimes we see the same unit get taken several times. Unfortunately, that's not something we track.

what’s weird is when they take stripped contracts. They then have to sit on them and wait for points to come available before they can resell it.