Pop Warner Fight?

[luvthemouse71]

It's a shame that a large group is getting such negative publicity because of a few. Before anyone starts blaming Disney, though, let's start with who is supposed to teach their kids how to behave while they are away from home. Anyone out there who ever went on a school trip and really misbehaved? Or did your parents teach you how to behave away from them?

I do think Disney was correct in throwing out the responsible groups ASAP. Again, going back to your childhood - anyone have to stay after school just because one person acted up in class?

Not stay after school, but we had recesses, class parties etc taken away from the whole class because of one or two people. On field trips we were expected to behave because we were representing the school. You have to realize though that parents had a lot more control over their offspring then(1970's-80's) and I went to Catholic school for 12 years. The teachers still did corporal punishment, and I was told by my mother never to come home and cry because the teacher punished me, because I would be punished again for getting in trouble. Thankfully, I was a pretty well behaved kid!

I went on a senior year trip to England and Ireland and we actually had meetings before this trip that were mandatory. Much of these meetings were planning but we were told in no uncertain terms that were were expected to behave and even had to sign a contract(our parents had to sign it too).

I'm going to sound like a grumpy ol' fart when I say this but many kids these days have no healthy fear of discipline. I'm not talking about beating your kids, but they have to know that if they do something wrong that there will be consequences and that the adults in their lives mean what they say. My mother always told me "I'm NOT your friend, I am your mother" and believe it or not, we are very close and I have lots of respect for her. Too many parents are afraid to parent and want to be best buddies with their kids. Unfortunately, the rest of society has to deal with the results of overpermissive parents. Kudos to Disney for not backing down, especially since it is stated that if one member of the party is involved in a violent act, the whole group will be told to leave.

OK, done complaining now!

 

[niclodn]

luvthemouse71, you hit the nail on the head! I agree 100%!

 

[chrismb22]

Just read the whole thread and watched the video and I think the woman on the tape is blaming the wrong party. That's what's stated and she should blame the people involved in the fight. They ruined it for everyone and so what if they have babies/kids. Well, then those kids will learn a valuable lesson won't they -- on how to behave.

Like a previous poster said in 13 years of Catholic school (that's counting kindergarten) I learned that if one person in my group acted up, we would all be punished. I also learned if I came home and said "Sister XX hollared at me today" first thing my mother would say was "what did you do?"

The only thing I don't understand is how were they supposed to get off Disney property? Disney is pretty big LOL -- were shuttles provided to get them offsite etc?

 

[tink1978]

The story I read and the news video I saw say this occured in a Hotel Arcade. Are there two separate instances, one in the Magic Kingdom, and one in the Hotel Arcade?
Anyway, it seems that people from the teams involved were upset at the way things were handled and that they had to leave in the middle of the night. What does everyone think about the way it was handled? Personally, since it is apparently the policy of Disney to immediately remove the entire group(even thought not everyone was involved), I believe it was handled the proper way.

I think it was handled appropriately. It might have made them upset, but they were violent toward one another. I think it's appropriate to remove them immediately. They could have hurt an innocent person in the process and everyone's safety is the ultimate goal.

 

[jngwright]

I agree with the sentiment that teenagers (not all, but some) have little regard for the consequences to their actions.
I work with teenagers (800+ a year)and on occasion, we have to ask them to leave due to(atrocious) behavior. We have NEVER had a phone call or note from the student or the parent apologizing for the students actions. We do, however, get a call from the parent screaming and yelling and defending their student nearly everytime. Even the mother of a student who was removed because he was throwing things at a handicapped student defended her sons actions. "Boys will be boys; he should have been given ANOTHER chance" When the students know this will be their parent's response, why should they behave or respect other adults? They are a product of their environment.
Again, I KNOW not all teens are like this, but from experience, it is true that alot of parents want to be their kid's friend instead of parent.

 

[huge mickey fan]

I think Disney has the right policy and I think it did the right thing in "asking" all guests in the party to leave. However, if I was among that party and my kid did nothing wrong, I would stay in the my room and refuse to leave until the next morning. I'm no lawyer but I think their are certian rights that a guest has and certian obligations that a host has to their guests when they are paid to board the guest.

Read the fine print of the little plackard on the back of your hotel room doors next time. I think this plackard outlines these rights.

Until a Sherrif or Police officer asks me to leave my paid room, I will stay in the room -- until it's convienient for me to leave (like the next morning).

I'm not advocating forceful rebellion or anarchy, but I do advocate standing up for your rights.

-byteshredder-

I would think there are just as many laws protecting large hotels such as Disney. I would bet if you read the fine print on any hotel bill or reservation it will say something along the lines that the hotel has the right to no longer let you stay there. Besides I would also bet that Pop Warner has some type of contract with it's players, but obvisiously people don't care about what is expected. Someone else mentioned that they sign a contract saying if 1 is violent they are all kicked out immediately. I am pretty sure it wouldn't say unless it is the middle of the night, you have other smaller kids or you simply refuse to leave unless police are involved. Being kicked out because of 1 is the chance you take going with a big group.

Just remember "1 bad apple can spoil the whole bunch".

I say good job Disney for taking a stand!!

 

[Disney Von Drake]

If you take the time to go back to the DIS homepage you will find the story, FACT NOT FICTION!! Besides my neice was there and saw this and it was at the MK. Not sure about the arcade story so can not verify that one?

I would suggest that you follow your own advice and take the time to read the article posted on the DIS homepage.

I read on the DIS homepage that it was in the MK late Saturday night between a team from Hawaii and one from Maryland. You can access the article right from the homepage here on the far right side.

There was no location given as to where the fight occurred in the report posted on the DIS. You assumed that report given to you by your niece and the event involving the Pop Warner members were the same event. Obviously they were two different incidents.

You have not reported facts. You have taken an anecdotal story told to you by your niece and confused it with a published press report and then engaged in idle speculation and rumor.

 

[OKWDVCMagic]

Having worked in the hospitality industry, I think we have not heard the full story. In most cases of unruly guests, hotels and restaurants try to discretely handle situations and will give several warnings to the offending groups or individuals prior to ejecting the guests.

I would think that either these specific groups or the Pop Warner organization were warned numerous times about what would happen next if any more physical confrontations occurred. I don't see WDW security on a whim deciding to kick out guests in the middle of the night. I think that WDW management decided that enough was enough and an example had to be made!

The line has been drawn in the sand and I applaud the press coverage. With the word out now, I expect Pop Warner will not be at WDW next year or if they return they will be more closely monitored and better behaved!

 

[I'mNoPrince]

Having worked in the hospitality industry, I think we have not heard the full story. In most cases of unruly guests, hotels and restaurants try to discretely handle situations and will give several warnings to the offending groups or individuals prior to ejecting the guests.

I would think that either these specific groups or the Pop Warner organization were warned numerous times about what would happen next if any more physical confrontations occurred. I don't see WDW security on a whim deciding to kick out guests in the middle of the night. I think that WDW management decided that enough was enough and an example had to be made!

The line has been drawn in the sand and I applaud the press coverage. With the word out now, I expect Pop Warner will not be at WDW next year or if they return they will be more closely monitored and better behaved!

This is what I think as well.

Maybe it did start in MK and then carried over to the arcade . This would be a sure sign that it was just going to continue on over the corse of the night so lets do everyone a favor and just get rid of them all.

You will never really know because Disney won't release all the info and the kids involved won't as it will make them look worse as well.

 

[deanainnc]

I am so glad Disney took a stand on this matter. We were at WDW last year during the PW week and it was awful. My kids encounter a group of football players at the ASMo's pool. This group of kids actually ran ever one out of the pool and the lifeguard had to call security to remove this group of kids from the poole area. And if this wasnt bad enough then this same group of kids went out to the parking lot area inspecting all the cars and security had to be called again on this same group. I emailed pop warner and was told that they had no control over the indivual groups of kids or their behavior it was up to their chaperons. But Disney handle my complaints alot better. They gave us back 20 percent of our 9 night resort stay plus gave my family of 4 3 day park hopper passes that doesnt expire till 2032. So we will go back but just not when this group is there.

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

It's still amazing that after all the problems others report with the Pop Warner kids that WDW let's them come back every year. If a guest who was not even with them and accidentally got hurt in one of their fights, would WDW finally not let them back on their property? Or does the thought of how much $ WDW makes off them enough to forgot what happened and they think by kicking out the teams involved is enough for WDW to do?

 

[OKWDVCMagic]

Out of curiosity I went to the Pop Warner website and located the forms for teams attending the PW 2007 WDW events.
Here is a link to the PDF document that details on PDF page 9 what will happen if groups or individuals cause disruptions.

http://www.popwarner.com/07superbowl/sbforms07/Second%20Manual%2007.pdf

The PW document dated September 2007 states that in previous years, groups have been sent home earlier at their own expense due to misconduct of the group. Sounds like PW has vast amount of experience on having teams or individuals kicked out of WDW. With all the press coverage it might be time to start sending a slew of letters to WDW customer service and PW on their groups behavior affect on other Disney patrons.

Heck, you can even quote PW's own memo

 

[seashoreCM]

Walt opened Disneyland specifically to provide an atmosphere free of fights, drunkenness, vulgarity, and the like.

The families told to leave in the middle of the night were probably already advised of that possibility earlier in the day when Disney management would size up the situation and make a decision in the hours following the disturbance.

At the very least, someone ejected from the park should forfeit some non-trivial amount of admission value. That person should not be able to upgrade his ticket for as little as two dollars a day and come back in a few days.

Disney should continue and refine the surgical removal of troublemakers as opposed to cancelling the entire Pop Warner program.

Disney hints: http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/disney.htm

 

[MouseyMin]

I already wrote most of this in another thread, but I was at one of the PW Hotels (French Quarter) during this week. The kids weren't bad - but some of the MOTHERS were completely obnoxious. One of them really told off a bus driver when he told the kids to stop cheering. The cheering wasn't the problem - it was the volume at which they were doing it. On a closed bus, it actually hurt my ears. The poor driver - he really got it from that woman. And what an example she was setting for the kids.

 

[Disney Von Drake]

I already wrote most of this in another thread, but I was at one of the PW Hotels (French Quarter) during this week. The kids weren't bad - but some of the MOTHERS were completely obnoxious. One of them really told off a bus driver when he told the kids to stop cheering. The cheering wasn't the problem - it was the volume at which they were doing it. On a closed bus, it actually hurt my ears. The poor driver - he really got it from that woman. And what an example she was setting for the kids.

I too have experienced the loud cheerleader bus syndrome on several occasions. I’ve even looked at the bus emergency exits trying to think of a way to throw the offenders off the bus. Thus far I have restrained myself.

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

I already wrote most of this in another thread, but I was at one of the PW Hotels (French Quarter) during this week. The kids weren't bad - but some of the MOTHERS were completely obnoxious. One of them really told off a bus driver when he told the kids to stop cheering. The cheering wasn't the problem - it was the volume at which they were doing it. On a closed bus, it actually hurt my ears. The poor driver - he really got it from that woman. And what an example she was setting for the kids.

I say good for the driver that he said something. If I were on the bus and there was lound cheering going on and the bus driver said nothing, I might have said could they please stop and consider that the others on the bus might not want to hear them. So it's good that one Cast Member was not afraid to say something and this example shows how some parents never want to blame their kids for doing something that was making others feel uncomfortable.

 

[alabamagirl]

I was definately not impressed by the conduct of many (not all) of the Pop Warner groups that we saw. Not to mention the way the young girls were dressed (or perhaps un-dressed might be more fitting).

I couldn't believe the way some of those girls were dressed either! Shorts up to there with their cheeks almost hanging out and most of them looked like short 21 year olds with all the makeup, etc. Parents, WHERE ARE YOU?????? Don't you care how your little girl looks when she walks out of the house? Unbelievable. I got a shock in the DME line when I saw them all last Sunday.

 

[digskat]

we just returned from our second, and last, trip during Pop Warner. We saw a group of 12 cheer-brats swarm a mother and daughter, because they were between them and Minnie Mouse. The mother had to drop to one knee, and pull her daughter in, because they were bowling past her. The CM had already closed the line, and was verbally accosted by the pre-teens, while the chaperones did nothing.
At Splash, another team decided the line was a great place to rehearse, until a guy in line informed them how obnoxious they were. The chaperones were critiquing their cheers, instead of stopping them. A CM spared us, by sending them through by themselves. At AK, a group of cheer-brats were stomping on the benches during the Lion King, until the CMs threatened to stop the show, and clear the theatre. On a ASM bus, the cheerleaders were monopolizing the seats on a bus, while elderly people were standing. They then broke into routine, screaming their team name, until being told the bus would stop if they didn't.
In another line, a group of sparsely dressed cheerers, decided to give an impromptu sex-ed lesson....describing a friend's relationship. The lack of clothing (bikini top and micro-mini shorts) one was wearing was already an anatomy lesson for our 8 year old son. The cheer moms are the worst.
The only issue we had with football players, was a coach who started a "WHose house is this? "chant in the Haunted Mansion. There is a reason why CMs book this week off. Too bad it is a money maker for WDW.

 

[Puncek]

I had some kids ask me if the food was free in the food court (this was last year).

I think a lot of people may think this - about two years ago we saw some Cheerleaders (at AS music) take the refillable mugs and some snacks from around the cashier and just walk out. We have also seen a lot of people fed up waiting in the line with their desserts (usually ice cream) just walk out. There are so many people waiting in line, the cashiers just 'overlook it.' People have spoken up, and they were just ignored.

 

[Puncek]

I say good for the driver that he said something. If I were on the bus and there was lound cheering going on and the bus driver said nothing, I might have said could they please stop and consider that the others on the bus might not want to hear them.

Beware!! We have tried this, very politely on the way home from DTD or a park, going to AS Music and we are then verbally accosted by the parents/chaperones. The funny thing is - they think we are being rude by politely asking them to be respectful. It has only made them louder! Good for the bus driver, if only more CMs stood up for us 'little guys.'

Quoting:
Like a previous poster said in 13 years of Catholic school (that's counting kindergarten) I learned that if one person in my group acted up, we would all be punished. I also learned if I came home and said "Sister XX hollared at me today" first thing my mother would say was "what did you do?"

YES YES YES!!! I also had the 13 years of Catholic school, plus four years of a Catholic college and three years of a Catholic Graduate school education - you are so right!

(I will get this multiple-quoting thing down!)