Please, dont allow your young children to push strollers

[Disneyadore]

Please stop. It's not funny. I use an ecv full time because of leg issues. I see how they are used at the theme parks. Collisions mostly happen when walking people try to get in front of the ecv because they think the ecv will slow down their pace. Some of those people miscalculate and get their heel nipped. Not the ecv user's fault, and there's no time to stop when a person is just inches in front of you.

Agreed, a tiny minority of people don't belong on them. The great majority, who can handle them, do so safely all day long, with no collisions with others. The ecvs go very slow, and it's almost unheard of that they would break a bone. Of all the many thousands of wheelchairs and ecvs at the parks on any one day, year after year, I've only read one story about a broken bone. So, please, live and let live.

No the ECV don't go slow. In fact they are killing machines. I was almost killed by an EVC user leaving MK.
He drove full speed right to me and my husband just could pull me aside. The EVC driver hit the wall full speed. He was cursing me because I was " in his driving zone".
So please stop making excuses for EVC drivers.
Live and let live is something EVC drivers don't even think about. Its all about ME, ME, ME.
And leg issues?
Sure I got them to because I suffer of cancer but that does not mean because I'm slow an EVC has the right to run over me.
I have NO respect for EVC users.

 

[StarTunnel]

@maxiesmom ~ I suppose you're right, I should give them the benefit of the doubt, but their was something in the tone of her voice that spoke as if she believed I (a child) were a nusence, and I should get out of the way so SHE could get through. Something about people who believe they have something coming to them makes me angry, but who knows, she may have had a good reason, as I hope most people do in life.

 

[Sunnywho]

If that is the case, then it's really not safe for them to be operating a vehicle like an ECV at that time. What if they hit someone and caused a major injury or death? (yes, death - you could crush a small child, or one could be knocked over and hit his head on a curb) If someone doesn't have safe enough vision, one should not be operating a motorized vehicle of any kind.

Well, I am not talking about complete blurriness of vision to the extent of near blindness. It's a continuum. There's also smooth-tracking issues, which result when the brainstem is affected.... In MS, a lot of functions are at 80%.

MS can be variable. The abilities you have when you leave the house are not the abilities you have halfway through the day. It's a pretty lousy disease.

Most peole on ECVs do not have MS but I guess you might want to watch out for the ones that do....

 

[Wadecool]

No the ECV don't go slow. In fact they are killing machines. I was almost killed by an EVC user leaving MK.
He drove full speed right to me and my husband just could pull me aside. The EVC driver hit the wall full speed. He was cursing me because I was " in his driving zone".
So please stop making excuses for EVC drivers.
Live and let live is something EVC drivers don't even think about. Its all about ME, ME, ME.
And leg issues?
Sure I got them to because I suffer of cancer but that does not mean because I'm slow an EVC has the right to run over me.

While I agree that ECV's can be a nuisance in the hands of the wrong person, I think it's a stretch to call them "killing machines".

This thread is really heating up. Good thing I brought my

 

[Disneyadore]

While I agree that ECV's can be a nuisance in the hands of the wrong person, I think it's a stretch to call them "killing machines".

This thread is really heating up. Good thing I brought my

Well if my husband hadn't pull me aside I would have been shipped back to Europe in a coffin.

So no heating up but just telling the truth.
O and would you tell me please why I should give up me place after waiting an hour for the parade at MK for an ECV that just keeps hitting my behind because he/ she thinks they "deserves" a place upfront?
Again its all about ME, ME, ME. I'm in a EVC and you're just a second hand paying costumer.

 

[ireland_nicole]

Well if my husband hadn't pull me aside I would have been shipped back to Europe in a coffin.

So no heating up but just telling the truth.
O and please would you tell me please why I should give up me place after waiting an hour for the parade at MK for an ECV that just keeps hitting my behind because he/ she thinks they "deserves" a place upfront?
Again its all about ME, ME, ME. I'm in a EVC and you're just a second hand paying costumer.

You felt endangered, however you cannot possibly "know" that you would have been killed. If you can provide documentation as to other similar accidents at equivalent speeds that resulted in a fatality, then I might be more inclined toward belief of your supposition.

Moreover, you state that you have no respect for ECV users, and based on your posts, that is plain. In this case, you have chosen to base this lack of respect on one or two ECV users who were inexcusably rude and irresponsible. You have heard multiple responsible ECV users voice their experience, yet you choose to comepletely disregard them in your quest for revenge against the rogue "riders".

Apparently the entitlement attitude you speak of is the default for many, included, some might say, yourself- you feel that you deserve full access, but should not have to share it with those who have the gall to need any kind of mobility assistance. For your sake, I hope you never need to join them.

 

[POOHsie]

Well if my husband hadn't pull me aside I would have been shipped back to Europe in a coffin.

So no heating up but just telling the truth.
O and please would you tell me please why I should give up me place after waiting an hour for the parade at MK for an ECV that just keeps hitting my behind because he/ she thinks they "deserves" a place upfront?
Again its all about ME, ME, ME. I'm in a EVC and you're just a second hand paying costumer.

Handicapped have their own parade viewing areas. That puts your statement in the fantasy category. Ecvs don't cause death to those around them. There's no statistical truth to that statement. It's just another of your fantasies. People are people. They don't change into selfish monsters because their mobility is impaired.

 

[Disneyadore]

You felt endangered, however you cannot possibly "know" that you would have been killed. If you can provide documentation as to other similar accidents at equivalent speeds that resulted in a fatality, then I might be more inclined toward belief of your supposition.

Moreover, you state that you have no respect for ECV users, and based on your posts, that is plain. In this case, you have chosen to base this lack of respect on one or two ECV users who were inexcusably rude and irresponsible. You have heard multiple responsible ECV users voice their experience, yet you choose to comepletely disregard them in your quest for revenge against the rogue "riders".

Apparently the entitlement attitude you speak of is the default for many, included, some might say, yourself- you feel that you deserve full access, but should not have to share it with those who have the gall to need any kind of mobility assistance. For your sake, I hope you never need to join them.

Well maybe you should look at the other Disney parks that use a prove of needing an ECV.
The percentage of EVC users is only 1 yes ONE % instead of the numerous percentages in the US. Being lazy and being obesed is not accept as being entitled to get a GAC.

 

[ireland_nicole]

Well maybe you should look at the other Disney parks that use a prove of needing an ECV.
The percentage of EVC users is only 1 yes ONE % instead of the numerous percentages in the US. Being lazy and being obesed is not accept as being entitled to get a GAC.

Oh, I see- so it isn't just ECV users per se... it's the fat, lazy americans overusing them. So sorry not to fully appreciate your stance earlier. Although, it sounds like you'd be much happier at DLP- much easier in terms of travel, not so many "rude" americans...

ETA:To the OP, I agree that allowing a child to push a stroller in a crowded environment is never a good idea.

 

[POOHsie]

You felt endangered, however you cannot possibly "know" that you would have been killed. If you can provide documentation as to other similar accidents at equivalent speeds that resulted in a fatality, then I might be more inclined toward belief of your supposition.

Moreover, you state that you have no respect for ECV users, and based on your posts, that is plain. In this case, you have chosen to base this lack of respect on one or two ECV users who were inexcusably rude and irresponsible. You have heard multiple responsible ECV users voice their experience, yet you choose to comepletely disregard them in your quest for revenge against the rogue "riders".

Apparently the entitlement attitude you speak of is the default for many, included, some might say, yourself- you feel that you deserve full access, but should not have to share it with those who have the gall to need any kind of mobility assistance. For your sake, I hope you never need to join them.

Thank you so much. As an ecv user, I may goof up. Same as a walking person may goof up in a crowd. Can't we admit here that walking people collide with one another, too? It's really so simple. An accidental encounter, hopefully a lesson learned by both parties. But surely there is enough room at WDW and the rest of this big world for the walkers and the impaired. WDW is one of few places a physically impaired person can go and get any sort of full enjoyment. Many families take their elder and/or impaired loved ones for that very reason -- because WDW is so accessible. That's a very loving thing to do. Who really wants to hear nasty, untrue things about someone just because they have difficulty walking?

 

[Disneyadore]

Oh, I see- so it isn't just ECV users per se... it's the fat, lazy americans overusing them. So sorry not to fully appreciate your stance earlier. Although, it sounds like you'd be much happier at DLP- much easier in terms of travel, not so many "rude" americans...

ETA:To the OP, I agree that allowing a child to push a stroller in a crowded environment is never a good idea.

A friend a me is a CM at DLPR and yes you should hear her comments about this

 

[POOHsie]

Well maybe you should look at the other Disney parks that use a prove of needing an ECV.
The percentage of EVC users is only 1 yes ONE % instead of the numerous percentages in the US. Being lazy and being obesed is not accept as being entitled to get a GAC.

WDW does not give out GAC cards for mobility impairment. WDW advises those people to get a wheelchair or ECV.

 

[Wadecool]

Well maybe you should look at the other Disney parks that use a prove of needing an ECV.
The percentage of EVC users is only 1 yes ONE % instead of the numerous percentages in the US. Being lazy and being obesed is not accept as being entitled to get a GAC.

As a relatively healthy 40 year old, I am blessed not to need an ECV or GAC at this point in my life, and even I am somewhat offended by the statement in bold. I would imagine that those who actually need ECV's or GAC's are exponentially more offended.

 

[cinabug]

as a wheelchair user, I can assure you the reason most people get rammed by us is NOT because WE aren't paying attention but because THEY stop suddenly or worse.. cross directly in our path.

more people tripped over the foot rests during our recent trip to DL because they suddenly pivoted or didn't watch where the bloody h e double hockey sticks they were going. and if ONE MORE person comes to a dead stop with no notice in front of us my husband does NOT have the time or space to swivel outta the way or stop before my foot rests ram you. no sympathy there. if you need to consult the map.. MOVE OUTTA THE LANE OF TRAFFIC

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I just got back from out trip last night / this morning, and while I did see one really obnoxious ECV user and a few obnoxious stroller pushers, most I didn't even notice. I noticed a similar percentage of walkers who had rude and obnoxious behavior. Most of us are just doing our best to get around in a large crowded park.

I would take issue, however, with having no sympathy for those you injure just because you think the accident was their fault. It seems that people stopping to consult maps would be common practice in the parks, so just like a good auto driver maintains a safe following distance, so should a good ECV driver. In a car, it's your fault if hit someone from behind (not if they swerve in front of you). The same should be true of a motorized vehicle. It's unreasonable to expect that every walker will be monitoring 360 degrees to avoid blocking an ECV.

By the way, why do the ECVs go faster than a walking pace. I completely understand the need for mobility assistance, but why would they need to go faster than a walking person? I'm honestly asking here.

 

[Disneyadore]

WDW does not give out GAC cards for mobility impairment. WDW advises those people to get a wheelchair or ECV.

Well as WDW does not ask questions about giving a GAC a might get one for me.
It would be great to get on the Big Movie Ride twice with a GAC.
The suckers like me wait hours for access while those whit a GAC get access twice on the same time.
How I know? A person whit a fake parrot on his shoulder ,using a GAC got access twice while we the dumb payers hat to wait.
As there are no questions asked I will be getting a GAC next time.

 

[deegack]

DH was run over by a ecv while standing in line. The operator admitted to not knowing how to use it and said he didn't realize there were multiple speeds. DH was actually nursing a back injury and using a cane that day and we ended up having to go back to the room and losing the day. Thank goodness it was DH who was hit and not DD who was only 15 months at the time. He was hit so hard his 6'7" 200 pound frame was on the ground.

I understand the need for ECVs, in fact we are considering one for MIL for our next trip, but the operator should be required to go to some kind of training before renting it so they don't injure someone.

As for the OP, yeah having a kid push anything in a crowd is just plain stupid. DD will push her stroller in our yard, in the empty park, but never in a crowded area. And usually when is pushing it, I am guiding it.

 

[deegack]

Well as WDW does not ask questions about giving a GAC a might get one for me.
It would be great to get on the Big Movie Ride twice with a GAC.
The suckers like me wait hours for access while those whit a GAC get access twice on the same time.
How I know? A person whit a fake parrot on his shoulder ,using a GAC got access twice while we the dumb payers hat to wait.
As there are no questions asked I will be getting a GAC next time.

A GAC is not a front of the line pass. When DH had his for his back injury (he needed to sit sometimes) it was much slower for us to use his gac than to wait in line. Only some many people with GACs can be on a ride at a time. We found using fastpasses a much more effective way to ride multiple times in a day.

 

[tjmj9801]

Being lazy and being obesed is not accept as being entitled to get a GAC.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm gonna have to stop you RIGHT THERE. You have NO right to say this. You have NO idea why an overweight person may need an ECV. YOU need to SHUT your mouth and STOP replying to this thread NOW. I've sat back and read the updates for long enough, thinking you'd eventually just stop. But this statement is way over the top.

My mom has health issued that have caused her to be overweight. Those same health issues have caused her lungs to function below 50%. Walking for long distances is not an option for her. You NEED to stop judging NOW.

 

[DisneyKevin]

The percentage of ECV users is only 1 yes ONE % instead of the numerous percentages in the US. Being lazy and being obesed is not accept as being entitled to get a GAC.

A friend a me is a CM at DLPR and yes you should hear her comments about this

As there are no questions asked I will be getting a GAC next time.

Your comments show a shocking lack of knowledge and compassion.

It's absolutely none of your business why someone is using a mobility device or has a GAC. None. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

Your assumption that guests are using a mobility device because they are lazy shows me that you have been fortunate in life to never have needed to use one. For this you are blessed.

It's my hope that you continue to have the good health you have had in the past. Should you find yourself in the position of needing a mobility device, you will quickly learn that NOTHING is easier. Even moving through the park is more difficult. Bathrooms can be a nightmare. Restaurants can be tight. You get the idea....

I have a suggestion for you. To lessen your anger and teach you some compassion......I'd suggest that you rent an ECV or wheelchair for one day and force yourself to stay in it. My guess is that if you have even an ounce of compassion or honesty, you are going to see things in a new light and thank the deity of your choice that you have the option of not using said mobility device.

Also...get your GAC. Karma can teach a tough lesson.

 

[4orm]

I think the main complaints in this thread is about people being oblivious to those around them while driving/walking; be it a stroller, ECV or otherwise. I do find people, especially on vacation, more self involved and less likely to notice they are inconveniencing others or encroaching others personal space. I see it daily. People get off a crowded escalator to stop one step away from the off-loading portion only rifle through their purse while countless others try to exit the area. On a busy sidewalk, people run into someone they know and hold a conversation right in the middle so people are forced to walk on the street to get around them rather than the people talking just walking over to the side as to not block foot traffic. People should be more aware and considerate of those around them. It would make the world a nicer place (and probably a lot less road-rage).