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Zogby has Ohio at 45-45 today. :eek:

Where's Zogby been? Ohio has been neck and neck since the beginning. Just because our largest, most powerful union is 'for' Hillary doesn't mean the rank and file are voting that way. I belong to that union and I can tell you that right now my compound of 350 people has about 10 who support Hillary outright. We're nicely tolerating them but the rest of us are having an Obama love fest all by ourselves!!! Who needs the candidate, lol!!! No fainting has occured, bus drivers are way too ghetto to faint. The union organizers are much different than the membership and right now, the membership is rogue much to their chagrin of not being able to deliver the vote. I'm guessing that's why they had Hillary so strong in Ohio, the union 'backing.' It's just not happening.
 
I prefer Obama, but I have not been posting on this thread. I don't know if there are as many Obama supporters saying they won't vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination as there are Hillary supporters saying they won't vote for Obama, but to be fair since I posted over there...

There is a lot at stake in this next election. There will be deaths and retirements of Supreme Court Justices in the next few years. If reproductive rights and gay/lesbian rights mean less to you than the personality of the candidate then we have serious problems.

I'll be voting for the Democratic nominee as well - I was probably one of the more vocal "Obama or the highway" posters on the liberal thread but last week, Jennifer S started a thread asking this very question - Fits was happy to see me say I'd vote for Hillary, for the reasons you mentioned above.

However, Obama would be a FAR better President.
 
Where's Zogby been? Ohio has been neck and neck since the beginning. Just because our largest, most powerful union is 'for' Hillary doesn't mean the rank and file are voting that way. I belong to that union and I can tell you that right now my compound of 350 people has about 10 who support Hillary outright. We're nicely tolerating them but the rest of us are having an Obama love fest all by ourselves!!! Who needs the candidate, lol!!! No fainting has occured, bus drivers are way too ghetto to faint. The union organizers are much different than the membership and right now, the membership is rogue much to their chagrin of not being able to deliver the vote. I'm guessing that's why they had Hillary so strong in Ohio, the union 'backing.' It's just not happening.

That's great news! I think the opposite happened (against us) in Nevada where the individual members of the Culinary Union backed Clinton in the caucus.

I'm hoping to make 100 calls today (40 OH, 40 TX, 20 RI). I couldn't get to OH yesterday since the partner asked me to come into work for a few hours to help out with something. :mad: So I'm trying to make up for it by calling.
 
Barack Obama Op-Ed in today's Providence Journal
MOST AMERICANS have simple dreams. A job that can support a family. Health care we can count on and afford. A retirement that is dignified and secure. Education and opportunity for our kids.

But today, the price of the American dream is going up.

All across the country, Americans are working harder for less. We’ve never paid more for health care or for college. It’s harder to save, and it’s harder to retire. There are things we need to do right now to give our economy a boost, but a short-term stimulus is not enough. We have to put the American dream on a firmer foundation.

That’s going to take a change in the way Washington works. It’s time to stop giving tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas, and to put a tax cut in the pocket of middle class Americans. That’s why I’ve proposed a “Making Work Pay” tax credit of up to $500 for American workers, and $1,000 for working families, as well as an additional tax credit for struggling homeowners. This will cut taxes for 150 million Americans, give our economy a boost, and put fairness back into our tax code.

We also need to protect a secure retirement by easing the burden on America’s seniors. That’s why I’ll eliminate income taxes for any senior making less than $50,000. And I’ll change our bankruptcy laws to protect workers’ pensions instead of protecting banks. Because I believe that if you work hard and pay into the system, you’ve earned the right to a secure retirement.

It’s also time to stop talking about the outrage of 47 million Americans without health care, and to start doing something about it. I expanded health care in Illinois by bringing Democrats and Republicans together. We took on the insurance industry, and provided health care to hundreds of thousands of families. And as president, I’ll cut a typical family’s premiums by up to $2,500, and make health care affordable and accessible for all Americans.

We also have to be clear that the American dream must never come at the expense of the American family. But even as politicians in Washington talk about family values, we haven’t had policies that value families. As the son of a single mother, I don’t accept an America that forces women to choose between their kids and their careers. That’s why I’ll expand the Family and Medical Leave Act to cover millions of additional Americans. We need to make sure you can take leave to care for elderly parents, and to join school activities with your kids.

We also need to expand paid leave. Today, 78 percent of workers covered by the Family and Medical Leave Act don’t take leave because it isn’t paid. And this has a far greater impact on families with less income and less savings. To make sure our system is fair, I will press states to adopt paid-leave systems, and set aside $1.5 billion to fund the start-up costs and help states offset the costs to employers. And I’ll require employers to provide all of their workers with seven paid sick days a year, because you shouldn’t be punished for being sick.

Finally, we have a responsibility to make sure that our young people can reach a little further and rise a little higher than we did. But too many Americans are weighted down by student loans. I know because Michelle and I just finished paying off our loans a few years ago. It’s time to put a college education within reach of every American. That’s why I’ll create a new and fully refundable annual tax credit worth $4,000 for tuition and fees. To receive this credit, we’ll require 100 hours of public service. Because it’s time to call upon our young people to serve our country; in return, we’ll invest in their future.

We’ve recently been reminded that when some folks hurt in our economy, all of us hurt. When things are going bad on Main Street, that catches up with Wall Street. And that’s how it should be. Because what binds us together, what makes us one American family, is that we have to stand up and fight for each other’s dreams. It’s time to reaffirm that fundamental belief — I am my brother’s keeper, I am my sister’s keeper — through our politics, our policies and in our daily lives. It’s time to reclaim the American dream.
 

I loved that op-ed by him. I think that coupled with his visit there yesterday means that the Obama campaign thinks they can pick up some extra delegates from RI than they previously thought they'd get.
 
Did anyone see 60 minutes?

Did this come off any where as bad as it does in print?

(CBS) It happened again last week, when a photo of Obama in ceremonial African tribal dress during a visit to Kenya was featured prominently on the Internet and attributed to people in the Clinton campaign.

Senator Clinton disavowed any knowledge of it.

“You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?” Kroft asked Sen. Clinton.

“Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that,” she replied.

“You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not…a Muslim. You don't believe that he's…,” Kroft said.

“No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know,” she said.

“It's just scurrilous…?” Kroft inquired.

“Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors, that I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time,” Clinton said.

Her big leads in Ohio and Texas are both gone now, but she still has a chance of ending her losing streak and winning both states.

“There are a lotta people that think even if she manages to win both states, by a small margin, and there's no difference in the delegates, it’s most likely impossible for her to catch you,” Kroft told Sen. Obama.

“That's true,” he replied.

“Is there a point where you say it's not in the interest of the party to continue this?” Kroft asked Sen. Clinton.

“No,” she replied, laughing. “No. You know, I am going to win. And I am going to go on.”


“You seem to be saying that as long as you think you have a chance to win, that you're going to stay in it, even if it goes to the convention?” Kroft asked.

“Well, I don't think that will happen. But, you know, my husband didn't wrap up the nomination until June,” she replied

"As far as I know." Are you kidding me? Only one reason to throw that in. :sad2:
 
Did anyone see 60 minutes?

Did this come off any where as bad as it does in print?



"As far as I know." Are you kidding me? Only one reason to throw that in. :sad2:

I had it on in the background (finishing up Season 1 of the Tudors on iTunes) and thought, "HUH?"

Why not just outright say, "He's not a Muslim" like the FACTS say and what he says too.
 
I thought you guys would enjoy this-it's from the tech section of the NY Times:

Is Obama a Mac and Clinton a PC?
By NOAM COHEN
STYLES make fights — or so goes the boxing cliché. In 2008, they make presidential campaigns, too.
This is especially true for the two remaining Democrats, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Reporters covering the candidates have already resorted to traditional analysis of style — fashion choices, manner of speaking, even the way they laugh. Yet, according to design experts, the candidates have left a clear blueprint of their personal style — perhaps even a window into their souls — through the Web sites they have created to raise money, recruit volunteers and generally meet-and-greet online.
On one thing, the experts seem to agree. The differences between hillaryclinton.com and barackobama.com can be summed up this way: Barack Obama is a Mac, and Hillary Clinton is a PC.
That is, Mr. Obama’s site is more harmonious, with plenty of white space and a soft blue palette. Its task bar is reminiscent of the one used at Apple’s iTunes site. It signals in myriad ways that it was designed with a younger, more tech-savvy audience in mind — using branding techniques similar to the ones that have made the iPod so popular.
“With Obama’s site, all the features and elements are seamlessly integrated, just like the experience of using a program on a Macintosh computer,” said Alice Twemlow, chairwoman of the M.F.A. program in design criticism at the School of Visual Arts (who is a Mac user).
It is designed, she said, even down to the playful logos that illustrate choices like, Volunteer or Register to Vote. She likened those touches to the elaborate, painstaking packaging Apple uses to woo its customers.
The linking of Mr. Obama with Mac and Mrs. Clinton with PCs has already become something of a theme during the primary. Early in the campaign, a popular YouTube parody of Apple’s “1984” Super Bowl ad made Mrs. Clinton the face of oppression. This week on The Huffington Post, Douglas T. Kendall, the founder of the Community Rights Counsel, a public interest law firm, made the connection more explicit.
But the designers believe the comparisons — but not perhaps the Orwellian overtones — are apt. In contrast to barackobama.com, Mrs. Clinton’s site uses a more traditional color scheme of dark blue, has sharper lines dividing content and employs cookie-cutter icons next to its buttons for volunteering, and the like.
“Hillary’s is way more hectic, it’s got all these, what look like parody ads,” said Ms. Twemlow, who is not a citizen and cannot vote in the election.
Jason Santa Maria, creative director of Happy Cog Studios, which designs Web sites, detected a basic breach of netiquette. “Hillary’s text is all caps, like shouting,” he said. There are “many messages vying for attention,” he said, adding, “Candidates are building a brand and it should be consistent.”
But Emily Chang, the cofounder of Ideacodes, a Web designing and consulting firm, detected consistent messages, and summed them up: “His site is more youthful and hers more regal.”
Mr. Obama’s site is almost universally praised. Even Martin Avila, the general manager of the company responsible for the Republican Ron Paul’s Web site, said simply, “Barack’s site is amazing.”
But the compliments are clearly double-edged.
While Apple’s ad campaign maligns the PC by using an annoying man in a plain suit as its personification, it is not clear that aligning with the trendy Mac aesthetic is good politics. The iPod may be a dominant music player, but the Mac is still a niche computer. PC, no doubt, would win the Electoral College by historic proportions (with Mac perhaps carrying Vermont).
While Mr. Santa Maria praised barackobama.com for having “this welcoming quality,” he added that it was “ethereal, vaporous and someone could construe it as nebulous.” He said there was a bit of the “Lifetime channel effect, you know, vasoline on the lens” to create a softer effect on the viewer. The “hectic” site that the Clinton campaign is offering could actually be quite strategic, exactly in step with her branding. After all, Mrs. Clinton repeatedly emphasizes how hard she will work for the average American “starting on Day 1.” If she comes across as energetic online, that may simply be her intention. If she shouts a bit more, typographically speaking, that may be the better to be heard.
Unlike the Republicans, the Democratic contenders have incorporated social-networking tools to their sites — allowing supporters to create their own groups, for example, though Mr. Obama is considered the pacesetter in that regard.
“Obama’s campaign gained attention here in the Bay area tech community early on when he launched the My.BarackObama.com portal that allowed for personal blogging from the public, messaging with other supporters, and a host of other tools,” Ms. Chang wrote in an e-mail message.
On the big Internet issues like copyright, Lawrence Lessig, a Stanford law professor who is supporting Mr. Obama, said there was “not a big difference on paper” between the two Democrats. Both tend to favor the users of the Internet over those who “own the pipes.” He is impressed by Mr. Obama’s proposal to “make all public government data available to everybody to use as they wish.”
In the long run, however, Mr. Lessig believes that it is the ability to motivate the electorate that matters, not simple matters of style. And he’s a Mac user from way back.
 
Whenever you see someone bring up Obama not being patriotic because of teh hand over heart thing, show them this photo:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/25/does-this-make-george-hw_n_88397.html


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I am so glad I don't watch the MSM much anymore - it's a Clinton lovefest. I guess she is trying to ride her kitchen sink into the White House. Her comments about McCain yesterday really made me sick - I saw a clip of Keith Olbermann's show from the Obama blog and they mentioned that is something to say when you are running to be McCain's VP. :sad2:

Here are my predictions for today:

VT - Obama wins by 25
RI - Clinton by 10
OH - Clinton by 12 (aided by the kitchen sink NAFTA story)
TX - Obama by 3 (could easily be Clinton by 3 but I think we take more delegates)

Obama picks up 10 more delegates overall.
 
jme829 here (using dds screenname)... Our hometown of Toledo, Ohio newspaper (toledo blade) is endorsing Obama (they don't usually endorse in the primaries). Toledo is a VERY democratic city! The article really slams Clinton not so much on her current policies, but more on her previous "games" and behavior. Read the editorial on its pretty interesting.

They state that we need a change and that Obama is way more qualified than Clinton on that front.

"Obama, for change





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THE Blade has a long-established principle of seldom endorsing a candidate in any primary election. It's easy to see, however, that this isn't a typical year. For the first time in history, the outcome of the Ohio primary may well determine the Democratic nominee for president of the United States.

We are not yet ready to say who we will endorse in November. But we wholeheartedly agree with something our editorial board heard on Sunday: 'We have to have a government that works for ordinary people. We've got to be able to bring the country together so we have a working majority for change. We have to break down some of the ideologically driven polarization that prevents us from taking practical steps to make the country more competitive and to get opportunity to people.'

We urge Ohio Democrats to vote on Tuesday for the man who spoke those words, U.S. Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois. It has become clear during the year-long primary campaign that he eclipses Sen. Hillary Clinton as the strong*est possible candidate to run in the general election against the presumptive Republican nominee, Sen. John McCain.

Moreover, we believe that Mr. Obama's inspiring life story, keen intellect, strong but quiet confidence, ready grasp of public policy issues, and his fresh and optimistic world view are what America needs after eight years of an administration that repeatedly has shown open contempt for the American people and for the Constitution.

Mr. Obama offers a breath of fresh air and new hope at a depressing time in the life of this nation. His selection would send an unmistakable signal to the world that America really may be living up to its promise of a just and truly pluralistic society.

The offspring of a father from Kenya and a mother from Kansas, young Obama grew up partly in Hawaii, partly in Indonesia. Were he to become president, we have no doubt that he would be seen — more than any previous occupant of the White House — as someone who is comfortably at home in the wider world. Yet his is the quintessential American story, that of the self-made man.

Those who object that he is too young overlook that he would, at 47, be a year older than Bill Clinton was when he was elected, and four years older than John F. Kennedy. Those who say that he is inexperienced in international affairs overlook that he sits on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The last two Democratic presidents, Mr. Clinton and Jimmy Carter, didn't have a day's service in Congress, much less foreign policy, before they took office, and it certainly hurt them.Additionally, Mr. Obama, a younger and more physically vigorous man, will be in a far better position to push Americans into solving one of the biggest problems we face: that of an unhealthy, morbidly obese generation of young people, a health crisis that is costing the nation billions. We applaud the fact that, urged by his talented wife, Michelle, he has quit smoking. That alone should be an inspiration to millions.

There are those who resent Mr. Obama's relatively rapid rise on the national scene and link his growing support to ingrained bias against putting a woman in the Oval Office. Certainly there may be some misguided prejudice against women. But that isn't what is going on this year. We agree the nation is more than ready for a female president. But Hillary Clinton is handicapped by her own baggage, and it has to do with her character, not her gender.
Voters during this primary process have come to know the real Hillary Clinton, and many have not liked what they've seen. Try as she might to project a warm personal image, she has come across mostly as a coldly calculating individual.

Moreover, her candidacy reminds voters of how the Clintons in effect looted the White House of expensive china, furniture, and other items when they left in January, 2001. And, if that weren't enough, they set up a gift registry to furnish their new home in New York. In contrast to such political royalism, Mr. Obama, his wife, and their two daughters live much closer to the reality of ordinary people.

America is badly in need of something new. We need this election to mark, at last, the end of the Vietnam period. Hillary Clinton is a product of that era and is, in a sense, still fighting its battles.

Barack Obama would be, figuratively if not literally, the first president of the 21st Century, much as John F. Kennedy was the first president born in the 20th century — each necessary to his time, and each able to see the world with a fresh, clear view.

Again, this endorsement does not mark our final verdict for November. John McCain, the all-but-certain GOP nominee, is a far more admirable figure than George W. Bush, although his policies on the war and the economy merely mimic those of the incumbent.

We will be scrutinizing the candidates very carefully as the general election campaign progresses. But at this point we feel free to break with tradition and enthusiastically recommend that on Tuesday, Ohio Democrats cast their primary ballots for Barack Obama."
Taken from ToledoBLade.com March 4, 2008
 
Great article and endorsement. I hope it connects with the Ohio voters. :thumbsup2
 
When do you think we'll start seeing results come in tonight?
 
Vermont 7 pm EST
Ohio 7:30 EST
Rhode Island 9 pm EST
Texas 12 am EST
 
I am so glad I don't watch the MSM much anymore - it's a Clinton lovefest. I guess she is trying to ride her kitchen sink into the White House. Her comments about McCain yesterday really made me sick - I saw a clip of Keith Olbermann's show from the Obama blog and they mentioned that is something to say when you are running to be McCain's VP. :sad2:

Here are my predictions for today:

VT - Obama wins by 25
RI - Clinton by 10
OH - Clinton by 12 (aided by the kitchen sink NAFTA story)
TX - Obama by 3 (could easily be Clinton by 3 but I think we take more delegates)

Obama picks up 10 more delegates overall.

I predict that it's closer in RI than expected
 
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