New Security Measures At The Parks

[mackay_j]

Since apparently anything goes in this thread, I'm just gonna add this: What in the holy hell is going on? You wanna debate gun control, do it on Facebook or some other social media site.

You want to provide some valuable information about theme park planning and strategy that is relevant to this board and related to the new security measures, then by all means, please do so.

You are correct and I apologize for getting sucked into this here- I was just getting so horrified by the number of posts supporting the idea of smuggling in guns and that was freaking me and my family out, ahead of our visit,- again I will no longer be drawn into this gun debate on here- not the correct place I agree - sorry again.

 

[Billinaz]

I am not arguing this with you any longer - I have already listed the official stats for where I am from previously in this thread also the governments crime figures, and have also addressed the knife gang issue (which rarely ever crosses into the general population)- yes of course there will always be illegal guns resulting in a small % of crime and needless death and injury. But if you are happy in a place where kids can shoot the their friends and family with their parents legal guns then so be it. By the way that rag you quoted has no facts in it ( check what is in there with the official stats I have quoted and against the gov figures I gave a link to the gov web site earlier) the and its sole purpose is to try and make the gullible feel their gun culture is justified - feel free to fall into line and continue to line the pockets of the gun manufactures.

Im not arguing. I, and others have pointed out that your statistics are fallacy with no fact.

 

[Billinaz]

Yeah, actually they very well can do their very best to prevent firearms from being on their property.

I'm all for the 2nd amendment... and I'm also all for property rights, I don't pick and choose what rights I like and which I don't and ignore them. A property owner has the right to dictate what is allowed and not allowed on their property. I wouldn't say there is "now way" they could prevent firearms from being on their property.

One WTMD and random selectees aren't their best to prevent, it is mere window dressing.


Yes, they can prohibit guns, alcohol, swords, etc from their property. Now enforcing that is another matter. Scanning every guest and employee in WDW is not likely ever going to happen.

 

[Billinaz]

No words to describe what I think of anyone doing this - I hope they scan everyone and that someone makes it an actual criminal offence to bring a gun onto Disney property and they charged. Jail is where they should be for putting peoples life in danger.

As is well known, the US justice system is not prosecuting and jailing federal weapons offenses very often.

 

[Angel Ariel]

So I guess if disney receives notice of a credible or possible threat, they should say, eh, whatever, let's not do anything, it's more important that our adult guests can dress up for Halloween.

Who is suggesting that Disney do nothing at all? What exactly does 4 metal detectors, that only a small sampling of the tens of thousands of people who are going through the MK gates this week are going to go through, do? It won't serve as a deterrent to anyone truly intent on doign something. And it's not like Disney had no security in place prior to this...and I'm not just referring to the bag checks, either.

I trust the *unseen* security at MK (and the other parks) to be far more effective than such a paltry # of metal detectors (compared to the #s of people entering the park on a daily basis this week).

 

[Angel Ariel]

Has anyone in this conversation actually contacted Disney to ask about the policy for Halloween parties? Or would that be too sensible and would kill the thread.

I have. For the first time ever, I have received absolutely no response from Disney. Not even the form "thank you, we got your e-mail and will contact you in a few days" response.

 

[larryz]

The active shooter is only there cause he has a gun - less guns less problems simple!!

Paris was supposedly a gun-free zone, too.

 

[SensesFailed]

One WTMD and random selectees aren't their best to prevent, it is mere window dressing.


Yes, they can prohibit guns, alcohol, swords, etc from their property. Now enforcing that is another matter. Scanning every guest and employee in WDW is not likely ever going to happen.

You said there was and I quote "No way" they would do it which is, to put it bluntly, shenanigans. There is very much a few ways they could go about it. Whether or not they will go to the extremes to keep morons away from thinking they are somehow above infringing on the rights of a property owner is debatable, but there is certainly a way they could do it, at the least it would minimize it.

 

[flvy]

Well this thread is insanely entertaining. From being sad about not wearing costumes to debates and name calling over gun laws. And an amazing lack of attention paid to all the posters that stated they, or someone with them was selected for security screening and it didn't effect them much at all.

 

[akadada]

When I read this thread I think of this:

 

[eeyoreandtink]

The active shooter is only there cause he has a gun - less guns less problems simple!!

If you really believe this... Well I'm just not sure what to tell you other than the fact that it is pure fantasy. Disarming law abiding citizens doesn't make anyone safer.

 

[disneyfan55]

I know this and actually learned it as well. Some of the anti g people seem they wouldn't want anyone else in the room with an active shooter to be armed! There even was a clip on the news of that ex Sanfrancisco mayor saying it to bill marher (sp) and bill saying he would have much rather if a. Good guy had a gun in the Paris nightmare. Somehow was afraid of crossfire!! Well rather that than no one able to protect them sel

 

[Planogirl]

We have open carry allowed here now and I only hope that anyone that tries to take down a shooter knows how to shoot straight. Personally I'll just duck and hope for the best.

As for Disney's (and Uni's) screening, we went bagless and only DS was randomly selected to be wanded once. They put up the metal detectors on our last day and we were waved past them.

 

[mackay_j]

If you really believe this... Well I'm just not sure what to tell you other than the fact that it is pure fantasy. Disarming law abiding citizens doesn't make anyone safer.

Last comment I make -

It would have made a close family friend safer- He was accidentally shot dead in a multi story car park on the way to his work as a lawyer by a man defending himself against a robber - The robber got away - with the mans wallet he was arrested later the wallet had $30 dollars in it - Not a fair swap for my friend. And the shooter - all he lost was his licence not his life - If he had not had a gun my friend would be alive and and would have got to see his son being born, 6 weeks later. Thus there is no way I will ever think otherwise. And with that this thread is making me too sad and bringing up to many bad memories to continue to take part in and as was pointed out not really disney related any longer.

 

[kamik86]

No words to describe what I think of anyone doing this - I hope they scan everyone and that someone makes it an actual criminal offence to bring a gun onto Disney property and they charged. Jail is where they should be for putting peoples life in danger.

See this is the one that I don't think can be done. Yes a property owner has the right to determine what is allowed on their property (which is why restaurants can have dress codes for example) however if something is legal on the street outside I don't think it can be a criminal offense to try to bring it into the property.

Maybe if you can prove that the person knew they shouldn't have the item and specifically tried to hide it from security. But if they claim they just had it concealed due to being a conceal carry permit and weren't flagged... how can that really be criminal? It would have to be a civil case at best.

 

[lugnut33]

Well, if you're not comfy here in Americer with our "gun culture," then perhaps you'd be more comfortable in Disneyland Paris... and their no-gun culture.

Yes, a culture of peace sounds horrible.

 

[larryz]

Last comment I make -

It would have made a close family friend safer- He was accidentally shot dead in a multi story car park on the way to his work as a lawyer by a man defending himself against a robber - The robber got away - with the mans wallet he was arrested later the wallet had $30 dollars in it - Not a fair swap for my friend. And the shooter - all he lost was his licence not his life - If he had not had a gun my friend would be alive and and would have got to see his son being born, 6 weeks later. Thus there is no way I will ever think otherwise. And with that this thread is making me too sad and bringing up to many bad memories to continue to take part in and as was pointed out not really disney related any longer.

I'm sorry your friend was killed. But nobody should be put in the position where they can't defend themselves against a threat to their life. Armed robbery is one of those things you should be able to defend yourself against. Personally, I feel the robber bears the brunt of responsibility for your friend's death, but I digress.

At WDW, I take it for granted that the vast majority of people around me do not intend to rob me, steal from me or threaten my life with violence -- that's why I accept the risk that comes with being unarmed.

In fact, throughout America, most of us have the same expectations and manage that lessened risk the same way. We think we know where we're safe, and most people are, in fact, unarmed.

With the changing security climate, and potentially increased threat to public safety that comes with a more ... let's say "ideologically polarized society" ... I'd expect more and more people to want to manage risk by carrying concealed weapons where they legally can. That's borne out by the increasing number of sheriffs exhorting their licensed concealed carriers to be armed while out in public.

Florida law says that if someone doesn't want you on their property, they can "trespass" you and force you to leave. If someone has a gun in a park and WDW discovers it, they'll be asked to store it outside the park or leave the WDW property. I'm OK with that -- WDW is private property.

 

[lugnut33]

Paris was supposedly a gun-free zone, too.

See, it just proves people with guns are dangerous.

 

[Billinaz]

Last comment I make -

It would have made a close family friend safer- He was accidentally shot dead in a multi story car park on the way to his work as a lawyer by a man defending himself against a robber - The robber got away - with the mans wallet he was arrested later the wallet had $30 dollars in it - Not a fair swap for my friend. And the shooter - all he lost was his licence not his life - If he had not had a gun my friend would be alive and and would have got to see his son being born, 6 weeks later. Thus there is no way I will ever think otherwise. And with that this thread is making me too sad and bringing up to many bad memories to continue to take part in and as was pointed out not really disney related any longer.

Well, that's a terrible unfortunate thing that happened. But lets start at the beginning... if the thrif did not force the man to defend himself, then this never would have happened.

I'm sure you know people severely injured or killed in auto accidents, but I bet you still get into a car every day. What have you done to make you and your family safer from senseless automobile deaths?

You are correct and I apologize for getting sucked into this here- I was just getting so horrified by the number of posts supporting the idea of smuggling in guns and that was freaking me and my family out, ahead of our visit,- again I will no longer be drawn into this gun debate on here- not the correct place I agree - sorry again.

Well, you did just that with this post. If honest open adult discussion horrifies you and freaks you out, maybe getting on the horrible roadways and scary airplane trips might be as stressful if not more.

 

[Billinaz]

See this is the one that I don't think can be done. Yes a property owner has the right to determine what is allowed on their property (which is why restaurants can have dress codes for example) however if something is legal on the street outside I don't think it can be a criminal offense to try to bring it into the property.

Maybe if you can prove that the person knew they shouldn't have the item and specifically tried to hide it from security. But if they claim they just had it concealed due to being a conceal carry permit and weren't flagged... how can that really be criminal? It would have to be a civil case at best.

It cannot. However when discovered with the item they don't want on the property they can make you leave and not let you return under penalty of trespass.