New Security Measures At The Parks

[Billinaz]

Many guests have already reported the new measures did not affect or inconvenience them at all. Let's just accept that given current events, Disney made a common sense and informed decision to keep their guests and parks safer and implemented a few new safety measures, and move on.

That would be very good if it were true. Commonsense means nothing other than a political buzzword to gain sympathy. The WTMD are merely window dressing. If anyone wants to declare it safer, the need os to scan every guest and employee.

 

[Billinaz]

Not sure if anyone read this on the news: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-to-disneyland-out-of-the-country/?tid=sm_fb

This made me so sad. What have we become? Those poor kids. Just like all other kids going to Disney they want to see Princesses or Mickey, etc.

There has to be more to this story. The parents must have done something that flagged them. Entry into the US is not denied arbitrarily.

Looks like there is more:

Intelligence was received about a Facebook page connected to the family address, containing extremist material sympathizing with Al Qaeda.

Tariq’s brother was also detained in Tel Aviv for 8 days before being ejected from the country (again ‘inexplicably’ - according to his wife).

 

[akadada]

Since apparently anything goes in this thread, I'm just gonna add this: What in the holy hell is going on? You wanna debate gun control, do it on Facebook or some other social media site.

You want to provide some valuable information about theme park planning and strategy that is relevant to this board and related to the new security measures, then by all means, please do so.

AMEN.

 

[keishashadow]

Things are not slowed down because the screening is sporadic.

There is no logistical way of checking the hordes of people who flood the gates at opening without a delay that runs into many many hours.

haven't read thru the whole thread, will the upcoming marathon runners be subject to non-costume rule?

why am I thinking WDW will offer a fee based, trusted guest vetting service ala the TSA?

 

[Daisytiff]

That would be very good if it were true. Commonsense means nothing other than a political buzzword to gain sympathy. The WTMD are merely window dressing. If anyone wants to declare it safer, the need os to scan every guest and employee.

I agree that more should be done and everyone should be scanned, but there are many on this thread that think disney is overreacting and nothing should be done, and that is absurd.

 

[FeralCatRogue]

haven't read thru the whole thread, will the upcoming marathon runners be subject to non-costume rule?

why am I thinking WDW will offer a fee based, trusted guest vetting service ala the TSA?

I beleive in the other thread they stated that they already changed mind on rundisney and they can wear costumes but no masks. I think it was in the costumes no more for adults thread. That or i'm remembering something from teh Dapper Days thread.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

I agree that more should be done and everyone should be scanned, but there are many on this thread that think disney is overreacting and nothing should be done, and that is absurd.

Actually I'd say it's the opposite. Most feel their being told they can't exercise their Legal Rights to protect themselves or their family. All while so-called security measures that are put in place will do nothing to protect them.

 

[Planogirl]

Quite true. I made my one comment, which I think was even keeled, but I have held off on saying more at the risk of going off-topic.


So, outside of the safer/unsafer debate, can anyone else who is there tell us as time has progressed how the screenings are impacting, or not impacting entrance into any of the Orlando area parks. Also, can anyone, perhaps someone with a background in this area, tell if these security enhancements appear to be just temporary, or so they look like a more permanent installation is underway?

We were at Universal when they added the enhanced security and we were only delayed a few minutes when DS was randomly pulled out to be wanded.

 

[Planogirl]

Actually I'd say it's the opposite. Most feel their being told they can't exercise their Legal Rights to protect themselves or their family. All while so-called security measures that are put in place will do nothing to protect them.

Disney has the right to set their own rules. A legal right often stops at the door of a private business.

 

[Daisytiff]

Actually I'd say it's the opposite. Most feel their being told they can't exercise their Legal Rights to protect themselves or their family. All while so-called security measures that are put in place will do nothing to protect them.

I wasn't referencing the gun control debate or those that want to carry to protect themselves or their family. There's a different time and place for that. I was referencing the many who felt Disney overreacted and didn't want any extra security measures in place. I don't agree with that and never will. Disney had to do something on their end. Yes they could do more, but they had to do SOMETHING, in my opinion. And this is at least a start.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

I wasn't referencing the gun control debate or those that want to carry to protect themselves or their family. There's a different time and place for that. I was referencing the many who felt Disney overreacted and didn't want any extra security measures in place. I don't agree with that and never will. Disney had to do something on their end. Yes they could do more, but they had to do SOMETHING, in my opinion. And this is at least a start.

The thing is doing Something just for the sake of doing something isn't necessarily always a good thing. In just this instance Disney banned toy guns, adults from wearing costumes, and sporadic metal detection. Really what does any of this fix.

 

[herewegoga]

It's more than that. There were many police officers, some with dogs patrolling. Lots of unobtrusive security in the parks. More than I've ever noticed before. Another thing I noticed was helicopters, lots of them flying lower roughest the day over the parks and the hotels. There was a definite visible increase over the last few days moreso than when we got here last Sat. Having said that, it hasn't taken us any longer to get into the parks. I will also say that the heightened security has made me more aware than usual of who and what is going on around me. Usually when I'm in vacation mode in the parks I'm pretty oblivious.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

Disney has the right to set their own rules. A legal right often stops at the door of a private business.

Your right, Disney does have a right to set their own rules.

That's why i said

Actually I'd say it's the opposite. Most feel their being told they can't exercise their Legal Rights to protect themselves or their family. All while so-called security measures that are put in place will do nothing to protect them.

Because law abiding citizens will honor their rules. However a person with the intention to assault, maim, and murder will ignore their rules. Or simply attack the front gate as that's usually the largest cluster of people. All while I left my CCW back in the car or room, per their rules, leaving myself and my family defenseless.

 

[HopperFan]

Not sure if anyone read this on the news: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-to-disneyland-out-of-the-country/?tid=sm_fb

This made me so sad. What have we become? Those poor kids. Just like all other kids going to Disney they want to see Princesses or Mickey, etc.

I bet theirs more to the story, a similar name, a Facebook posting, something. That won't make the front page news.

Besides a country, any country can flag and deny someone from entry, it's their perogative.

That their were children honestly is irrelevant. Again a country doesn't have to give a reason.
But I'll wait for more info.

When a family puts out that much money for a trip, they deserve an answer as to why they were denied entry.

Don't feel that sad...

CBS News reports two of the brothers in the Muslim family group, stopped from boarding a flight to the US, 'hit positive for terror checks'

CBS is reporting that the Department of Homeland Security identified two from the group had "triggered a terror check:"

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/u-s-blocks-muslim-family-from-flying-to-disney/

There has to be more to this story. The parents must have done something that flagged them. Entry into the US is not denied arbitrarily.

Looks like there is more:

Intelligence was received about a Facebook page connected to the family address, containing extremist material sympathizing with Al Qaeda.

Tariq’s brother was also detained in Tel Aviv for 8 days before being ejected from the country (again ‘inexplicably’ - according to his wife).

Security is going to be the name of the game for everyone, adults and children.

Airports to Disney - every single entity is going to lean to better safe than sorry.

Just like we have all kinds of reports of what no costume at Disney means, if you google you will find all kinds of reports of what happened in this situation.

- Reports varied from number of parents/children being 10, 11 and 12 in total.
- Reports that there were was 2 men and 9 children.
- Report that there were 2 men, 1 woman and 7 children.
- Report that the 2 men, 1 woman and 9 children.
- Reports are that 2 of the children had no parent traveling with them at all.
- Report is one of the men in an interview claims the woman (SIL) was at the gate ready to fly.
- Report in interview the woman claims she was ill and decided to not travel.
- These are direct contradictions.
- Reports were the other wife/mother stayed home with a child with no passport.
- Reports now say this woman was in Pakistan.
- These are completely different answers.
- Reports that one of the men had issues in another country and was flagged.
- Reports that the one teen had suspicious online activity via facebook.
- Reports are that not all were barred from flying, only a couple names flagged.
- Reports are trip was planned 5 mos but visas applied for at 6 weeks.
- Report states the trip was actually to So Cal for a 15 year Family Reunion.
- Reports are they hoped to visit Disneyland and Universal. Folks sure like to play the Disney pity card.

My point is that we have no idea what really happened or why. We know our government felt they had concerns and cause to block a few flyers for whatever red flags they triggered. The points above show we have no idea what the real story is, and there are enough contradictions from supposed quotes from the folks involved to question. All we have is their side of the story and not even that is consistent.

There will always be mistakes but I'd still rather more safety than sorry.

 

[MolonLabe]

Security is going to be the name of the game for everyone, adults and children.

Airports to Disney - every single entity is going to lean to better safe than sorry.

There will always be mistakes but I'd still rather more safety than sorry.

That's where, as many have pointed out, it's all in your (collectively) head(s).

The unobtrusive measures are far more effective than metal detectors. It isn't making anyone safer, sure it may make the uninformed *feel* better, but it doesn't actually do anything to stop those intent on attacking. Which is, allegedly, why the detectors went in.

The areas to attack, such as bag check near rope drop, the lines to the monorail, on the ferry ect ect can't have anything done about them. The number of employees and vendors coming and going... the number of areas someone could easily chuck a duffle bag filled with weapons/explosives over the fence and a group of bad guys could scoop them up after entering the park... or just hop the fence and then start shooting in the back of fantasy land for just one example. The fences only make it so honest people don't skip the turnstyles and anyone planning on mass murdering isn't going to care about getting a trespassing warning.

Carbon fiber knifes (cheap readily available) won't be picked up by metal detectors, have a couple guys go into DHS and ride in 3 different cars at the same tie in Star Tours, everyone belted in and one guy going down the rows from behind stabbing everyone in the neck.... Same time one guy goes into the HM preshow.... Getting fixated on firearms is only one aspect of this.

Honestly, this "safe" and "safety" stuff is pure nonsense. Securing an aircraft is something that is something that can be done fairly well. There are ways to defeat the security but it's much more difficult. Themeparks? Get real. Think about, the TSA fails at detecting weapons 96% of the time. As we've said, it's all in your collective heads. Safety and security are an illusion. Nothing more.

*****BTW I got sent through the metal detector today. 30 seconds of park time wasted.... for something that made no one any safer. The Wizard of Oz would be envious. Smoke and mirrors.

 

[SensesFailed]

Things are not slowed down because the screening is sporadic.

There is no logistical way of checking the hordes of people who flood the gates at opening without a delay that runs into many many hours.

Yeah, I got it already, it's been mentioned several times and I can actually read statements made by people.

 

[SensesFailed]

You know what, at this point, I would love nothing more than for Disney to send every single person through the metal detectors just so I can see the tumblr level whine from people on this board. This is some of the biggest fake outrage right now over something so trivial.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

You know what, at this point, I would love nothing more than for Disney to send every single person through the metal detectors just so I can see the tumblr level whine from people on this board. This is some of the biggest fake outrage right now over something so trivial.

Honestly it might be funny to watch. When it starts to take 3, 4, 5 hrs to get through the front gate the fake outrage will be real. Theirs no way they can scan that many people quickly without having hundreds of scanners.

I'd like to see people get their head out of the clouds and start to realize these so called security measures do absolutely nothing but hinder the rest of us.

 

[Jennasis]

Your right, Disney does have a right to set their own rules.

That's why i said



Because law abiding citizens will honor their rules. However a person with the intention to assault, maim, and murder will ignore their rules. Or simply attack the front gate as that's usually the largest cluster of people. All while I left my CCW back in the car or room, per their rules, leaving myself and my family defenseless.

If you were at the front gates at rope drop with the usual large crowd of folks and there was an active shooter or someone with a knife/hatchet etc etc you would honestly start shooting back if you had your gun with you? You're so confident that you're a crack shot that you wouldn't possibly hit anyone other than the attacker? Or is wounding/killing a fellow guest collateral damage you're willing to accept responsibility for in the defense of you and your family?

For me, in such a case, I feel like my best defense is to use my legs (which aren't all that great...right foot/leg is partially paralyzed but I do okay) and run away and hide.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

If you were at the front gates at rope drop with the usual large crowd of folks and there was an active shooter or someone with a knife/hatchet etc etc you would honestly start shooting back if you had your gun with you? You're so confident that you're a crack shot that you wouldn't possibly hit anyone other than the attacker? Or is wounding/killing a fellow guest collateral damage you're willing to accept responsibility for in the defense of you and your family?

For me, in such a case, I feel like my best defense is to use my legs (which aren't all that great...right foot/leg is partially paralyzed but I do okay) and run away and hide.

Since you asked, No I wouldn't start shooting. What I would do is follow the advice of the FBI "Run , Hide, Fight". It's that last part everyone seems to want to ignore, you see if as I'm trying to escape one of the attackers corners me and my family I would have the tools at hand to "Fight". I'm also under no illusion that I can muster my 4yr old DD and 20month old DS with any kind of expedience, so I'll be fairly slow at moving and as for hiding I'll probably have 2 crying children to draw attention to where I am.

Honestly I probably could get him as you say but my first concern is my family, and exposing myself by shooting back will endanger them. So even though I would be armed my main and only concern would be getting us to safety