New Security Measures At The Parks

[larryz]

That Wikipedia article has over 200 source references given, two of which were included in the quote by mackay_j.

Quote biased sources, get biased results. (AKA "garbage in, garbage out")

 

[MolonLabe]

David Clark is Sheriff in Milwaukee, WI.

You are correct on the location, sorry, I was correct on the other facts for him. Sheriff of the year and in favor of all law abiding citizens carrying.

I was thinking Detroit because The Police chief of Detroit, MI advocates citizens carry all the time and says it deters terrorist attacks. As I and others here have said, hundreds, if not thousands of Sheriffs (and police chiefs) want an armed citizenry because police can't be there all the time.

Source for the Detroit Sheriff- http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/12...rrorist-attacks-in-detroit-police-chief-says/

 

[Gracie09]

You are correct on the location, sorry, I was correct on the other facts for him. Sheriff of the year and in favor of all law abiding citizens carrying.

I was thinking Detroit because The Police chief of Detroit, MI advocates citizens carry all the time and says it deters terrorist attacks. As I and others here have said, hundreds, if not thousands of Sheriffs (and police chiefs) want an armed citizenry because police can't be there all the time.

Source for the Detroit Sheriff- http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/12...rrorist-attacks-in-detroit-police-chief-says/

Again the list above says seven (and most are rural counties near borders). When did seven = hundreds/thousands?

 

[DVCcurious]

Quote biased sources, get biased results. (AKA "garbage in, garbage out")

What source isn't biased? It seems that "bias" means "someone who disagrees with your preconceived notions". Hence Democrats think Fox is biased, Republicans think all other media is biased. Both are correct.

 

[amylevan]

Has anyone in this conversation actually contacted Disney to ask about the policy for Halloween parties? Or would that be too sensible and would kill the thread.

As mentioned several times throughout, yes Disney has been contacted and yes, as of right now MNSSHP is included. CMs have also been reporting on a a couple of these threads that their training included noting that it will include MNSSHP.

 

[FeralCatRogue]

I did contact and posted the response I got in another thread, but consideirng we have almost a year til Halloween I'm waiting til closer to worry about it.
me :
"I am seeing a bunch of sites stating that adults will not be allowed to wear halloween costumes at mnsshp starting this year. I was hoping someone could confirm or deny if this is a new policy. If it is the policy now this would be disheartening to hear since I quite enjoy spending my halloween in Disney World being able to be a kid again by trick or treating and dressing up."
cm :
"Thank you for contacting the Walt Disney World® Resort.

As of right now we are adjusting our policy on costumes and Guests ages 14 years and older are no longer permitted to wear costumes into the theme parks. This is strictly for security purposes, we hope you understand.

If you have questions or need further assistance, feel free to contact us.

Sincerely,

<name removed>
eCommerce Sales and Service Team"

 

[mackay_j]

All these people wanting some 'want to be hero 'to rescue them in the event of a terror attack- That is madness - do you know how long it takes and how careful the SAS or equiv would be in trying to get the situation under control before going in as in all probability any terrorist could have a bomb or series of bombs ready to go off.- Recall the cafe attack in Auz and how long it took before they armed forces stormed - they have to have it all planed out and these experts are trained in exactly the right time to go in. A have a go hero could in fact make the situation a whole lot worse. I have family of close friends who are in the special forces and are trained for terror scenarios (1 was flown out to Auz to be on stand by if required although we of course didn't know that at the time) - They all stress the last thing they would need would be the have a go hero - in fact that is one of there main dreads.

 

[MolonLabe]

Recall the cafe attack in Auz and how long it took before they armed forces stormed

Thank you again for proving the point of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs across the nation. By the time the "authorities" go in, everyone or virtually everyone is already dead or seriously wounded. Exactly how much worse could it be? That's their point. The San Bernadino murders were over in under 120 seconds. That's 2 minutes. The murderers walkinto a "gun free zone" killed or seriously injured all their coworkers and drove away before the first cop arrived.

Speaking of which,

The active shooter is only there cause he has a gun - less guns less problems simple!!

Again fantasy vs reality. Every single one of these mass murders (except gabby giffords) has taken place in a gun free zone using illegal weapons, illegally acquired or possessed. Reality and the facts simple don't align with you misinformation and emotions.

 

[mackay_j]

Thank you again for proving the point of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs across the nation. By the time the "authorities" go in, everyone or virtually everyone is already dead or seriously wounded. Exactly how much worse could it be? That's their point. The San Bernadino murders were over in under 120 seconds. That's 2 minutes. The murderers walkinto a "gun free zone" killed or seriously injured all their coworkers and drove away before the first cop arrived.

Speaking of which,


Again fantasy vs reality. Every single one of these mass murders (except gabby giffords) has taken place in a gun free zone using illegal weapons, illegally acquired or possessed. Reality and the facts simple don't align with you misinformation and emotions.

Many were rescued in Auz thankfully. I am sure the military (especially the special forces) know their stuff - If they don't want gun toting heroes then I think I will agree with their well trained approach.

You mention gun free zones - these would only work if there is a sure fire way to stop the gun lovers ever bringing in there guns into those areas - like border controls - As it stands unless all areas rigorously tighten gun controls guns will just be transported across these zone by rule breakers - like the lawyer at disney and the off duty police officers that some on here praised for previously getting their guns into Disney (a gun free zone).


Also your definition of illegally acquired is strange to me - I know 2 of these killings (and I don't and haven't looked into any others) the illegality you speak off is in fact guns which were held legally by other family members. Additionally of the top of my head I know of 4 cases of children who were shot by siblings or friends and 1 case of a parent being shot that 1 know of this year All of these happened with their parents legally held gun. The instructor was shot by the little girl by a legally held gun - In in US in 2010 there were 31513 gun deaths of approx 2000 where accidental I could go on if I googled more but I think I made my point.

Where I live has very tight gun control - gun crime is very very rare - not never but rare. gun accidents a big killer in the us is as rare as hens teeth here. So no guns - less bullets end up in people.

 

[SensesFailed]

like the lawyer at disney and the off duty police officers that some on here praised for previously getting their guns into Disney (a gun free zone)

People praised them for ignoring a business' right to dictate what goes on their property? Why am I not shocked.

 

[Billinaz]

The active shooter is only there cause he has a gun - less guns less problems simple!!

Less guns like in the UK where you are trying to ban knives now?

Where guns still proliferate in the country?


There are no realistic ways to ban all guns. If you think that fantasy is possible you are kidding yourself.

 

[Billinaz]

Where I live has very tight gun control - gun crime is very very rare - not never but rare. gun accidents a big killer in the us is as rare as hens teeth here. So no guns - less bullets end up in people.

So it appears....

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...ars-in-england-where-guns-are-banned-n1464528

 

[Billinaz]

People praised them for ignoring a business' right to dictate what goes on their property? Why am I not shocked.

Considering there is no way that they are going to prevent firearms from being on the property, people wanting to keep their family safe is the overriding factor.

They are only randomly scanning people. If selected you can opt out and leave, but the 100 they had go past the scanner still are not checked when that happens.

Logistically they cannot check every singe person, it would literally take many, many hours trying to accomplish that task. Think how long it takes to get through the airport security line and multiply it many, many times.

 

[mackay_j]

Less guns like in the UK where you are trying to ban knives now?

Where guns still proliferate in the country?


There are no realistic ways to ban all guns. If you think that fantasy is possible you are kidding yourself.

I am not arguing this with you any longer - I have already listed the official stats for where I am from previously in this thread also the governments crime figures, and have also addressed the knife gang issue (which rarely ever crosses into the general population)- yes of course there will always be illegal guns resulting in a small % of crime and needless death and injury. But if you are happy in a place where kids can shoot the their friends and family with their parents legal guns then so be it. By the way that rag you quoted has no facts in it ( check what is in there with the official stats I have quoted and against the gov figures I gave a link to the gov web site earlier) the and its sole purpose is to try and make the gullible feel their gun culture is justified - feel free to fall into line and continue to line the pockets of the gun manufactures.

 

[SensesFailed]

Considering there is no way that they are going to prevent firearms from being on the property, people wanting to keep their family safe is the overriding factor..

Yeah, actually they very well can do their very best to prevent firearms from being on their property.

I'm all for the 2nd amendment... and I'm also all for property rights, I don't pick and choose what rights I like and which I don't and ignore them. A property owner has the right to dictate what is allowed and not allowed on their property. I wouldn't say there is "now way" they could prevent firearms from being on their property.

 

[mackay_j]

Considering there is no way that they are going to prevent firearms from being on the property, people wanting to keep their family safe is the overriding factor.

They are only randomly scanning people. If selected you can opt out and leave, but the 100 they had go past the scanner still are not checked when that happens.

Logistically they cannot check every singe person, it would literally take many, many hours trying to accomplish that task. Think how long it takes to get through the airport security line and multiply it many, many times.

No words to describe what I think of anyone doing this - I hope they scan everyone and that someone makes it an actual criminal offence to bring a gun onto Disney property and they charged. Jail is where they should be for putting peoples life in danger.

 

[Retroloco]

Went to MK Monday around 6:00 p.m. Went through bag check, got randomly selected for security screening. Placed my bag on the table, went through the metal detector, and I was done. Took about 3 minutes for me to get in MK and be on my merry way. Everyone was very friendly and quick!

 

[Sammie]

As mentioned several times throughout, yes Disney has been contacted and yes, as of right now MNSSHP is included. CMs have also been reporting on a a couple of these threads that their training included noting that it will include MNSSHP.

Well that is interesting because I called guest services and was told no decision has been made concerning MNSSHP, that it was too early to make that decision. So as you can see with all things Disney, answers vary.

 

[starjazz]

Since apparently anything goes in this thread, I'm just gonna add this: What in the holy hell is going on? You wanna debate gun control, do it on Facebook or some other social media site.

You want to provide some valuable information about theme park planning and strategy that is relevant to this board and related to the new security measures, then by all means, please do so.

 

[Magpie]

Considering there is no way that they are going to prevent firearms from being on the property, people wanting to keep their family safe is the overriding factor.

I think the ethical thing to do, if you feel you must have a gun on you at all times in order to protect your family, is to respect the business's wishes and stay out of the parks.