New FastPass system?

Sums it up. We were there July 4th weekend/week so while capacity was way up, it wasn't what it is now (I read basically full capacity now with what is open). Without FP+ the only way to make that ticket worth the price is to stand in line the entire day, moving ride to ride. The times we went in stores for AC or avoid rain, they were EMPTY, I mean legit empty with CMs all just standing around talking. Even the snack lines that were open were fairly empty or too long to bother because we didn't have time. Disney needs people to shop and snack and dine = spending money. Yes, FP+ was to give guests that free time to open their wallets. It surely wasn't happening the week we were there, and WE opted to bring in lunches on all but AK day, only buying 1 meal per day. No money spent shopping and I think we got Dole Whips twice. That was it .... our tickets were so expensive we had to spend our day in lines to feel like we got value for them.
Your Signature includes:

""There is no right way or wrong way to do Disney, just what is right for you!"

Seems as if between us, we have nearly 100 years of Disney experiences.

We also have over 25,000 combined message on DisBoards - which are mostly intended to assist others in determining what is right for their family.

Above and beyond financial costs - with all the research & planning that is required for a Disney vacation, and Disney's ability to simply change the rules without notice - I simply am unable to recommend a 'right way' to do Disney right now.

FWIW, Josh @ easywdw did the math with sarcasm - wait times were ridiculous this summer.
 
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Your Signature includes:

""There is no right way or wrong way to do Disney, just what is right for you!"

Seems as if between us, we have nearly 100 years of Disney experiences.

We also have over 25,000 combined message on DisBoards - which are mostly intended to assist others in determining what is right for their family.

Above and beyond financial costs - with all the research & planning that is required for a Disney vacation, and Disney's ability to simply change the rules without notice - I simply am unable to recommend a 'right way' to do Disney right now.

FWIW, Josh @ easywdw did the math with sarcasm - wait times were ridiculous this summer.

Were you there when it opened too? We went Thanksgiving. It was certainly an experience with unmanageable crowds because Disney did not prepare for the door they opened. Almost sounds like now! 😏

You are correct, it is very difficult to help people right now because ... it is not the same place it was two years ago when we last went - we took a year off from our AP to go to Disneyland but it was COVID cancelled and we couldn't get AP back. We booked planning for masks full time, lower crowds and shorter hours. They changed all that; dropped masks, increased capacity (without opening more stuff) and then extended hours. With all the line waiting we opted to stay late which messed up our condo cooking dinner plans. Trip ended up about $1000+ more than we had planned for dining. And you know we didn't get quality food for that.

I do believe there is no right way or wrong way because every family/group/person's expectations, budgets, goals are different. I have helped so many people I know plan their trips from hotels, to tickets, to touring plans in the parks. But right now I feel like my best and only advise is don't go - wait until next year - or risk being disappointed. I'm scheduled to go back end of Oct (booked Marriott VC and can't change) and right now all we have are Universal APs (they were a bargain compared to our Disney tickets). If Disney doesn't open their APs for sale by our trip ... they won't get any money because I'm not buying regular tickets again.
 
My family is literally about to complete the vacation journey of our first Universal visit that ended at Hard Rock.

We had our daily 4-hour Park experiences that defined the previous decade at Disney. We 'ad libbed' the rest of our days with lower crowds, and with far less hassles & planning.

As I’ve repeatedly mentioned these past 2-weeks while on vacation - Disney did not price us out, they are simply offering a diminished customer experience while simultaneously charging more and more for what increasingly seems like less.

Our future vacations in Florida will likely include both Disney & Universal, but Universal showed us through Harry Potter what both Pandora & Stars Wars could have been.

Universal also has plans to grow beyond their current Parks, and my family is more excited by this than waiting to discover what abuse will be required to enjoy Tron, Guardians of the Galaxy, the purposefully idled Ratatouille, and seemingly over-priced Star Wars immersive experience.

Following the lockdowns of the pandemic, Disney completed a new members-only ‘club’ between Pandora & Africa, kept Ratatouille closed, announced pricing for the Star Wars hotel, eliminated add-ons, has kept entertainment to a minimum (at best), etc.. Universal opened a new roller coaster. It becomes easier to see which company has been more focused on the typical guest.

We were not enamored enough by Universal to yet diminish our ‘love’ for the nostalgia which Disney previously tried to deliver, but we certainly had a portion of our vacation at Universal that was far more accessible, less work, and more positive.

Said differently, Universal may not be Disney, however, we enjoyed ourselves.

I have little doubt that Disney will rebrand and remix whatever the next iteration of Fast Pass is going to be, and I have little doubt that customers will be asked to pay more for the privilege of what is likely to be FP by yet another name.

My family can afford the new costs. And my notion of economics tells me that Disney can & should charge as much as they can to maximize profits to their shareholders.

But I also expect Disney to be honest about how they maximize those profits. What's going on right now - no entertainment, no FP+, limited restaurants, etc. - is reminiscent of the circuses run by PT Barnum, "A sucker is born every minute."

The saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

My recent experience tells me that Disney is overplaying their hand.
My sentiments exactly of just about everything you’ve said here; touché. Couple add-ons, DIS is betting heavily on the long-term returns of slowly evolving the sensibilities of the ‘old-school’ Disney guest. In other words, DIS is willing to take it slow and wait for the ensuing generations to ‘tolerate’ the new Disney Norm until it becomes the default mind-set.
 
My family is literally about to complete the vacation journey of our first Universal visit that ended at Hard Rock.

We had our daily 4-hour Park experiences that defined the previous decade at Disney. We 'ad libbed' the rest of our days with lower crowds, and with far less hassles & planning.

As I’ve repeatedly mentioned these past 2-weeks while on vacation - Disney did not price us out, they are simply offering a diminished customer experience while simultaneously charging more and more for what increasingly seems like less.

Our future vacations in Florida will likely include both Disney & Universal, but Universal showed us through Harry Potter what both Pandora & Stars Wars could have been.

Universal also has plans to grow beyond their current Parks, and my family is more excited by this than waiting to discover what abuse will be required to enjoy Tron, Guardians of the Galaxy, the purposefully idled Ratatouille, and seemingly over-priced Star Wars immersive experience.

Following the lockdowns of the pandemic, Disney completed a new members-only ‘club’ between Pandora & Africa, kept Ratatouille closed, announced pricing for the Star Wars hotel, eliminated add-ons, has kept entertainment to a minimum (at best), etc.. Universal opened a new roller coaster. It becomes easier to see which company has been more focused on the typical guest.

We were not enamored enough by Universal to yet diminish our ‘love’ for the nostalgia which Disney previously tried to deliver, but we certainly had a portion of our vacation at Universal that was far more accessible, less work, and more positive.

Said differently, Universal may not be Disney, however, we enjoyed ourselves.

I have little doubt that Disney will rebrand and remix whatever the next iteration of Fast Pass is going to be, and I have little doubt that customers will be asked to pay more for the privilege of what is likely to be FP by yet another name.

My family can afford the new costs. And my notion of economics tells me that Disney can & should charge as much as they can to maximize profits to their shareholders.

But I also expect Disney to be honest about how they maximize those profits. What's going on right now - no entertainment, no FP+, limited restaurants, etc. - is reminiscent of the circuses run by PT Barnum, "A sucker is born every minute."

The saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

My recent experience tells me that Disney is overplaying their hand.
Spot on assessment.
 

Were you there when it opened too? We went Thanksgiving. It was certainly an experience with unmanageable crowds because Disney did not prepare for the door they opened. Almost sounds like now! 😏

You are correct, it is very difficult to help people right now because ... it is not the same place it was two years ago when we last went - we took a year off from our AP to go to Disneyland but it was COVID cancelled and we couldn't get AP back. We booked planning for masks full time, lower crowds and shorter hours. They changed all that; dropped masks, increased capacity (without opening more stuff) and then extended hours. With all the line waiting we opted to stay late which messed up our condo cooking dinner plans. Trip ended up about $1000+ more than we had planned for dining. And you know we didn't get quality food for that.

I do believe there is no right way or wrong way because every family/group/person's expectations, budgets, goals are different. I have helped so many people I know plan their trips from hotels, to tickets, to touring plans in the parks. But right now I feel like my best and only advise is don't go - wait until next year - or risk being disappointed. I'm scheduled to go back end of Oct (booked Marriott VC and can't change) and right now all we have are Universal APs (they were a bargain compared to our Disney tickets). If Disney doesn't open their APs for sale by our trip ... they won't get any money because I'm not buying regular tickets again.
It seems you may get your wish! :) Based on this announcement for Disneyland, they tucked away a little nugget of hope for WDW guests who wish to purchase Annual Passes.

'And for those wondering about Walt Disney World Annual Passes, new pass sales will become available in time for the start of the 50th anniversary celebration! Walt Disney World Resort will be sharing additional information and details later this month, so be sure to stay tuned to DisneyWorld.com and the Disney Parks Blog.'
 
It seems you may get your wish! :) Based on this announcement for Disneyland, they tucked away a little nugget of hope for WDW guests who wish to purchase Annual Passes.

'And for those wondering about Walt Disney World Annual Passes, new pass sales will become available in time for the start of the 50th anniversary celebration! Walt Disney World Resort will be sharing additional information and details later this month, so be sure to stay tuned to DisneyWorld.com and the Disney Parks Blog.'

I hope so, DS1 knows his way around Orlando and if we don't go to Disney World, his home away from home, I don't know how our trip will go. 🤞 When we booked I was sure we'd have them already. I can't unbook since I was gifted MVC points. Luckily we bought Universal AP this summer since they weren't much more than regular tickets, and DS2 had one already.

Now the question will be what will they offer since FL Residents did get lots of options and what will the prices be. My holding hope is that they have been renewing, so we'll see.
 
Were you there when it opened too? We went Thanksgiving. It was certainly an experience with unmanageable crowds because Disney did not prepare for the door they opened. Almost sounds like now! 😏

You are correct, it is very difficult to help people right now because ... it is not the same place it was two years ago when we last went - we took a year off from our AP to go to Disneyland but it was COVID cancelled and we couldn't get AP back. We booked planning for masks full time, lower crowds and shorter hours. They changed all that; dropped masks, increased capacity (without opening more stuff) and then extended hours. With all the line waiting we opted to stay late which messed up our condo cooking dinner plans. Trip ended up about $1000+ more than we had planned for dining. And you know we didn't get quality food for that.

I do believe there is no right way or wrong way because every family/group/person's expectations, budgets, goals are different. I have helped so many people I know plan their trips from hotels, to tickets, to touring plans in the parks. But right now I feel like my best and only advise is don't go - wait until next year - or risk being disappointed. I'm scheduled to go back end of Oct (booked Marriott VC and can't change) and right now all we have are Universal APs (they were a bargain compared to our Disney tickets). If Disney doesn't open their APs for sale by our trip ... they won't get any money because I'm not buying regular tickets again.
Not the 'opening day' kinda' fella' and live far away from Florida.

But we went for a few summer trips in the mid-1970's. Rode Space Mountain the year it opened.

On my way to college Spring Break, stopped at Epcot about the year it opened.

Remember when you could not walk around Crescent Lake when I stayed at Boardwalk in the 1990's.

Had my biggest Disney laugh at the poking-benches shortly after It's Tough to Be a Bug opened in Animal Kingdom.

My not-yet teenager has experienced both 'old' & 'new' Fantasyland, and multiple trips annually before she went to school.
 
Not the 'opening day' kinda' fella' and live far away from Florida.

But we went for a few summer trips in the mid-1970's. Rode Space Mountain the year it opened.

On my way to college Spring Break, stopped at Epcot about the year it opened.

Remember when you could not walk around Crescent Lake when I stayed at Boardwalk in the 1990's.

Had my biggest Disney laugh at the poking-benches shortly after It's Tough to Be a Bug opened in Animal Kingdom.

My not-yet teenager has experienced both 'old' & 'new' Fantasyland, and multiple trips annually before she went to school.

Well it's been officially announced so we get to enjoy a whole new level of Disney Parks ...

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2021/08/introducing-disney-genie/
 



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