Naked as a Jay Bird!

[mkycrzy1971]

To me that equals anyone! Her dad, friends, uncles...

To those of you from other countries (and apparently a few from the US)... let it equal what you want it to equal....in the US, the majority of us consider the people we allow into our homes (living or visiting) as safe...therefore, no it does not equal anyone...yes, you must always be cautious, but for the most part, they ARE safe...if that is not how it is in other countries around the world...so be it....but I would not live in a home that I did not consider "safe"....

 

[U2_rocks!]

Here I go again with what??? My opinion??? I did not imply nor say that if you do agree with me you are a bad parent...words are being "twisted" again...and no, there are not any more important things in my life than the safety of my children...sorry you do not agree

This is getting tiresome - I cannot say anything without you jumping up in arms about it! You have implied very clearly that you do not understand parents who don't feel the same way you do, and there is definitely an undertone there that you feel like you're the better parent for it. Fine, feel however you like.

But just bear in mind that there are many aspects to safety. How dare you imply that I don't agree that the safety of my children is the most important thing in my life! (you said "there are not any more important things in my life than the safety of my children...sorry you do not agree"). We are talking about dressing kids so that perverts can't get naked photos of them - how does it endanger the life of your children if photos DO get taken? I can think of many things that WILL endanger the life or health of a child, such as not using car seats properly, not supervising them adequately, not teaching them proper nutrition ... and the list goes on and on. Sorry, but naked photos are just not up there with the things that could actually KILL my child. So excuse me for not getting hysterical over the thought of a naked child in public and that small chance of a pervert with a camera being there at the right time, in the right place. Mind you, my kids don't go naked in public anyway, so this is a totally moot point.

 

[U2_rocks!]

To me that equals anyone! Her dad, friends, uncles...

Exactly - just talk to those poor mothers who've found out that their kid was molested by a trusted family member! It happens a lot- and yes, in the U.S. Maybe it's not that prevalent in small towns or more affluent areas, but it sure happens an awful lot if you look at the U.S. as a whole. There are documented statistics that support it, I have seen them (but don't ask me to find them right now).

 

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Exactly - just talk to those poor mothers who've found out that their kid was molested by a trusted family member! It happens a lot- and yes, in the U.S. Maybe it's not that prevalent in small towns or more affluent areas, but it sure happens an awful lot if you look at the U.S. as a whole. There are documented statistics that support it, I have seen them (but don't ask me to find them right now).

believe me..I know all too well what you are talking about. It's something I care not to expand on anymore than my simple comment but people are naive if they think it can't happen to them (or their child for that matter).

--Mr. DB

 

[mkycrzy1971]

This is getting tiresome - I cannot say anything without you jumping up in arms about it! I agree...the same goes for meYou have implied very clearly that you do not understand parents who don't feel the same way you do, and there is definitely an undertone there that you feel like you're the better parent for it. Fine, feel however you like. I never said I was a better parent for feeling this way...never even implied implied it...just that I feel it is wrong to take the chance and do not understand why anyone would do so

But just bear in mind that there are many aspects to safety. How dare you imply that I don't agree that the safety of my children is the most important thing in my life! (you said "there are not any more important things in my life than the safety of my children...sorry you do not agree"). "How one might feel about this issue alone does not determine whether you are a good or bad parent. There are far more important things." Those are your words...I only wrote that I am sorry that you do not agree... We are talking about dressing kids so that perverts can't get naked photos of them - how does it endanger the life of your children where in the world did I say or imply in endangers their Lives...it does endanger their mental health and those that love and care about them...I do not want people thinking this way about my children if photos DO get taken? I can think of many things that WILL endanger the life or health of a child, such as not using car seats properly, not supervising them adequately, not teaching them proper nutrition ... and the list goes on and on. Sorry, but naked photos are just not up there with the things that could actually KILL my child. Again, I did not say anything about KILL...So excuse me for not getting hysterical over the thought of a naked child in public and that small chance of a pervert with a camera being there at the right time, in the right place. Mind you, my kids don't go naked in public anyway, so this is a totally moot point. Then why argue it???

See my comments in Bold, navy text

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Exactly - just talk to those poor mothers who've found out that their kid was molested by a trusted family member! It happens a lot- and yes, in the U.S. Maybe it's not that prevalent in small towns or more affluent areas, but it sure happens an awful lot if you look at the U.S. as a whole. There are documented statistics that support it, I have seen them (but don't ask me to find them right now).

It is very prevalent in the US...I am not denying that...but I KNOW that that the risk of it happening in my own home is practically "nill"...and the risk of it happening in public is MUCH greater....not molestation....nude pics...that IS the topic here...

 

[mkycrzy1971]

believe me..I know all too well what you are talking about. It's something I care not to expand on anymore than my simple comment but people are naive if they think it can't happen to them (or their child for that matter).

--Mr. DB

There is always a risk....and you are correct...people are VERY naive if they think it cannot happen to them or their child....

 

[Freyja]

It is very prevalent in the US...I am not denying that...but I KNOW that that the risk of it happening in my own home is practically "nill"...and the risk of it happening in public is MUCH greater....not molestation....nude pics...that IS the topic here...[/QUOTE]

I must be really stupid I thought we were discussing possible molestation just a smuch as nude pics. I don´t worry about nude pics in particular.

 

[mkycrzy1971]

It is very prevalent in the US...I am not denying that...but I KNOW that that the risk of it happening in my own home is practically "nill"...and the risk of it happening in public is MUCH greater....not molestation....nude pics...that IS the topic here...[/QUOTE]

I must be really stupid I thought we were discussing possible molestation just a smuch as nude pics. I don´t worry about nude pics in particular.

Noooooo....go back to the start...my argument has been about nude pics all along....and yes....it is a worry to me and a big deal....why would it not be to think a sicko is getting his jollies looking at nude pics of your child/children??

 

[Alesia]

See my responses in bold, navy print

You should go back and read my posts again.

 

[mkycrzy1971]

You should go back and read my posts again.

For what reason....and what post???

 

[DonnaL]

As other posters above have said, the child and his/her parents were probably from a foreign country. If I had to venture a guess, I would say Europe. Europeans are very open about public nudity which is fine when they are vacationing in their own culture......however, as the saying goes "when in Rome ....do as the Romans do" and while vacationing in the US it is up to the parents to teach their children to follow and respect the cultures of our country.

 

[Freyja]

Noooooo....go back to the start...my argument has been about nude pics all along....and yes....it is a worry to me and a big deal....why would it not be to think a sicko is getting his jollies looking at nude pics of your child/children??

I tend to spend my energy on worrying about things that could/would harm my children. If a sicko is just looking at pics he doesn´t harm my child. If my child is kept somewhere against its will while someone makes them do things in front of a camers they´re not supposed to do, then that´s another story.

 

[Alesia]

For what reason....and what post???

Because you have completely misunderstood everything I have said. I would not let my daughter play naked in a fountain, but not because I'm freaked out about the infinitesimal chance of a pervert taking her picture. She stays dressed because it is inappropriate for a child that age to be naked in our society. I just think its kind of weird that you're making a federal case out of it. There are so many things in this world to be truly afraid of. Why make this a priority. If someone lets their 4 year old play naked in a fountain, its inappropriate, but isn't exactly dangerous.

 

[mkycrzy1971]

I tend to spend my energy on worrying about things that could/would harm my children. If a sicko is just looking at pics he doesn´t harm my child. If my child is kept somewhere against its will while someone makes them do things in front of a camers they´re not supposed to do, then that´s another story.

Then I guess you have no more to say about this topic...I tend to think this could potentially hurt a child mentally...my point all along has been...how would you feel if a (to give an example) police office came knocking on your door one day and told you they had busted a child porn ring and they identified one of the pics on the site as one of your children...and to boot, it was because you allowed your child to play nude in a fountain at WDW...there would end up being a big "Legal to-do" and it could cause mental health issues for you, your family, your child, etc.... THIS IS MY POINT....why take the risk with a child???? Keep it in private...IMO, it is okay to play in the family wading pool in the back yard nude...pee in the back yard, etc... (for toddlers, that is... ) but society tells us in the US that it is not okay to "show it all" in public...other countries...maybe they are different...but not the US.

 

[Alesia]

how would you feel if a (to give an example) police office came knocking on your door one day and told you they had busted a child porn ring and they identified one of the pics on the site as one of your children...and to boot, it was because you allowed your child to play nude in a fountain at WDW...there would end up being a big "Legal to-do" and it could cause mental health issues for you, your family, your child, etc.... THIS IS MY POINT....why take the risk with a child????

Do you think you would be less disturbed to find out men were looking at pictures of your child in a bathing suit? That would bother me just as much, but I'm not going to tell my little girl that she can never go swimming again

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Because you have completely misunderstood everything I have said. I would not let my daughter play naked in a fountain, but not because I'm freaked out about the infinitesimal chance of a pervert taking her picture. She stays dressed because it is inappropriate for a child that age to be naked in our society. I just think its kind of weird that you're making a federal case out of it. There are so many things in this world to be truly afraid of. Why make this a priority. If someone lets their 4 year old play naked in a fountain, its inappropriate, but isn't exactly dangerous.

I apolgize if I misunderstood you...but to ME it IS a priority...I not only take my children's physical safety into consideration, but their mental health as well...to me this could potentially damage a child (mentally) for life...or at least a long time....see my previous post for further explaination....again, I am sorry I misunderstood you...

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Do you think you would be less disturbed to find out men were looking at pictures of your child in a bathing suit? That would bother me just as much, but I'm not going to tell my little girl that she can never go swimming again

It would anger me and I would do what I could to press charges...but, they are in a bathing suit...covered....not the same in my opinion.

 

[MRNsMommy]

To me that equals anyone! Her dad, friends, uncles...

Actually, I don't know about your particular dad, friends, uncles...but I don't consider mine to be predators. Again, I KNOW it would be naive to think it could never happen to my child (even in my home)...but I do consider my home to be a safe place for now, and if I were to ever suspect any of my family/friends of any sort of wrong-doing towards my child, then they wouldn't be allowed in my house or around my child.
Do I sit and worry all day long about pedophiles taking pictures of my child (naked or not)? NO! But again...I'm not going to let them get off on seeing my child naked either.
TBH, if this had happened to us, and my DD had been the one that stripped down at a fountain. I probably wouldn't have even had time to think about a pedophile being able to snap a picture of her naked. I probably would've been too busy trying to get her clothes back on...simply b/c I think it's inappropriate for a 4-year-old to be running around naked in public. period! But the reason all this got brought up, by me at least, is b/c one poster on the first or second page, asked what pedophiles even have to do w/ the topic. And, like it or not, pedophiles ARE an issue!

And for the record...I, personally, do not think anyone is a bad parent just b/c they disagree w/ me on one issue. The one piece of advice my mom has given me about parenting, that will always stick w/ me, is to NEVER say never when it comes to something your child will do/or that can be done to your child. No matter how much we try to protect our children, something can always happen...I'm just trying to do the best I can!

 

[Alesia]

I apolgize if I misunderstood you...but to ME it IS a priority...I not only take my children's physical safety into consideration, but their mental health as well...to me this could potentially damage a child (mentally) for life...or at least a long time....see my previous post for further explaination....again, I am sorry I misunderstood you...

I think my main point is that you cannot worry every possible thing that could possibly happen. You will drive yourself crazy. Its important to take every reasonable precaution, but you can't live your life terrified that there is a predator around every corner. If you don't feel comfortable letting your young child be naked in public, then by all means don't let him. No one is saying you should. But you can't assume parents who do allow that are terrible parents. They are just culturally different than you are. Yes, visitors should be aware of how things are done in this country, but no guidebook covers every possible contingency.

BTW, I do think that people who get off on looking at children who are clothed are just as sick as people who get off on seeing naked children.