Naked as a Jay Bird!

[bzzymom]

I have seen young kids in underwear or swim diaper playing in the fountain areas. I personally haven't let my kids do that.

When DS had his 5th Bday party at a lake, we had a shelter near the bathroom. He went in to go potty with his swim trunks on, when he finished he ran out naked carrying his trunks with him We had a lot on video that day, but the camera's were off for that.

 

[mkycrzy1971]

As I read most of this thread, I do realize that cultural differences do occur. However, as the old adage goes: When in Spain, do as the Spanyards. So, therefore the same should be true of when traveling to America, do as the Americans do. In our country we unfortunately have a high number of pediphiles and I also realize that many of you recognize that fact. But the fact remains that when in WDW we have no idea who is a pedphile, case in point happened recently at the Swan by the pool. None of know who is watching our children at play. Why would anyone take unnecessary chances that some weirdo could be scoping out your child just waiting for an opportunity to move in. I think that it is negligent on the part of parents to be so trusting of the public at large. While many of us would say oh how cute to the 2 yr. old who has pulled off his diaper to run thru the fountains, most moms would immediately scoop their child up and put the diaper back on. Would that be for hygiene reasons or safety reasons, for me it would have been both.

I just don't see why anyone would take unneccessary chances with their children like that. My children have always been very private about dressing and undressing and I as her parent have always respected their right to be that way.

I do on the other hand have a sister who has a Lasie Faire attitude about the body as well. She works in a hospital and sees bodies all day long, so to her it is fact of life to see naked people. I was offended when years ago, at Water Country USA she changed her child's diaper (who was 2) right there beside the side of the pool. I told her to go the rest room to do it and she looked at me like I had 2 heads, she why, I don't feel like walking over there. I think it is a matter of how people view the body.

I choose to not show my DDs off in public naked, never have and never will. I will not give some pervert any ammunition to get his rocks off.

FLAME SUIT ON NOW!!!!

You go girl!!! No need for a flame suit...as a responsible parent, I think just the opposite is true and I am NOT ashamed to say it. And I am glad to see that someone else agrees with me about the fact that keeping your child clothed while in the fountain (or other public places for that matter) is for both hygiene and safety...I just wish everyone could see the risks they are taking with their children...however, we all know we are not living in a perfect world...I am sure that there are many people that might disagree with some of my parenting methods...just as I disagree with theirs...

 

[mkycrzy1971]

I have seen young kids in underwear or swim diaper playing in the fountain areas. I personally haven't let my kids do that.

When DS had his 5th Bday party at a lake, we had a shelter near the bathroom. He went in to go potty with his swim trunks on, when he finished he ran out naked carrying his trunks with him We had a lot on video that day, but the camera's were off for that.

That is funny! However, this was not your fault (or his, for that matter...we all learn at somepoint....welll....hopefully!)...sometimes kids do the funniest things....it is our responsiblity to teach our children that there is a time and a place....they do not know right from wrong unless we teach them....I am assuming you gently let your son know that it was not the place and helped him get dressed again...no harm, no foul...

 

[tchrrx]

So....what are Jay birds & why are they considered to be naked?

Because of this saying, I grew up believing that Jaywalking meant someone was caught walking around naked!

 

[mom2taylorandemily]

So....what are Jay birds & why are they considered to be naked?

Because of this saying, I grew up believing that Jaywalking meant someone was caught walking around naked!

 

[mkycrzy1971]

So....what are Jay birds & why are they considered to be naked?

Because of this saying, I grew up believing that Jaywalking meant someone was caught walking around naked!

OMG...that is too funny!! At last someone who had decided to "lighten-up"...I have always taken it to be just an "old-time" saying...but, hey....according to most posting on this topic....I am wrong....better ask the "experts"

 

[MRNsMommy]

I guess you don´t let her run around naked anywhere then? Not even at home!

Did you even read all of what I posted?
Here...I'll copy and paste it for you...

"As I said previously, I, personally, do NOT find it offensive for a child to be in the buff. I think it's cute, but I'm also not naive...I realize there are people out there who disgustingly are turned on by that! I have a two-year-old who loves to run around naked and I realize they can disrobe quickly, but in public, I make sure the clothes stay on...when we're in the privacy of our own home, she can do as she pleases!"

 

[MRNsMommy]

So....what are Jay birds & why are they considered to be naked?

Because of this saying, I grew up believing that Jaywalking meant someone was caught walking around naked!

I thought the same thing when I was younger!!! LOL!

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Did you even read all of what I posted?
Here...I'll copy and paste it for you...

"As I said previously, I, personally, do NOT find it offensive for a child to be in the buff. I think it's cute, but I'm also not naive...I realize there are people out there who disgustingly are turned on by that! I have a two-year-old who loves to run around naked and I realize they can disrobe quickly, but in public, I make sure the clothes stay on...when we're in the privacy of our own home, she can do as she pleases!"

Some have stated there are people "twisting" what is being said or "putting words" into one's mouth...maybe that is what is happening here...I understood you very clearly...what this poster said is NOT what you implied or stated...again, you made yourself VERY clear the first time....there are a select few who "read between the lines" or chose to ignore clear print...

 

[U2_rocks!]

You go girl!!! No need for a flame suit...as a responsible parent, I think just the opposite is true and I am NOT ashamed to say it. And I am glad to see that someone else agrees with me about the fact that keeping your child clothed while in the fountain (or other public places for that matter) is for both hygiene and safety...I just wish everyone could see the risks they are taking with their children...however, we all know we are not living in a perfect world...I am sure that there are many people that might disagree with some of my parenting methods...just as I disagree with theirs...

I think it's pretty clear now that you think that anyone who allows their child to be naked in public is a completely irresponsible parent, you've said it enough times now!

For the record ..... I haven't read any posts that say you should send your child out right now to play naked in front of everyone. No-one's advocating it! It's just that many of us don't think it's the biggest risk in the world to take, and aren't fazed if we see someone else do it. You may think that every foreigner arriving on your shores should immediately know what a huge risk it is to allow their child to play naked in a theme park (which they may judge as safer than most places) water fountain. I just don't think that's an entirely reasonable expectation. They aren't WRONG - they're simply unaware. You can choose to educate them as to why YOU think they are wrong - but be prepared for any kind of a reaction (thank you or hostility), because after all it is just your opinion. They are entitled to their own.

This subject is like so many others that get debated around here - in the end it boils down to everyone's individual risk tolerance and assessment of a given situation. We're all somewhere along the spectrum between the parent who does nothing to protect their child from anything, and the parent who wraps their child in a bubble. Each of us has our own reasons for being where we are along the spectrum, and I don't think it's fair to judge other parents on individual risk decisions. Even though you think you're being the most protective parent on this issue, I might be more protective on a different issue, and who's to say which of our children is "safer" overall? Given the number of risks we face every day with our children, some of them affecting our kids' very lives, I don't think this particular one needs to rank near the very top. Others can feel free to disagree.

 

[U2_rocks!]

Did you even read all of what I posted?
Here...I'll copy and paste it for you...

"As I said previously, I, personally, do NOT find it offensive for a child to be in the buff. I think it's cute, but I'm also not naive...I realize there are people out there who disgustingly are turned on by that! I have a two-year-old who loves to run around naked and I realize they can disrobe quickly, but in public, I make sure the clothes stay on...when we're in the privacy of our own home, she can do as she pleases!"

Here's how I understood freya's post: since a large number of pedophiles end up being people that the child knows well (i.e. they could be in the child's own home - uncle, stepfather etc.), if you don't want your child to be naked around anyone who could turn out to be a pedophile, that means you'd have to not allow your child to run around naked at home either. It was an exercise in logic, that's all. Of course, if you believe that the pedophiles are all strangers, and no-one your child is very close to could ever harbour such vile thoughts about your child, then I can see why you'd consider your own home "safe". I consider my home to be safe as well, given who's usually in or around it.

 

[Princess Stitch]

So, I know that there's a law against pubic indecency in that adults are not allowed to go running around naked. Does the same law not apply to children? I mean, we're not talking about an infant here. If it was ok for a 4 year old what about a 5 year old? 6? 8? 10? at what point is there a cutoff when it becomes inappropriate? Also, how do you explain to your child that "last year you could swim in your underware but you can't do this any more".

I'm not trying to be rude, but I don't have kids and when I was little we were sure as heck in our bathing suits or covered up when we played in the water.

 

[MRNsMommy]

Here's how I understood freya's post: since a large number of pedophiles end up being people that the child knows well (i.e. they could be in the child's own home - uncle, stepfather etc.), if you don't want your child to be naked around anyone who could turn out to be a pedophile, that means you'd have to not allow your child to run around naked at home either. It was an exercise in logic, that's all. Of course, if you believe that the pedophiles are all strangers, and no-one your child is very close to could ever harbour such vile thoughts about your child, then I can see why you'd consider your own home "safe". I consider my home to be safe as well, given who's usually in or around it.

Actually, I did understand what she was saying, but it seems to me that I made it pretty clear that I trust the people who I let into my home by stating that at home she does as she pleases!
And...I think what some of you are confusing is the fact that yes child MOLESTOR's victims are mostly a child they know well...I'm not arguing that fact. BUT a pedophile can be ANYONE/ANYWHERE! And I realize that I can't put my child in a bubble to protect them, but I can do my best to safeguard them when I am around. Which means, if I see them starting to disrobe in public, I know enough to put the clothes back on them. At home, I trust my DH...I know he's not a molestor. And there are very few other people who've seen my DD naked...all of whom I trust. Sure, I realize that molestors use a person's trust, and that something horrible could STILL happen to my DD by someone we trust. BUT the simple fact...that I've already stated...is that I'm not going to further facilitate any pedophile's fantasies by actually allowing my DD to run around naked in front of them!
And you're right...on another subject, the way you parent your children might be the safer way, but we're talking about the subject that the OP posted. I never said I was the perfect parent...only that I do my best. And for this particular subject, I think keeping clothes on my DD in public is best!

 

[mkycrzy1971]

I think it's pretty clear now that you think that anyone who allows their child to be naked in public is a completely irresponsible parent, you've said it enough times now!
I have NEVER said this...it seems you need to re-read my posts...but I think it is unsafe and wrong according to the conduct that is expected in this country
For the record ..... I haven't read any posts that say you should send your child out right now to play naked in front of everyone. No-one's advocating it! That is not what I have seen/read....maybe I misunderstood... It's just that many of us don't think it's the biggest risk in the world to take, and aren't fazed if we see someone else do it. You may think that every foreigner arriving on your shores should immediately know what a huge risk it is to allow their child to play naked in a theme park (which they may judge as safer than most places) water fountain. I just don't think that's an entirely reasonable expectation. They aren't WRONG - they're simply unaware. You can choose to educate them as to why YOU think they are wrong - but be prepared for any kind of a reaction (thank you or hostility), because after all it is just your opinion. They are entitled to their own.This maybe true, but as a citizen of the US I follow the rules/laws/conduct that is expected here and abroad...I think others should also...show respect for the having an opportunity to visit another area of the world so freely...that is not asking too much...is it???

This subject is like so many others that get debated around here - in the end it boils down to everyone's individual risk tolerance and assessment of a given situation. We're all somewhere along the spectrum between the parent who does nothing to protect their child from anything, and the parent who wraps their child in a bubble. Each of us has our own reasons for being where we are along the spectrum, and I don't think it's fair to judge other parents on individual risk decisions. Even though you think you're being the most protective parent on this issue, I might be more protective on a different issue, and who's to say which of our children is "safer" overall? Given the number of risks we face every day with our children, some of them affecting our kids' very lives, I don't think this particular one needs to rank near the very top. Others can feel free to disagree.As I do...sorry...my kids mental and physical health are too important

See my responses in bold, navy print

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Here's how I understood freya's post: since a large number of pedophiles end up being people that the child knows well (i.e. they could be in the child's own home - uncle, stepfather etc.), if you don't want your child to be naked around anyone who could turn out to be a pedophile, that means you'd have to not allow your child to run around naked at home either. It was an exercise in logic, that's all. Of course, if you believe that the pedophiles are all strangers, and no-one your child is very close to could ever harbour such vile thoughts about your child, then I can see why you'd consider your own home "safe". I consider my home to be safe as well, given who's usually in or around it.

Again..."twisting" words and taking this subject to a whole new level...to even say this is completely crazy!! This is not what the OP ment nor is it anywhere close to being true...

 

[simonkodousek]

We just got back from our wonderful Disney Vacation! Had a blast... but ran into a situation that kept our family talking for days:

We were headed to IASW and passed Ariel's Grotto, where we all looked to see what the wait time was. As we look up, we see kids playing in the water feature there. We turned back around, minding our own business. Then, we all collectively stop, turn back around and see a little boy, about 4 years old, completely naked and playing in the water!! It was about right then that a CM tried to guide the little boy back to his mother/grandmother (don't know which), to at least let some pants on.

I just can't get over the fact that you don't know who/what is out there. With two kids of my own, it scares me silly! Also, there were other kids playing with this little boy, so I don't know if these other parents just didn't care, as well, or were too uncomfortable to say, "No. You can't play with that naked kid!"

My question is, I am the only one that has encountered this in WDW (or any other place, for that matter)? Do others think it's "No big deal"?

I'd love to hear stories or anything anyone has to say! Thanks!!

I have seen this a lot. Not only in WDW, but many other places as well, there are very iresponsible (sp?) parents who let their children run around naked. This is not only very inappropriate, it is also very rude...

 

[mkycrzy1971]

So, I know that there's a law against pubic indecency in that adults are not allowed to go running around naked. Does the same law not apply to children? I mean, we're not talking about an infant here. If it was ok for a 4 year old what about a 5 year old? 6? 8? 10? at what point is there a cutoff when it becomes inappropriate? Also, how do you explain to your child that "last year you could swim in your underware but you can't do this any more".

I'm not trying to be rude, but I don't have kids and when I was little we were sure as heck in our bathing suits or covered up when we played in the water.

Hey...what do you know....even those adults without children somehow realize that this in inappropriate....glad to hear you are on our side (the minority side, that is)...you will make a great parent someday...

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Actually, I did understand what she was saying, but it seems to me that I made it pretty clear that I trust the people who I let into my home by stating that at home she does as she pleases! I agree wholeheartedly..those are my exact feelings too
And...I think what some of you are confusing is the fact that yes child MOLESTOR's victims are mostly a child they know well...I'm not arguing that fact. BUT a pedophile can be ANYONE/ANYWHERE!You are so right...I am not sure when someone "twisted" this conversation to molestation rather than predator/pedophile...but again, a lot has been "twisted" And I realize that I can't put my child in a bubble to protect them, but I can do my best to safeguard them when I am around. Which means, if I see them starting to disrobe in public, I know enough to put the clothes back on them. At home, I trust my DH...I know he's not a molestor. And there are very few other people who've seen my DD naked...all of whom I trust. very well said!!! Sure, I realize that molestors use a person's trust, and that something horrible could STILL happen to my DD by someone we trust. BUT the simple fact...that I've already stated...is that I'm not going to further facilitate any pedophile's fantasies by actually allowing my DD to run around naked in front of them!
And you're right...on another subject, the way you parent your children might be the safer way, but we're talking about the subject that the OP posted. I never said I was the perfect parent...only that I do my best. And for this particular subject, I think keeping clothes on my DD in public is best!

See my responses in bold, navy

 

[mkycrzy1971]

I have seen this a lot. Not only in WDW, but many other places as well, there are very iresponsible (sp?) parents who let their children run around naked. This is not only very inappropriate, it is also very rude...

SCORE ANOTHER POINT FOR THE MINORITY SIDE!!! I guess there are still some parents in the world that teach their children modesty (when and when not to run around in the "buff") other than myself and a handful of others.

 

[estherhead]

Wow, this is quite the subject. Dh & I even disagree on this point! We have 5 & 6 year old girls and argue about the subject of nudity. I won't tell you who feels which way, but I will say that obviously we aren't the only ones who argue about such things!