LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

[lauradis]

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/disney-parks-disability-access-service-card-fact-sheet/

This is worst then any fp+ change.

But disboard hasn't had million page arguments about this one.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

You have to be careful here. Disney is charging less than the market will bear for its product. If Disney's price point were set exactly at what the market would bear, then it could not raise its prices by even a single dollar more. The latest price increase could have been a dollar higher and we'd still be having this same discussion. Truth is, we have no idea where the breaking point is, other than to know that we haven't hit it yet.

When their ticket sales decrease, then they will know.

If you can raise prices on ANY product and not see a decline in sales...the discussion is moot.

People complain about Black Friday hours--they still show up in DROVES. (Obviously not a product but an opening time--but the complaints do not yield a decline in participation.)

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/disney-parks-disability-access-service-card-fact-sheet/

This is worst then any fp+ change.

But disboard hasn't had million page arguments about this one.

To my knowledge, it is similar to other theme parks. So it is a difficult thing to argue. And certainly since it doesn't impair their own vacations.

I do agreed that it seems to have negatively impacted more people than FP+. At least with the latter--you can still go to Disney. With the former, accessibility has literally been reduced.

 

[flicx]

You realize there were only 2 parks in 1982, right?

No one is denying prices have risen- What I'm saying is if you could afford WDW last month- the price increase is not the breaking point for not being able to afford to go now. That increase can easily be made up elsewhere.

Also, the 3 day hopper is one of the most expensive ways to enter the park. The best price breaks start happening I believe at the 5 day mark- there's a reason this happens and Disney marketing was brilliant for doing it that way.

And the bottom line is, Disney would be idiots to charge less than the market will bear for their product. Not money hungry or heartless for doing it- stupid for not doing it.

You realize you are just continue to make my point. Families of less means go for shorter amounts of time. So they get the brunt of these ticket increases. You keep saying these 5 dollar increases mean next to nothing. If Disney continues to raise 5 bucks twice a year. that's 200 dollar one day passes in 10 years. Double the price. Now lets say it only happens once a year . That's a 50% increase in that same time. Past performance indicate neither of these scenarios are far fetched. That is just tickets too. Start adding room and food increases and wow!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

You realize you are just continue to make my point. Families of less means go for shorter amounts of time. So they get the brunt of these ticket increases. You keep saying these 5 dollar increases mean next to nothing. If Disney continues to raise 5 bucks twice a year. that's 200 dollar one day passes in 10 years. Double the price. Now lets say it only happens once a year . That's a 50% increase in that same time. Past performance indicate neither of these scenarios are far fetched. That is just tickets too. Start adding room and food increases and wow!

Earlier you quoted a $6000 vacation. Is that not yours and just what you think it would cost?

Perhaps you can post what YOUR budget is and the helpful folks here can make suggestions.

Because sticking with generalities and complaining how it priced you out doesn't help anyone. But posting what you would like to do and folks discussing how to help you get the biggest bang for your buck would.

Now how about it?

 

[cakebaker]

... If Disney continues to raise 5 bucks twice a year. that's 200 dollar one day passes in 10 years. Double the price. Now lets say it only happens once a year . That's a 50% increase in that same time. Past performance indicate neither of these scenarios are far fetched. That is just tickets too. Start adding room and food increases and wow!

But we're talking current prices- being priced out of Disney right now vs last year- or at least I am.

You go from talking about 6k vacations to 3 day vacations. Perhaps more information on exactly what it is you do with your vacations in regards to cost and length of stay would be helpful.

But regardless, it's not Disney's concern if you can afford them or not.

 

[flicx]

Earlier you quoted a $6000 vacation. Is that not yours and just what you think it would cost?

Perhaps you CMs post what YOUR budget is and the helpful folks here can make suggestions.

Because sticking with generalities and complaining how it priced you out doesn't help anyone. But posting what you would like to do and folks discussing how to help you get the biggest bang for your buck would.

Now how about it?

Lets do some simple math shall we, in a little over ten years a one day pass has doubled. 52.00 in 2004, 105.00 in 2015. This assumes that there won't a biannual raise this year. That is a huge increase! The 6,000 dollar vacation was what many on these boards quote as average. It is not my vacation number. Thanks for the offer but my close to 35 years of familiarizing myself with Disney has helped me explore the options.

 

[Angel Ariel]

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/disney-parks-disability-access-service-card-fact-sheet/

This is worst then any fp+ change.

But disboard hasn't had million page arguments about this one.

I actually remember quite a few heated discussions about the change to the disability access when it happened. I don't know if they were on the TPAS board or the disabilities section, but I recall the threads happening.

 

[flicx]

But we're talking current prices- being priced out of Disney right now vs last year- or at least I am.

You go from talking about 6k vacations to 3 day vacations. Perhaps more information on exactly what it is you do with your vacations in regards to cost and length of stay would be helpful.

But regardless, it's not Disney's concern if you can afford them or not.

Stay in context of the post. I have never stated that the 6,000 was my vacation. It was to illustrate that if a consumer was paying that, which many on here have stated is true, then they should have good reason to expect an experience above mediocre! You are the one who is twisting things posted and running in different directions not me!

 

[cakebaker]

Stay in context of the post. I have never stated that the 6,000 was my vacation. It was to illustrate that if a consumer was paying that, which many on here have stated is true, then they should have good reason to expect an experience above mediocre! You are the one who is twisting things posted and running in different directions not me!

I really don't know what to tell you. You seem to think Disney should concern themselves with the ability of near poverty level families being about to visit WDW and I don't. It seems as simple as that.

 

[cakebaker]

You have to be careful here. Disney is charging less than the market will bear for its product. If Disney's price point were set exactly at what the market would bear, then it could not raise its prices by even a single dollar more. The latest price increase could have been a dollar higher and we'd still be having this same discussion. Truth is, we have no idea where the breaking point is, other than to know that we haven't hit it yet.

I would think it's assumed that what the market will bear means will bear without a sufficient decrease in attendance that would end up costing more than the price increase would generate.

But I do think they're under priced- for all the grumbling and complaining people are still going in droves. I'm one of those who wouldn't mind seeing prices rise in other areas at WDW. Obviously ticket prices are not a deterrent. I'm in favor of pricing the on site resorts straight up- get rid of the discounts and just put out a price- like they used to do in the old days. If that means I pay more, fine by me.

I don't expect to see that happen. I don't think Disney is going to do a thing that would significantly reduce the number of guests each year.

 

[lauradis]

Stay in context of the post. I have never stated that the 6,000 was my vacation. It was to illustrate that if a consumer was paying that, which many on here have stated is true, then they should have good reason to expect an experience above mediocre! You are the one who is twisting things posted and running in different directions not me!

See we fall in that price group and I have never had a mediocre trip. Some moments have been less then mediocre, but I wouldn't call a whole trip mediocre. I haven't lowered my expectations. I have adjusted my style, my time of year, to fit with the current issues to fix what our family wants out of a Disney trip.

But then again I'm what people on here call the kool aid drinker, happy polly girl.

I really like fp+ they have helped me to slow down and relax at Disney. It has brought back memories of goofing off in line of my younger days and childhood memories of waiting in line with my grandparents.

 

[Laketravis]

It was to illustrate that if a consumer was paying that, which many on here have stated is true, then they should have good reason to expect an experience above mediocre!

Agreed.

You got me looking at some other things while this debate about the vacationing habits of the poor raged. It wasn't too long ago I could go down to the San Antonio Riverwalk on a Friday/Saturday and get a nice king suite with a balcony for $125 a night. Now, it's closer to $225 a night and that doesn't include mandatory $18 a night parking and 16% tax.

To walk around the Riverwalk looking for more places to spend money. Needless to say, we don't go as often as we used to.

Then I started looking at lodging in general. Hotel nights that cost me $150 just a couple of years ago are kissing $300 a night now.

After that, I emailed someone to ask how much refreshments were going to be for a board meeting at a hotel conference room next week. Here's what she told me:

"$59 per dozen for cookies, $82.00 per gallon for coffee and $5.00 per soda."

And if you think that's nuts, ask me how much A/V and internet access is for the afternoon.

My point is that everyone has their hands in the cookie jar right now and the hospitality/entertainment market is no doubt one of the most opportunistic of all. They can smell money from miles away and raise prices in the blink of an eye. Fortunately, they are among the first to smell famine as well and those prices drop like a rock.

Yes, Disney is raising prices. And while those increases are tame in comparison to what's currently happening in the rest of the industry, it certainly does lift expectations as well.


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[MrInfinity]

Stay in context of the post. I have never stated that the 6,000 was my vacation. It was to illustrate that if a consumer was paying that, which many on here have stated is true, then they should have good reason to expect an experience above mediocre! You are the one who is twisting things posted and running in different directions not me!

Our trips are in that ballpark. We have a good reason to expect an experience above mediocre. I'd say "above mediocre" does not do it justice. I expect an awesome time, and not only for me but for my kids and other family too. We have yet to get anything less. It is as cool now as I remember it as a kid, and some things are even way cooler. Seriously if we were not having an awesome time, we wouldn't go. I love that FP+ moved a lot of the "competing" that happened before to a time when I can do it well in advance, plan it out, and optimize it. I was fine w FP- before, I figured it out... but now having FP+, it is just so much better IMO. FP+ really helped streamline a lot of what I felt before was me going to get tickets, always angling to get that next ride. Now after the first ride of our day, we are not jumping to go get the next ticket... we're just enjoying where we are. FP+ helps relax so much by eliminating the need to (aka the "fun of" to a FP- lover) go pull that next ticket.

 

[flicx]

See we fall in that price group and I have never had a mediocre trip. Some moments have been less then mediocre, but I wouldn't call a whole trip mediocre. I haven't lowered my expectations. I have adjusted my style, my time of year, to fit with the current issues to fix what our family wants out of a Disney trip.

But then again I'm what people on here call the kool aid drinker, happy polly girl.

I really like fp+ they have helped me to slow down and relax at Disney. It has brought back memories of goofing off in line of my younger days and childhood memories of waiting in line with my grandparents.

I am happy for you! Glad it has helped you. Many others speak differently. I was just saying in that post when you make vacations cost that much you should not be surprised by elevated expectations.

 

[Planogirl]

I actually remember quite a few heated discussions about the change to the disability access when it happened. I don't know if they were on the TPAS board or the disabilities section, but I recall the threads happening.

Not to mention that at least one lawsuit has been filed. It's frivolous IMO but it shows that some people haven't taken the changes too well.

 

[Planogirl]

Our trips are in that ballpark. We have a good reason to expect an experience above mediocre. I'd say "above mediocre" does not do it justice. I expect an awesome time, and not only for me but for my kids and other family too. We have yet to get anything less. It is as cool now as I remember it as a kid, and some things are even way cooler. Seriously if we were not having an awesome time, we wouldn't go. I love that FP+ moved a lot of the "competing" that happened before to a time when I can do it well in advance, plan it out, and optimize it. I was fine w FP- before, I figured it out... but now having FP+, it is just so much better IMO. FP+ really helped streamline a lot of what I felt before was me going to get tickets, always angling to get that next ride. Now after the first ride of our day, we are not jumping to go get the next ticket... we're just enjoying where we are. FP+ helps relax so much by eliminating the need to (aka the "fun of" to a FP- lover) go pull that next ticket.

Your comments about competing are interesting. I still see FP+ as competing but now it happens online rather than at the parks. The much sought after BOG lunch reservations was certainly in that category!

Also, it's important to keep in mind that FP+ is amazing for YOU (and yes others too) but since we are all different in what we expect from a vacation that won't necessarily be true for everyone. There is no way to ever get everyone on the same page.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lets do some simple math shall we, in a little over ten years a one day pass has doubled. 52.00 in 2004, 105.00 in 2015. This assumes that there won't a biannual raise this year. That is a huge increase! The 6,000 dollar vacation was what many on these boards quote as average. It is not my vacation number. Thanks for the offer but my close to 35 years of familiarizing myself with Disney has helped me explore the options.

I did not ask about increase. I asked about YOUR budget. Plenty people travel on less than a $6000 budget with a variety of family sizes.

Sounds like you don't have an actual issue since you are focusing on generalities that have nothing to do with your personal spending habits.

 

[Planogirl]

I did not ask about increase. I asked about YOUR budget. Plenty people travel on less than a $6000 budget with a variety of family sizes.

Sounds like you don't have an actual issue since you are focusing on generalities that have nothing to do with your personal spending habits.

I can answer for us.

Our wages have been pretty much frozen over the last several years. We have also needed to do home repairs and some medical issues have popped up. Not Disney's fault of course but life in general can make it harder to justify expensive themepark passes. These increases have driven us offsite pretty much completely when it was normal for us to alternate onsite and offsite.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I actually remember quite a few heated discussions about the change to the disability access when it happened. I don't know if they were on the TPAS board or the disabilities section, but I recall the threads happening.

Going on memory, the mods, wisely IMHO, put an immediate stop to general complaining. Discussion for utilization of the program was permitted. Negativity regarding it was not because it is not helpful.

If they did happen, they were short lived due to that restriction. Spelled out in the information post specifically in fact: http://www.disboards.com/threads/wd...pdated-4-25-14-stamps-at-attractions.3178976/
A thread read like this on DAs would have been immediately extinguished.