LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

[Laketravis]

900 for three days
900/3=300 a day
Most parks are open about 12 hrs day
$25.00 hr for a family of three or $8.33 per person.

I don't know about you but you will be hard pressed to find any entertainment venue of Disney size for that price.

Or just slightly more than $33 per FP!

Took DS9 to a matinee to see Annie yesterday. $2 each, $7.50 for a large popcorn with 1 free refill, $5.25 for a large Icee.

Movie was 2 hours long, so $4.19 per person per hour.


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[cakebaker]

Going on memory, the mods, wisely IMHO, put an immediate stop to general complaining. Discussion for utilization of the program was permitted. Negativity regarding it was not because it is not helpful.

Sure would be nice if that could happen with the discussion of FP+!

 

[lauradis]

Your comments about competing are interesting. I still see FP+ as competing but now it happens online rather than at the parks. The much sought after BOG lunch reservations was certainly in that category!

Also, it's important to keep in mind that FP+ is amazing for YOU (and yes others too) but since we are all different in what we expect from a vacation that won't necessarily be true for everyone. There is no way to ever get everyone on the same page.

Which brings us full circle to why would anybody want to go to Disney if they hate FP+ or feel that they dont get the same "bang for their buck" anymore.

If I felt this way, there is no way I would pay $6k and be disappointed.

 

[cakebaker]

Or just slightly more than $33 per FP!


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Tongue planted firmly in cheek I assume? I know you're not seriously suggesting all you get for your money is 3 fp+ per day.

 

[Laketravis]

Which brings us full circle to why would anybody want to go to Disney if they hate FP+ or feel that they dont get the same "bang for their buck" anymore.

If I felt this way, there is no way I would pay $6k and be disappointed.

Because pixie dust is comprised of 43% nicotine, 17% caffeine, and 8% high fructose corn syrup. Very addictive.


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[flicx]

Agreed.

You got me looking at some other things while this debate about the vacationing habits of the poor raged. It wasn't too long ago I could go down to the San Antonio Riverwalk on a Friday/Saturday and get a nice king suite with a balcony for $125 a night. Now, it's closer to $225 a night and that doesn't include mandatory $18 a night parking and 16% tax.

To walk around the Riverwalk looking for more places to spend money. Needless to say, we don't go as often as we used to.

Then I started looking at lodging in general. Hotel nights that cost me $150 just a couple of years ago are kissing $300 a night now.

After that, I emailed someone to ask how much refreshments were going to be for a board meeting at a hotel conference room next week. Here's what she told me:

"$59 per dozen for cookies, $82.00 per gallon for coffee and $5.00 per soda."

And if you think that's nuts, ask me how much A/V and internet access is for the afternoon.

My point is that everyone has their hands in the cookie jar right now and the hospitality/entertainment market is no doubt one of the most opportunistic of all. They can smell money from miles away and raise prices in the blink of an eye. Fortunately, they are among the first to smell famine as well and those prices drop like a rock.

Yes, Disney is raising prices. And while those increases are tame in comparison to what's currently happening in the rest of the industry, it certainly does lift expectations as well.


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Lake I am a realist believe me. I just consider doubling the price every decade as crazy. When you do the added and taken away attraction math in the same period it doesn't add up in my book. I also realize many things have fallen or stayed the same price in a decade or more. For example when I went to Disney in 1985 on my honeymoon airfare was 105.00 round trip for me . Yet I can book multiple times a year for 54.00 roundtrip to Orlando from PA. Yes that's tax included and we pack light so I don't pay baggage fees and parking is free at the airport we use. Gas is another good example for the moment. Although it is seeing an uptick right now the window of gas under 2.00 a gallon was there to take advantage of. With these kind of discounts it obviously makes it clearer how we travel. On a budget. We take shorter trips and go when rates are low on airlines. Now the FP plus which by everything I have read reduces what you can do. The giant preplanning necessary and these non stop increases and taking away the things that make a 3 day excursion worthwhile in addition to costing hundreds more. A budget conscious travel has to take a step back. Especially now with no expiration tickets going away. The tricks to going on a budget are fast evaporating.

 

[lauradis]

Sure would be nice if that could happen with the discussion of FP+!

Impossible, this is a discussion of love/.hate if anyone has changed their minds. etc. Plus disboard gets little crazy in the policing of speech IMHO.

 

[Planogirl]

Which brings us full circle to why would anybody want to go to Disney if they hate FP+ or feel that they dont get the same "bang for their buck" anymore.

If I felt this way, there is no way I would pay $6k and be disappointed.

We go because we like to revisit old favorites. That is really most of it. Not caring for some of the new changes doesn't cause us to dislike favorite rides and shows and restaurants. At least for us the scale still tips to the positive because of these favorites. When it tips the other way, we won't go. As it is we simply spend way less time than we used to.

 

[lauradis]

Because pixie dust is comprised of 43% nicotine, 17% caffeine, and 8% high fructose corn syrup. Very addictive.


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What no vodka mixed in.

 

[Laketravis]

Tongue planted firmly in cheek I assume? I know you're not seriously suggesting all you get for your money is 3 fp+ per day.

Why, I made no suggestion at all! That's the beauty of an ambiguous basis, don't you think? It's open for adaption by anyone in any manner that fits their particular tastes.


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[Laketravis]

What no vodka mixed in.

That's the other 32%. Duh.




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[Lisa loves Pooh]

Impossible, this is a discussion of love/.hate if anyone has changed their minds. etc. Plus disboard gets little crazy in the policing of speech IMHO.

Meh. Would prefer it stick to strategies. Debates are banned elsewhere. And there is a reason. For a strategies board, I wish the focus would be on strategies. This thread just keeps going 'round and 'round.

For DAS, how would permitting debate help anyone. Same here.

But not my board, not my rules.

 

[lauradis]

Lake I am a realist believe me. I just consider doubling the price every decade as crazy. When you do the added and taken away attraction math in the same period it doesn't add up in my book. I also realize many things have fallen or stayed the same price in a decade or more. For example when I went to Disney in 1985 on my honeymoon airfare was 105.00 round trip for me . Yet I can book multiple times a year for 54.00 roundtrip to Orlando from PA. Yes that's tax included and we pack light so I don't pay baggage fees and parking is free at the airport we use. Gas is another good example for the moment. Although it is seeing an uptick right now the window of gas under 2.00 a gallon was there to take advantage of. With these kind of discounts it obviously makes it clearer how we travel. On a budget. We take shorter trips and go when rates are low on airlines. Now the FP plus which by everything I have read reduces what you can do. The giant preplanning necessary and these non stop increases and taking away the things that make a 3 day excursion worthwhile in addition to costing hundreds more. A budget conscious travel has to take a step back. Especially now with no expiration tickets going away. The tricks to going on a budget are fast evaporating.

Because Disney wants you to come down and stay onsite for min of 6 night 5 days with the dinning plan and hoppers. That is their sweet spot.

Think of all the advertising you see for Disney. Heck they will even pick you up from the air port and bus you to the parks non stop.

FP+ is nothing more then crowd control. Not how many rides a guest can get done. It limits it to push you into stores and food venues. Disney makes to much money on food and china made crap. rides and shows are to get you into the parks.

 

[Laketravis]

Lake I am a realist believe me. I just consider doubling the price every decade as crazy. When you do the added and taken away attraction math in the same period it doesn't add up in my book.....

I hear ya. But the problem isn't that Disney has doubled prices every decade, it's that people are willing to pay twice as much every decade. At some point a threshold will be reached. Apparently we aren't there yet - or maybe we are, we don't know what effect the current increase will have over the coming months. I also agree with you that as prices are increased, so are expectations. So if people are grumbling now about FP's and dirty bathrooms and being turned away because they were 1 minute late, those complaints will only get louder as the price to experience them goes higher.

The tricks to going on a budget are fast evaporating.

I think it depends on how much cushion one has to start with. I realize that what my family is doing won't work for everyone simply because not everyone can spend as much time "vacationing" as we can, but we started with a lot of fat that could be trimmed.

Disney also appears to follow a diminished value philosophy - that is, we will never see them lower prices. What we will see instead are discounts that can be totally elastic in order to preserve the pricing integrity.


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[flicx]

I did not ask about increase. I asked about YOUR budget. Plenty people travel on less than a $6000 budget with a variety of family sizes.

Sounds like you don't have an actual issue since you are focusing on generalities that have nothing to do with your personal spending habits.

The increase quote was for another poster. If you read my post I said no thank you to the budget help.

 

[flicx]

Because Disney wants you to come down and stay onsite for min of 6 night 5 days with the dinning plan and hoppers. That is their sweet spot.

Think of all the advertising you see for Disney. Heck they will even pick you up from the air port and bus you to the parks non stop.

FP+ is nothing more then crowd control. Not how many rides a guest can get done. It limits it to push you into stores and food venues. Disney makes to much money on food and china made crap. rides and shows are to get you into the parks.

I totally understand what Disney wants. That doesn't mean they will get it. By many of the reports from reputable sources fast pass plus has added to waits considerably. Slightly less waits on headliners, which you get one of thanks to tiering and considerably more on non headliners. That is a net loss in my book. Less attraction experiences equals more cost in my opinion. To a short stay traveler like me that drops value even more.

 

[cakebaker]

"So if people are grumbling now about FP's and dirty bathrooms and being turned away because they were 1 minute late, those complaints will only get louder as the price to experience them goes higher."

Ah yes, another wait till prediction. Surely one of these days, one of them will prove to be true.

For clarification on that 1 minute late- before that story gets turned into people being turned away for being a minute late to SDMT- It was for a show, not a ride attraction. Shows have specific seating availability. When you choose to show up late, you risk not having a seat. If the theatre is full, it's full. No story there except the person had the bad luck to be the person arriving after the last seat was filled.

 

[Laketravis]

I totally understand what Disney wants. That doesn't mean they will get it. By many of the reports from reputable sources fast pass plus has added to waits considerably. Slightly less waits on headliners, which you get one of thanks to tiering and considerably more on non headliners. That is a net loss in my book. Less attraction experiences equals more cost in my opinion. To a short stay traveler like me that drops value even more.

So the question becomes will the majority of guests be satisfied with 3 FP's and the rest of the experience they are provided at the price they are currently required to pay. Would be easier to answer that question if the price increase had come with an increase in the number of FP's provided, or a removal of tiers, or.............


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[cakebaker]

Now the FP plus which by everything I have read reduces what you can do.

You haven't actually visited since fp+ began? This is all predicated on no actual experience with the system?

 

[MrInfinity]

Meh. Would prefer it stick to strategies. Debates are banned elsewhere. And there is a reason. For a strategies board, I wish the focus would be on strategies. This thread just keeps going 'round and 'round.

It will always go round and round, just cuz there will always be a new "just wait until". Like someone else said... First it was wait until they rolled it out at all the resorts. Then wait until FP- is taken away. Then wait till offsiters get it. And AP'ers get it. What? Crowds are STILL increasing? Ok... then... just wait until the ramifications of those who have stopped going fully sets in. Then when they're replaced, it's wait until the supply of replacements runs out. You can always claim it's destined to fail. Yet crowds keep going up, and it's never because FP+ is working. It's because the economy is recovering. Or Disney is lying on its reports to cover up the failure. Or customers don't know better. Or customers have a lower tolerance for a quality experience. Or they got lost on the way to Universal and ended up at Disney... and when asked about Harry Potter, they were told by an unfriendly CM to go wait in the kiosk line.

Can I book my ADRs yet?