Losing faith in humanity

[princess124]

Again totally not Disney related but people like this get me LIVID. I am a HUGE animal lover and I love pitbulls. It angers me till no end that irresponsible owners can treat these pitbulls like killers. Like I've said and will always be saying...all dogs should be kept on a leash no matter how big or small they are.

 

[bakenatj]

most people I know that do not believe in a higher being have better morals than those I know who do believe in a higher being. Many of the Founding Fathers did not believe in a higher being.

Its an entitlement mentality that has nothing to do with religious beliefs. If you teach your children, by word or action, that they are more special than others then you end up with a society of brats. I think a lot comes from attempts to improve self esteem. Everyone was told they were special and they believed it. So great, they have wonderful self esteem but can't understand why they have to wait in line like the normal people

I don't disagree that people who don't believe that there is a higher being can't be an outstanding citizen. I'm sure there are many. And I agree that a majority of those who claim to be religious are not what they should be.

I believe that we all must be humble, meek, kind, compassionate and loving to ALL people. It is very hard because its not our nature, but it can be done.

I don't feel that beliefs should be forced upon anyone, if that be a belief in a higher being or not. We should all live our lives as an example that would cause others to be drawn to it. My two cents.

 

[kamik86]

This is probably the only answer. And sadly, this means that you have to take time out of your vacation.

I will say, OP, that you ought to contact guest services - wdw.guest.communications@disneyworld.com - and share your story. Perhaps a flood of these tales might help.

I agree which is one place I have an advantage in that I can go often enough that taking an hour out of my vacation to do something that may make the parks better is perfectly ok with me.

When I have kids I would be likely to send DH on with my child to continue to play and I could continue this fight... Until those that follow the rules force disney to do something about the rule breakers they just wont'.

 

[bakenatj]

Sorry for getting a little off topic with my last two comments.

I think the OP handled the situation very well. An example that I'm sure that man will remember for a long time and hopefully will influence him for the better.

I have a hard time myself with those who blatantly have disregard for others and I hope that if I am put in a similar situation in my up coming trip I have the grace to handle it in the same manner as you.

 

[PebblesMom]

I think that there are a multitude of reasons why people are entitled! I think part of the problem is that in corp. America the customer is ALWAYS right. I had an instance at my job a few years back where a customer came in and wanted to refund a half bottle of liquor he said tasted bad and wanted to purchase a different kind. It is against company policy to refund liquor and it against the law to sell on Sunday, so I explained all of this to him. At that point he started yelling and throwing everything he could get his hands on. Someone called 911 and the police came and saw that this man was out of control and asked him to leave.
Come Monday morning his wife called our district manager to complain that we refused to help her husband. She was not even there. The solution was to send her a $25.00 gift card for the situation. Other employees and customers witnessed this and told him that this man was out of control and he said it was worth the $25.00 to difuse the situation and just put it behind us!!!!

 

[CentralFloridian99]

I had a similar expirence with food, but it was on POTC. These fat idiots (keeping it PG) get up to the boat, and the CM says to them "Sorry, your ice cream can't go on the boat. You can step to the side and finish it or throw it out." How they even got that far with food was beyond me, until I saw them do something. They pretended to throw it out, but the hid it and got on the boat with it. As one of them was eating, the drop came. Wow. Do you know how dangerous that could be? It disgusted me

 

[Coachymom]

So sorry that happened to you! Don't let these incidents discourage you from enjoying your next trip.

We are from the east coast...New York actually (WHAT! WHAT!), lol.

I have a very loud mouth and a very large husband. I am also a teacher. I don't keep quiet when people are being rude to others or to my family. I use the oppurtunity to let the person know they are fifty shades of wrong and then use the incident as a teaching moment for my children.

I already have anxiety about crowds, so I am already on edge to begin with.

A fun side note...this coming trip is with my parents. My dad is like me...but a million times worse. I may be able to relax a bit this trip because I know he will let rude people know the deal.

 

[Julie711]

I would have hoped that the cast member taking the order would have intervened and asked him to get in line.

Thats the same thing I was thinking.. Such rude people , I wouldnt have been so nice and made the cast member or security get him out of line, so good job keeping you cool!

 

[PoohsFan1]

I don't understand it either..I see line cutters ejected from other themeparks/amusement parks ..When I worked for Six Flags, we didn't put up with it, and Hershey park doesn't either. I went to Universal and was so pleasantly surprised to see that not only are they aware of the lines, they STOP line cutters.I saw it 3 occasions when I was at Universal in January where an entire tour group tried to cut the HULK line and the Universal employees were ALL over it.Same thing at Spiderman and Forbidden Journey only it was individuals at FJ that were trying to cut.IF other themeparks can address it, so can Disney.They choose not to

I remember back in the day when I used to go to Six Flags they would have signs everywhere stating that if anyone is found cutting in line, they will be immediately ejected from the park. I would love for Disney to have some of these signs up.

OP, I am so sorry this had happened to you on your trip, I am not one to get into a confrontation, in fact I try to avoid it. However, I would be marching back to Guest Services letting them know what had happened and how things were handled. Behavior like this should be told about rather than go unnoticed.

 

[Cibahwewah]

The NY/East Coast thing may have been a joke, but cliches/stereotypes have a grain of truth in them. If someone is snooty and rude, "how French!". Loud and rude "how Joisey!" Clueless and stoned--"how Californian!" Nice to your face, mean later-- now that's "southern". Of course regional stereotypes don't fit one hundred percent of the population...but put on your big girl pants, have a laugh and move on to the next post.

 

[disneychic2]

I would have hoped that the cast member taking the order would have intervened and asked him to get in line.

That was my first thought as well, but as I read the rest of the posts, I can see where it is Disney's policy to be as non-confrontational as possible. I guess it's a matter of making one set of guests angry while keeping the rude guest happy.

We will be there in a few weeks and there will not be anyone cutting in front of me without a confrontation. I am tired of the people who feel they deserve it more than you and others. It stops in 2 weeks! Haha

Good luck!!!

When a society doesn't have a higher being that they feel they have to answer to, then the foundation of similar morality is not there. This causes an individualism type mentality that has no boundaries.

We have no one to blame but ourselves for allowing the decay of society because we allow those with the agenda to remove that moral standard from governing us.

How do we stop it? Put our trust back where it belongs. If not, chaos will inevitably follow.

There is definitely an individualism mentality in the world...both Disney and otherwise. I try, as corny as it sounds, to treat others the way I would like to be treated.

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!

They also believe they have the right to get all-up-in-the-face of the line cutters because they were right and Played By The Rules and DID stand in line, so now they can righteously be snarky to the Naughty People.

I'm not really understanding your point here. Almost everyone replying to this post has advocated standing your ground, not allowing line cutters etc. because you took the time to wait your turn. Are you saying if you're a person of faith, you have no right to object to line cutters? I'm not trying to be snarky, I truly would like to understand your comment.

Parade squatters can be a big headache. There's no answer except to be positioned right at the rope or curb and don't leave your spot.

People operating strollers and ECVs shouldn't be automatically labeled as operating their equipment aggressively. You admit it's hard for you to stop suddenly if someone in front of you stops unexpectedly. Some goes for someone with a stroller or ECV. Only, they take an extra moment to stop, because they carry an item of weight. Sure, we've all read about the rare jerks. The rest of them, visitors just like you, who are just trying to mind their business and navigate the crowds, are only accidentally touching someone. Blame it on crowded conditions, not bad intentions.

I would not lose your faith in humanity. If crowded times are the only times you can visit WDW, concentrate on the great memories of your vacation and accept that people are going to be bumping into one another. The line cutters and parade squatters, know it's going to happen (unfortunately). Defend yourself if possible, but be ready to lose the game. That's what it is to these people, after all -- a game.

I agree with most of what you said! Especially about losing faith in humanity.

But I really don't think anyone was "labeling" all stroller pushers or ECV drivers as being aggressive. Just relating several of her own experiences. If you sit and people watch, you'll see people pushing strollers like a steam roller, not caring who or what is in front of them. Same with ECV users. You'll also see the opposite. We've all had people stop dead in their tracks to check their map or gawk at something or correct a child, what have you. Whether you're walking, riding, pushing or otherwise moving forward, it's a pain in the tookus!
I just didn't want you to feel that ECV users were being singled out since I don't think that was the intent.


The way I see it, some people will always be rude and pushy. Much as we wish it were otherwise. We can't control the behavior, but we can control how we react to it. The OP went on to have a fabulous vacation in spite of that idiot who cut in line. The guy doing the cutting was probably not happy his entire trip. I'd rather be the OP!

 

[Sorsha]

So sorry that happened to you! Don't let these incidents discourage you from enjoying your next trip.

We are from the east coast...New York actually (WHAT! WHAT!), lol.

I have a very loud mouth and a very large husband. I am also a teacher. I don't keep quiet when people are being rude to others or to my family. I use the oppurtunity to let the person know they are fifty shades of wrong and then use the incident as a teaching moment for my children.

Ok, all fine and good. But what are you teaching them, really?

You are teaching them that if someone is rude to them, but not in a way that really matters - i.e. they aren't being bullied, nothing illegal is happening, no one is being hurt or threatened - that the appropriate response is to get in their face and be just as rude back to them by "standing up for yourself". Loudly. In short, reinforcing the "East Coast" stereotype.

Wouldn't it be better to say to your children, "Yes, that man just cut in front of us, but in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter. We will just get the third row of seats instead of the second. It was rude but we are still having fun." If you say it loud enough so he overhears, maybe he will feel ashamed, maybe not. But you have taught your children to stay dignified and hold themselves to a higher standard.

 

[Sorsha]

I'm not really understanding your point here. Almost everyone replying to this post has advocated standing your ground, not allowing line cutters etc. because you took the time to wait your turn. Are you saying if you're a person of faith, you have no right to object to line cutters? I'm not trying to be snarky, I truly would like to understand your comment.

Oh no no no. It has nothing to do with being a Person of Faith.

I just fail to understand how people who have otherwise played by the rules, stood in line, etc, can feel it is OK to almost get a reverse-entitlement thing going on.

It's like, "well I did things the right way, so now I have the right to get in his face and be rude or physically push him back because I am Right and he is Wrong."

Keep your dignity, keep your temper, and hold yourself to a higher standard regardless of faith or anything else.

 

[Sorsha]

When we went to the MSEP and Wishes there was a gang of adults looking out for each other and the kids, but of course some lady shoved her kids through us to put them in front of the kids that had been waiting. And then while they're sitting there she handed them nachos and popcorn, telling them they better eat it during the parade. She was even dumping popcorn all over the little kids who weren't hers. But I don't blame her kids and I didn't demand they move, I just told them, "please be careful with your food so you don't get it on other people!" and they were happy to comply.

The problem is the brainless/entitled parents and I really can't do anything about them other than start a fight I don't want to finish while I'm enjoying my vacation.

This is just my point! You handled it perfectly! No sense sinking to the level of the brainless ones and engaging them. You were polite and kind and everyone enjoyed the end of their day, especially the children. And isn't that what really matters?

 

[si-am]

Ok, all fine and good. But what are you teaching them, really?

You are teaching them that if someone is rude to them, but not in a way that really matters - i.e. they aren't being bullied, nothing illegal is happening, no one is being hurt or threatened - that the appropriate response is to get in their face and be just as rude back to them by "standing up for yourself". Loudly. In short, reinforcing the "East Coast" stereotype.

Wouldn't it be better to say to your children, "Yes, that man just cut in front of us, but in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter. We will just get the third row of seats instead of the second. It was rude but we are still having fun." If you say it loud enough so he overhears, maybe he will feel ashamed, maybe not. But you have taught your children to stay dignified and hold themselves to a higher standard.

I don't know. I would like to teach them that they don't have to be doormats and accept 3rd row when they were in line to have 2nd. Sometimes you just have to stand up for yourself. That doesn't mean you have to get in a fistfight over it.

 

[Planogirl]

I see this as mostly Disney's fault. I understand that they want to please but why have rules if you have no intention of enforcing them? Plus they just end up angering the people who were treated rudely.

 

[DisneyMim]

I usually just let line cutters go. If they are in that much of a hurry I don't want them behind me anyway. One of the funniest things we experienced was years ago in the Little Mermaid. My kids were still little then and this lady pushed her way in front of us and dragged her whole family. Her kids were about the same age as mine. My kids looked at me and I just said "let them go they probably have never seen this and we're here all the time". Well, karma got them because they continued to push their way and did what they wanted, they got in ahead of everyone. The problem was the CM made them move all the way down the row. My family walked in and got great seats right in the middle. I actually smiled at the lady and she just glared at me. Ha Ha to her!!

Enjoy The Magic!!

 

[kamik86]

Ok, all fine and good. But what are you teaching them, really?

You are teaching them that if someone is rude to them, but not in a way that really matters - i.e. they aren't being bullied, nothing illegal is happening, no one is being hurt or threatened - that the appropriate response is to get in their face and be just as rude back to them by "standing up for yourself". Loudly. In short, reinforcing the "East Coast" stereotype.

Wouldn't it be better to say to your children, "Yes, that man just cut in front of us, but in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter. We will just get the third row of seats instead of the second. It was rude but we are still having fun." If you say it loud enough so he overhears, maybe he will feel ashamed, maybe not. But you have taught your children to stay dignified and hold themselves to a higher standard.

Maybe its because I'm from the east coast but you know what I don't want my (hypothetical) children to decide it doesn't matter. I definitely don't want them to be so passive aggressive to bring something up to their children saying something was rude loudly enough for the person to hear but not be willing to say something to the person that was rude. I would want them to say something politely but firmly to both the guest and person in charge. I would want them learn to stand their ground and help to make the park a better place for themselves and others by not letting people get away with such behavior.

I would definitely not want them to learn as so many are that being rude gets you what you want. That is why its getting worse. Because some will have enough of everyone else being rude and getting away with it and getting better treatment for being rude so they will start being rude too.

I have no problem teaching my children to be rude to people that are rude to them. Just like my parents had no problem teaching me that if someone starts a fight they are ok with me finishing it. (I actually didn't hit someone back in 6th grade that hit me because the school had a tendency of suspending both fighters no matter what. My father was actually quite upset with me for that one.)

 

[mom2rtk]

I see this as mostly Disney's fault. I understand that they want to please but why have rules if you have no intention of enforcing them? Plus they just end up angering the people who were treated rudely.

...........and further emboldening the line cutters for next time.

 

[jenlov]

It all comes down to selfishness. It's really sad that these people are like this and are teaching it to their children. They want what they want and want it now and will do anything to get it. They're thinking of themselves and no one else. What a sad place to be.

I think the OP handled it pretty well. I'd like to say I would have done the same, but odds are I probably would have been to shy to say a thing. Really, that's the only place to find food for his 4 hungry kids? in all of MK?