Losing faith in humanity

[Pixiedust34]

Disney should do a better job at stopping line cutters.

Unfortunately, I think signs of "It's all about me" are happening everywhere, not just at WDW.

 

[ttintagel]

The problem was that the CM in that merge position is alone and has no phone to call for security or the manager. The CMs were basically told to use "their best judgment" but to avoid leaving their actual post to get to a phone to call for help. And when it is bad enough to leave their post and call for back up, it seldom arrives in a timely basis and if it does, nothing happens to the badly behaving guest.

It's the same in all service jobs nowadays. Stingy corporations will only staff to a skeleton crew, and then wonder why they get complaints. I remember during my retail days, you knew that it would be at LEAST half an hour for a manager to respond to a call. And I was twice slapped by customers. If we continue with these crackpot theories about never disciplining children, and teaching our children that they don't have to do what people in charge tell them, we're going to end up as a society that simply can't be in groups together.

 

[maxiesmom]

Disney should do a better job at stopping line cutters.

Unfortunately, I think signs of "It's all about me" are happening everywhere, not just at WDW.

I think part of the problem is that you have so many really young kids at WDW. Some of who are just learning how to potty. If they had a set rule that there was no line cutting, then Disney would have tons of irate parents, complaining that their little one couldn't hold it, and how it was unfair they couldn't cut in line. And how do you say it is ok for them, but not ok for anyone else?

If Disney had a set in stone rule like Cedar Point, then you would have many many posts on how mean Disney is, and how un family-friendly their policies are.

 

[goofy4tink]

I would have hoped that the cast member taking the order would have intervened and asked him to get in line.

The line cutting at WDW is out of control. They do nothing about it, which is why it is out of control.

The people who cut will push, shove and do whatever they want in order to cut...and Disney lets them. The official line from Disney management is, "We cannot control guest behavior."

I keep waiting for someone to file a lawsuit.

I really wish the CMs would step up to the plate and stop rewarding bad behaviour!! Drives me nutty....there is no reason to act responsibly at WDW anymore. If you are the biggest, the rudest, then you get what you want with no concern for those who have waited patiently!!!
I have more experiences with rude, nasty people in WDW than in any other place I've been. They know that the CMs are going to try and prevent a 'situation', so these people push the bounderies..and usually get exactly what they want.

Did he have an East coast accent?

The vast majority of rude people I have run into haven't had east coast accents..but since I'm an east coaster, I probably didn't notice. Then again....I'm a pretty well behaved east coaster, with decent manners.

I think you did the right thing. And that you were even so nice to say a prayer for that man and his family says a lot about you.

But what else pops into my mind is that we are all teaching these people that the world revolves around them at a young age. There are so many posts about how Disney is for kids, or how can you can't expect a kid to behave and have manners while they are at WDW. They are taught early on that bad behavior is fine, so they end up rude adults.

Yep....I remember the last midday parade at MK my dd and I watched. She was probably about 12 or so. The parade at that time had artists on tricycles, drawing stuff and then handing it to kids along the parade route. Well...there we stood, in front of the Emporium, with an open space next to us, roped off, to allow people to cross Main St. Well....just as the biking artist rode over to my dd and had her hand out to give her the drawing, a mother swooped in from behind us, grabbed the drawing and ran off!!! The artist just sat there in disbelief!! And my dd was stunned. But, she turned to me and said..'Well, I guess that lady really needed that drawing more than I did. What a rude person.'

Or, the people that continually arrive for the parade about 5 mins before it's due to come and want to put their kids in front of you...after all, Disney is all about the kids right??? And you, as a grown up and your teenaged child won't mind having my kids stand in front of you, right??? Ah, no...we would, in fact, mind a lot. We got there, and waited for 45 mins!!! I have actually moved aside, in the past, to allow a youngster to watch in front of me, only to have that child joined by her entire family of 10!!! Now, I can't see, even though I sat in that spot, for close to an hour in order to get a good spot to take photos of MSEP!!

Oh, the list goes on and on. We need to teach our kids that they are not the center of the universe..that there are other people out there. But, people keep allowing rude behaviour to happen. I refuse to let people move in front of me in line. If it's just one person, then fine. But two teenaged boys? Nope, not happening. If more than one person in your group has to step out of line for some reason, then you all need to move aside and allow the line to move along. When the people who left get back to you, you can then rejoin the line.

 

[andyman8]

Although I also get fed up with these ********, I have not really "lost faith in humanity." I've had experiences with people who are rude, annoying, unfair, and stupid. Your only really option is, as previously stated, getting the rest of the people in line involved and, in essence, "forcing" the CM to do something. Trust me there have been many times when I've wanted to deck someone, but the "rallying" approach works wonders.

While many people do obnoxious things, at the same time, there are some risking their lives to fight for America and spending time helping the people in Haiti. Even something small like the DIS: 400,592 people taking time out of their day to help each other. Don't loose faith quite yet because for one "annoying" person, there are ten "kind" people.

 

[mesaboy2]

While many people do obnoxious things, at the same time, there are some risking their lives to fight for America and spending time helping the people in Haiti. Even something small like the DIS: 400,592 people taking time out of their day to help each other. Don't loose faith quite yet because for one "annoying" person, there are ten "kind" people.

I agree. The kind ones don't get noticed because their behavior is expected, as it should be.

 

[stevenpensacola]

On occasion I've witnessed a small group of early teens slowly working their way through the que line. From the look in their eyes, you can tell they're not trying to catch up with mama, but are knowingly, methodically, just cutting through the line.

Was in Space Mountain...we're about halfway through the mountain...been waiting awhile...when I spot them...when they were still several families back, I placed one hand on each handrail and waited (I'm 6' 4" by the way).

I'm casually looking about and notice they are now behind me...I just stand there, acting unaware that they are behind me. One of them finally taps me on the shoulder...I look down at him...he nods (without looking me in the eye) indicating he want to get by.

I (nicely) inform him that I've been waiting in this line for 30 minutes, and that he can also. I told him that I'd been watching them, and that they were not getting past me. Well, they retreated back a few families...and you could see them scheming, trying to find a way around the road block. By this time, I had positioned my wife and kids across the aisle as well, so we had a double wall of defense.

A few other folks felt emboldened by someone else speaking up, and also questioned them on how they happened to suddenly appear in line in front of them.

They finally tucked tail and skulked their way back out of the line, and, I'm sure, found another line to go cut their way through.

I'm sympathetic for someone who really has to "go", but you should have gone before you got in line...and if you're "trying to catch up with my family", your family should have waited outside for you so you can get in line TOGETHER.

 

[Ginny Favers]

I was just telling a friend that it seems like people are never just nice to you for the sake of being nice. The only people who are nice, these days, want something from me, be it my money or my time.

And I realized how jaded I am, that if someone WAS nice to me for the sake of being nice, I would be suspicious.

So I suppose that's the way we're all headed. Inconsiderate, suspicious of one another, and only out for ourselves.

How do we make it stop?

 

[Mousemommy1]

East Coaster here.

And FWIW, this is the perfect opportunity to teach life lessons to your children. We show them that this is not the way to act. We have very well-mannered "east coast" kids, and actually last year, we had scoped out a sidewalk to sit on for the MSEP a good hour and a half prior to parade time. Well, wouldn't you know, a woman and her family STOOD in front of us, with stroller and all. I honestly couldn't believe it and considered how to deal with the situation...well, I didn't have to...my oldest DD loudly said to me that that family was not using good manners....My immediate response was "well, some people don't have good parents to teach them manners" (almost equally as loud)...the lady heard, looked at us, and moved her family to another spot. Situation resolved.
So, I just bring my "manners Police" with me.

 

[java]

We were quietly waiting alone for a monorail when That family arrived. They pushed by us all loudly and rudely talking about how They were going to ride up front on the monorail. We quietly waited and when the monorail came the CM wouldn't open the gate. She called us forward, told the others to step aside, and led us to the front car! ( back when they did that)

It was beautiful! My kids also learned that being polite can pay off.

 

[mom2rtk]

I commend the OP for their self-restraint. I probably would have gone one step further though, and interrupted the guy when he started ordering and looked straight at the CM and said "I believe I was next".

 

[jvattes]

I'm about to order, and this scumbag (sorry, gotta keep it PG) walks right in front of me to the counter and starts ordering. I try to keep my cool and politely say to him "Excuse me sir, the line is back there" (pointing to the line spiraling out the door). He says "I know where the line is, but I've got four hungry kids and I ain't about to wait in line." To which I respond, well my two kids are hungry also and we've already waited in line and I'm sure everyone else in line would appreciate if you waited your turn also. He just shot me a look and proceeded to order. It took all I had not to ask for WDW security to be called, but I resisted and let the guy do what he had to do.

I am shocked at this person's behavior. But I'm more confused by the fact that the CM took his order rather than directing him back to the end of the line. If that is, in fact, what happened, I am more upset about that. And I sure would have spoken to someone about it - right then and there at best, or at Guest Services later in the day if necessary. And I'd have taken full notice of the CM's name.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Had something similar happen to me at Splash Mountain while waiting for an FP return time. Got to the ride at 12:55 for 1pm FP time and see a line and I ask the CM about it and she said it is the line for 1pm return time. I take my family and to wait at the end of the line . At 1pm the CM calls us forward and as we move closer to the entrance, two teenage girls dont feel they need to wait in line and try to start to go in front of my family. I am 6'3 and I see them coming so i just step in front of the entrance and have my wife and DD and her friend go in front of me. Heard the girls mumbling but they were mumbling behind me and not in front.

Worse incident I have had with line cutting was at the Cancun airport where a group of teens thought they didnt have to wait in line to board the plane and 2 of them try to cut in front of me acting like the couple in front of me were their parents. My DD was 8 at the time. The plane had already been delayed for 5 hours and FINALLY ready to be boarded so i was at my rope's end. I tell them that that this aint happening. One of the teen boys gets out of line in front of me and moves back, the other one started cussing at me and asking who the F do I think I am. My DW starts distracting my DD. I told him that I was the person who he wasnt going to get in front of. He tells me to F off and will not look at me in the eye while I am giving him a dead stare. He sees that I am not messing around and cusses some more and moves to the back of the line. My DW had visions of me going to a mexican jail at this point if it were to escalate. I am in disbelief that a 17 or 18 yr old teenager would talk to a grown man like that.

But one encouraging thing I did see was at Earl of Sandwich I was holding the door open for my family and another family comes in behind us and I hold the door for them. They were a family of 5 with 3 smaller kids. Once they get inside, the kids start moving to the line and the dad motions for us to go ahead of them because I held the door for them. Most people wouldnt have done this nor do I expect it but it was definitely a breath of fresh air.

 

[Jennasis]

I assume the East Coast accent thing was a joke.

And I haven't ever been cut in front of at WDW. I'm not saying it hasn;t tried to happen...but it hasn't successfully happened. And it never will.

 

[goofy4tink]

I was just telling a friend that it seems like people are never just nice to you for the sake of being nice. The only people who are nice, these days, want something from me, be it my money or my time.

And I realized how jaded I am, that if someone WAS nice to me for the sake of being nice, I would be suspicious.

So I suppose that's the way we're all headed. Inconsiderate, suspicious of one another, and only out for ourselves.

How do we make it stop?

OH, there are plenty of wonderful, nice people out there. On our first time ever at WDW, we arrived for the MSEP...took a spot in front of the Guest Services area. My mom sat up against a tree...that is no longer there by the way. Dd, then almost 6, plopped down beside her. I had told her she could stand up when the parade started. Well...there was an older couple sitting on the curb in front of us...the woman turned and asked if my dd could sit up with them!!! So nice of them.
I have had many nice things happen at WDW. It just seems that those that are self-centered and nasty get the most attention. I try to ignore it and move on. Nice people are out there...even in WDW.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

East Coaster here.

And FWIW, this is the perfect opportunity to teach life lessons to your children. We show them that this is not the way to act. We have very well-mannered "east coast" kids, and actually last year, we had scoped out a sidewalk to sit on for the MSEP a good hour and a half prior to parade time. Well, wouldn't you know, a woman and her family STOOD in front of us, with stroller and all. I honestly couldn't believe it and considered how to deal with the situation...well, I didn't have to...my oldest DD loudly said to me that that family was not using good manners....My immediate response was "well, some people don't have good parents to teach them manners" (almost equally as loud)...the lady heard, looked at us, and moved her family to another spot. Situation resolved.
So, I just bring my "manners Police" with me.

Well done Mommy1 !!!!

 

[hsmamato2]

Again totally not Disney related but people like this get me LIVID. I am a HUGE animal lover and I love pitbulls. It angers me till no end that irresponsible owners can treat these pitbulls like killers. Like I've said and will always be saying...all dogs should be kept on a leash no matter how big or small they are.

for a dog attack like that I would call the police and animal control,and sue that guy.no joke- line cutters I tend to ignore mostly,but the dog story is scary...And I like pitties for the most part....

Oh, I do lots of annoying things to people who stand in front of me at parades,etc.... like the time some rude lady shoved in front of my kid to video something,(she refused to budge)so I kept up an annoying commentary on how "cool" the parade was,to "enhance" her video! I know she was happy she pushed in front of me when she got home and replayed that video.....

 

[TDC Nala]

HIS kids are hungry, so he shouldn't have to wait in line. These aren't the "Disney is for kids" people, these are the "Disney is for MY kids" people.

Like nobody else in the line has hungry kids. I bet if his kids want to ride Dumbo he's going to push right to the front because his kids want to ride. I'm too old to think much about the Black Eyed Peas but I do call it the Veruca Salt syndrome. Although Veruca's dad was at least trying to be apologetic, these days he'd just shove people aside.

Security should have been called on him. But Disney appears to have a policy. Do not confront a guest, unless they are being violent or disturbing the peace. Cutting in line doesn't reach that level for them.

 

[hsmamato2]

of course,I'm not saying I don't mind it.... but I tend to ignore it if it's not easily stopped,aka the stupid kids trying get ahead in a long line (they're easy to stop) I look at it more like ignoring the fools is a better way to enjoy my own vacation.....though in OP's story,I think I would have probably reported to guest services,as this was pretty flagrant.....people tring to sneak around corners,etc is standard, pushing and yelling is just...ugh. But the good def. outweighs the bad.....

 

[bakenatj]

I was just telling a friend that it seems like people are never just nice to you for the sake of being nice. The only people who are nice, these days, want something from me, be it my money or my time.

And I realized how jaded I am, that if someone WAS nice to me for the sake of being nice, I would be suspicious.

So I suppose that's the way we're all headed. Inconsiderate, suspicious of one another, and only out for ourselves.

How do we make it stop?

When a society doesn't have a higher being that they feel they have to answer to, then the foundation of similar morality is not there. This causes an individualism type mentality that has no boundaries.

We have no one to blame but ourselves for allowing the decay of society because we allow those with the agenda to remove that moral standard from governing us.

How do we stop it? Put our trust back where it belongs. If not, chaos will inevitably follow.