JonBenet Ramsey - a question for those who follow this story

[Sandy Cross]

I believe all people should form their own opinions and there is nothing wrong with coming to different conclusions...my problem with your posts are the information that has been disproved that you post as gospel and the fact you are referencing almost exclusively one documentary that had one goal...to prove Burke did it. You are also posting theories that are extremely unlikely (ie public bathroom dna on her clothes). I don't know for sure nobody in the house did it any more than you know an intruder didn't do it, but IMO the facts don't add up to a cover up from reading alot of information. I'm not basing it off of one documentary. Nothing mythical about a possible intruder.

Both theories have a lot of possibilities and there is evidence that could go either way I just think there is more evidence that points to an accidental killing. I mean even if it was Burke who hit Jon Benet with the flashlight I don't think he meant for her to die. I think John and Patsy were blindsided when they found Jon Benet dead and knew their little boy was responsible. They knew they lost Jon Benet and now they would lose Burke too they went into protection mode and covered up the accidental killing so far that's my opinion on what may have happened.

 

[sunshinehighway]

You see that's your opinion and I'm not saying either one of us is right or wrong. I know back in 1996 DNA testing was not as advanced as it is today but there were crime shows back then that did talk of DNA testing and if and I'm saying if there was a cover up that would be something to be considered. I do respect everyone's opinion and my opinion is not set in stone I am willing to change my mind and consider every possibility. I would love to hear new theories.

I don't think you understand how discussions and opinions work.
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion but that doesn't mean it is in any way valid or reasonable. See, that's a big problem. People think they can just say " well that's my opinion" and somehow that magically means others have to take what they are saying to have some merit.
I respect the fact that you, as a person, can form your own opinion and think what you want. I do not think you have to agree with me. Respecting the fact that you can have your own opinion does not mean I have to take seriously the nonsense you are posting. It has no basis in reality and saying it's your opinion doesn't magically give it any.

 

[Sandy Cross]

The fact that your posts are riddled with tons of exclamation points really comes across as unhinged. I'm sure you aren't and that is not how you are writing it, but it comes across as such.

Not sure why you are getting so upset that people don't agree with you. The responses on the thread may have been a bit snarky, but you really think this is bullying? Is this the first message board you have been on because this one is childs play compared to so many of them out there.

As someone previously mentioned, some of your arguments are so far out in left field they are laughable. It's hart to argue with something like that. I mean, seriously.....you thing JR ran out to a public restroom and magically managed to only get DNA from one person and then came home and planted it? I just............you really can't argue it.

Also, the quotes of the movies in the letter. Someone had asked what movies they were from. Do you know? Is there a list somewhere, because as they said, I would love to know what movies there were. Popular ones or obscure ones?

I do apologize for the exclamation points I will try to control them. The DNA I was just trying to say there are other ways to get someone's DNA without that person actually being in the home. The movies I have heard referenced that the quotes came from were "Dirty Harry" and "Speed".

 

[cabanafrau]

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I think the DA's office had to be very careful John And Patsy were not cooperating and they knew that if they indicted them and could not prove the case that the Ramsey's would sue and the case would not be able to be prosecuted again!

No, not necessarily true. In most cases DAs, police and the "People"(government) have immunity. If that were not so everyone who is charged with but not convicted of a crime would be suing. It's possible in some cases to sue for malicious prosecution, however egregious violations have to have taken place. The Ramseys had excellent legal counsel who would have informed them of such if the issue came up. The prosecution side absolutely knew this.

Interestingly I heard on the radio this morning that Burke's attorney has come out and said he is contemplating suing over the allegations in the program. The particularly interesting piece of that is he apparently sued someone in the media 15 years ago for putting forth claims he did it -- and he WON.

 

[gemini2727]

I notice you are punctuating now and laying off the exclamations...makes a big difference, thank you. I do disagree with most of your points, but I appreciate the effort there.

 

[cabanafrau]

Both theories have a lot of possibilities and there is evidence that could go either way I just think there is more evidence that points to an accidental killing. I mean even if it was Burke who hit Jon Benet with the flashlight I don't think he meant for her to die. I think John and Patsy were blindsided when they found Jon Benet dead and knew their little boy was responsible. They knew they lost Jon Benet and now they would lose Burke too they went into protection mode and covered up the accidental killing so far that's my opinion on what may have happened.

So you're saying the parents found Jon Benet dead? So that means that Burke made and used the garrote?

My opinion is that's farfetched beyond belief.

 

[Sandy Cross]

The thing is, the theory presented of Burke committing the murder isn't all that different than the theory the Boulder Police Department seemed to stick with for years in that they believe JonBenet wet her bed, Patsy got angry and accidentally hit her on the head, and then the garrote and ransom note etc was all a cover-up. The DNA evidence was then used to refute that. The investigators just substituted Burke for Patsy as the one who got angry and went from there.

I saw nothing in that special that would make me choose Burke over Patsy as the culprit. They pretty much said "Okay, let's assume this DNA evidence is false and go from there." Like I said, I'm not comfortable with that but as a hypothesis okay. I would still have to know a lot more about Burke because that garrote is a rather complicated instrument - not complicated in weird knots or anything but just a complicated way to commit a murder in a fit of anger. I'd expect a 9 year old just to wrap the rope around her and squeeze if anything. And if they want to say okay, what if it wasn't just two kids fighting gone to an extreme and he actually planned this out to an extent as a budding psychopath... then I'd need to know way more about the kid. Where is the line-up of Moms from the school saying he was a known bully and he'd been hitting and causing trouble in the class? What kind of movies and games was he embroiled in? What was he like? That sort of incident doesn't just appear out of the blue. There is usually a sort of progression of that behavior that starts small and builds and builds and friends and family and the school ~know~ there is something about that kid. And they generally don't feel all lovey and protective toward that kid either.

And I still don't buy the line that the parents discovered her nearly dead and then finished her off to protect Burke. Given how invested Patsy was in JonBenet, I just have a hard time accepting that particular line.

I don't think they are saying Burke had anything to do with the garrote but rather Burke hit Jon Benet with the flashlight and when John And Patsy found Jon Benet (I now believe she was already dead from the cracked skull) they tried to cover up the killing by the garrote and ransom note.

 

[RitaE]

I do apologize for the exclamation points I will try to control them. The DNA I was just trying to say there are other ways to get someone's DNA without that person actually being in the home. The movies I have heard referenced that the quotes came from were "Dirty Harry" and "Speed".

Which are movies that more people in America than not would have watched during that time period. I'd never heard that those particular movies were found in the Ramsey's movie collection, but it's hardly a shocking fact.

So let me ask you this. If you want to favor the hypothesis that somebody in the home lost their temper and hit the girl, why do you choose Burke as being the more likely candidate over Patsy or John Ramsey?

 

[Sandy Cross]

So you're saying the parents found Jon Benet dead? So that means that Burke made and used the garrote?

My opinion is that's farfetched beyond belief.

No I believe that Jon Benet died from the cracked skull and Burke had nothing to do with the garrote that was John and Patsy covering up the killing.

 

[Sandy Cross]

Which are movies that more people in America than not would have watched during that time period. I'd never heard that those particular movies were found in the Ramsey's movie collection, but it's hardly a shocking fact.

So let me ask you this. If you want to favor the hypothesis that somebody in the home lost their temper and hit the girl, why do you choose Burke as being the more likely candidate over Patsy or John Ramsey?

I think that Burke got angry and hit Jon Benet I don't think Burke meant to kill her. Burke was a video game player and in violent video games children seem to not realize that the violence in them are fantasy and you can't do those things in reality I think he was angry and wanted to hurt her in that instant but thought she would be ok.

 

[msjprincess]

I think that Burke got angry and hit Jon Benet I don't think Burke meant to kill her. Burke was a video game player and in violent video games children seem to not realize that the violence in them are fantasy and you can't do those things in reality I think he was angry and wanted to hurt her in that instant but thought she would be ok.

But why do you think that over thinking a parent did it? There has been no evidence of any history of violence or being a troubled child.

 

[Sandy Cross]

I notice you are punctuating now and laying off the exclamations...makes a big difference, thank you. I do disagree with most of your points, but I appreciate the effort there.

Thank you I really appreciate that. I will remember to keep them to a minimum.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I don't think they are saying Burke had anything to do with the garrote but rather Burke hit Jon Benet with the flashlight and when John And Patsy found Jon Benet (I now believe she was already dead from the cracked skull) they tried to cover up the killing by the garrote and ransom note.

She wasn't dead when the garrote came into play. They'd be able to tell if she were. The wounds on her neck would be different if they were after she died.
See that's where all these "it was an accident and cover up" theories really don't hold up.
Since they can't really say which order the head wound and strangulation happened it means she was alive when strangled. Even if she were unconscious from the head wound, it makes no sense for her parents to decide to strangled her with a garrote instead of calling an ambulance.

 

[cabanafrau]

No I believe that Jon Benet died from the cracked skull and Burke had nothing to do with the garrote that was John and Patsy covering up the killing.

Isn't asphyxia part of the official cause of death? If so, you believe that they made and used the garrote, not simply as staging, but to finish the job?

They loved him so much they couldn't bear to lose him, and could turn off their love that easily, and to that EXTREME, for the other child? You've said here you believe normal parents love their children. Absent this incident occurring in their lives, what else can you point to that says these parents weren't normal, loving parents?

Dark ideas springing up in your head are a lousy basis for leveling these accusations against this family without solid cause.

 

[RitaE]

I think that Burke got angry and hit Jon Benet I don't think Burke meant to kill her. Burke was a video game player and in violent video games children seem to not realize that the violence in them are fantasy and you can't do those things in reality I think he was angry and wanted to hurt her in that instant but thought she would be ok.

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me. Well, I do think you are wrong about the garrote because the autopsy results show the garrote was applied while she was still breathing. But let's say John and/or Patsy found her and they thought she was dead so they proceeded with a cover-up. This also completely ignores all the blood and DNA evidence.

You seem to have watched the CBS show. I remember a line in there where the Behavioral expert said the best predictor of behavior is past behavior. We know nothing of any sort of physical violent behavior patterns in any of the Ramsey family. Billions of kids play video games and a tiny fraction of them commit violence. I'm trying to understand why exactly do you think Burke is a more likely candidate for a sudden outburst of violence than either of the parents?

 

[Sandy Cross]

But why do you think that over thinking a parent did it? There has been no evidence of any history of violence or being a troubled child.

There was a incident with a golf club and Jon Benet had to have plastic surgery. Not sure but that could have been an accident. I don't think the parents would have been that mad or upset with Jon Benet after coming from the Christmas Party. I think that Jon Benet did something to make Burke angry it could have something to do with the pineapple or one of their new Christmas toys.

 

[msjprincess]

Isn't asphyxia part of the official cause of death? If so, you believe that they made and used the garrote, not simply as staging, but to finish the job?

They loved him so much they couldn't bear to lose him, and could turn off their love that easily, and to that EXTREME, for the other child? You've said here you believe normal parents love their children. Absent this incident occurring in their lives, what else can you point to that says these parents weren't normal, loving parents?

Dark ideas springing up in your head are a lousy basis for leveling these accusations against this family without solid cause.

Yes it is. https://www.romper.com/p/what-did-j...ort-say-it-prompted-even-more-questions-18586

After completing microscopic evaluation of the findings, as well as running toxicology reports that showed no drugs of any kind in JonBenét's system, Dr. Meyer ruled that the cause of death was "asphyxia by strangulation associated with craniocerebral trauma," which means that she suffocated due to the cord tied around her neck, and was hit very hard in the head before she died.

The theory makes no sense considering how Patsy doted on Jonbenet.

 

[msjprincess]

There was a incident with a golf club and Jon Benet had to have plastic surgery. Not sure but that could have been an accident. I don't think the parents would have been that mad or upset with Jon Benet after coming from the Christmas Party. I think that Jon Benet did something to make Burke angry it could have something to do with the pineapple or one of their new Christmas toys.

Yes, he accidentally hit her on his back swing. What type of plastic surgery? Was it just for scar removal or something more drastic?

 

[LisaR]

I have always thought that it was either Patsy or Burke and John helped in the coverup now I am leaning towards Burke!! For all the comments saying a parent couldn't do what was done to Jon Benet that's exactly why they had to do it to make everyone think the crime was too brutal to have been done by family!!! They knew she was dead and nothing would bring her back they had to try and save the child they had left!! Burke was nine years old and old enough to know that death is a sad thing that Jon Benet was never coming back but at the funeral he was all smiles there is something wrong with his demeanor through all the interviews his laughing at inappropriate times !! My opinion is he got angry with Jon Benet and hit her with the flashlight everything else was a coverup!! But unless there is a confession it's all theory!! Why people on this thread can't discuss the theory's without being rude and trying to put people down is upsetting it's like why even have a thread if you don't want to hear others opinions!!

This is The Dis. If you stick around, you'll see that things often don't go your way.

I'm sorry, but you lost any and all credibility with me when you threw out the theory that John went down to the local public gas station to pick himself up one single piece of DNA. I love theories, but they have to be plausible. Many of the things you've posted are simply ridiculous.

 

[Hikergirl]

There was a incident with a golf club and Jon Benet had to have plastic surgery. Not sure but that could have been an accident. I don't think the parents would have been that mad or upset with Jon Benet after coming from the Christmas Party. I think that Jon Benet did something to make Burke angry it could have something to do with the pineapple or one of their new Christmas toys.

The golf club incident was an accident.