JonBenet Ramsey - a question for those who follow this story

[Sandy Cross]

Okay, finished the second CBS episode. Their hypothesis is that the foreign material found within the genital tract occurred by transfer. IE, it was somewhere else on her body and when she was picked up and moved - it also moved. The same DNA on two different items of clothing was also explained by transfer. IE, the DNA was on the pajamas or underwear and then the underwear and pajamas touched somehow and there was a transfer. Both of those seem rather thin on probability to me, but I guess there is a possibility of it.

Further evidence of molestation (bruising in the vaginal area and evidence that her genital area had been wiped down) was ignored.

The intruder theory was debunked on the basis of the one window and spiderweb only. They never explored any possibility of an entrance or exit being made from another point in the house that I can recall. They also never brought up the investigation as to how many keys were "out in the wild." I know that somewhere in the police investigation is evidence of that. I remember reading it.

I just rewatched the two Burke interviews to see if my initial impression had changed. The first with the Social Services lady he reminded nearly exactly of my nephew who has had some therapy for neurological issues and hyperactivity. Right down to the tone of voice reminded of my nephew. And believe me, my nephew couldn't reliably keep a secret if you promised him the moon the stars and a new Nintendo every year for the rest of his life. The second interview I did pick up more on him squirming over the pineapple, but I really didn't think it was any sort of smoking gun.

All in all I thought their conclusion boiled down to "Probably Burke. No real proof but we can take some of these facts and shove them in there tight enough that they kind of fit."

I can't say Burke didn't commit the crime, but they didn't fully convince me with what they showed.

 

[Sandy Cross]

I have always thought that it was either Patsy or Burke and John helped in the coverup now I am leaning towards Burke!! For all the comments saying a parent couldn't do what was done to Jon Benet that's exactly why they had to do it to make everyone think the crime was too brutal to have been done by family!!! They knew she was dead and nothing would bring her back they had to try and save the child they had left!! Burke was nine years old and old enough to know that death is a sad thing that Jon Benet was never coming back but at the funeral he was all smiles there is something wrong with his demeanor through all the interviews his laughing at inappropriate times !! My opinion is he got angry with Jon Benet and hit her with the flashlight everything else was a coverup!! But unless there is a confession it's all theory!! Why people on this thread can't discuss the theory's without being rude and trying to put people down is upsetting it's like why even have a thread if you don't want to hear others opinions!!

 

[msjprincess]

I'll keep believing that family did it you keep believing in the mythical intruder after all we are all entitled to our own opinion and I should know that you should know more then the people who made the documentary!! Were you there with the "kidnapper"

Do you think those make believer investigators knew more than Lou Smit and the DA's office?

 

[sunshinehighway]

I have always thought that it was either Patsy or Burke and John helped in the coverup now I am leaning towards Burke!! For all the comments saying a parent couldn't do what was done to Jon Benet that's exactly why they had to do it to make everyone think the crime was too brutal to have been done by family!!! They knew she was dead and nothing would bring her back they had to try and save the child they had left!! Burke was nine years old and old enough to know that death is a sad thing that Jon Benet was never coming back but at the funeral he was all smiles there is something wrong with his demeanor through all the interviews his laughing at inappropriate times !! My opinion is he got angry with Jon Benet and hit her with the flashlight everything else was a coverup!! But unless there is a confession it's all theory!! Why people on this thread can't discuss the theory's without being rude and trying to put people down is upsetting it's like why even have a thread if you don't want to hear others opinions!!

The thing is, your theories are really out there. If you want to share your opinions and theories that's great but others can question the things you are saying. To be honest, some of the things you are saying are complete nonsense. You can't really expect people not to question total nonsense.

 

[Sandy Cross]

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Do you think those make believer investigators knew more than Lou Smit and the DA's office?

I think the DA's office had to be very careful John And Patsy were not cooperating and they knew that if they indicted them and could not prove the case that the Ramsey's would sue and the case would not be able to be prosecuted again!

 

[Sandy Cross]

The thing is, your theories are really out there. If you want to share your opinions and theories that's great but others can question the things you are saying. To be honest, some of the things you are saying are complete nonsense. You can't really expect people not to question totaly nonsense.

Your entitled to think what you want as am I but the rude catty comments are not needed you can always say I don't agree and I respect that !!! The whole thing about a discussion is sharing many different opinions and theories not ganging up on someone!! It's all good I'm a big girl I can take the criticism as long as it's constructive and not reduced to childish bullying!!

 

[sunshinehighway]

Your entitled to think what you want as am I but the rude catty comments are not needed you can always say I don't agree and I respect that !!! The whole thing about a discussion is sharing many different opinions and theories not ganging up on someone!! It's all good I'm a big girl I can take the criticism as long as it's constructive and not reduced to childish bullying!!

You are entitled to your opinion but that doesn't mean others can't tell you they think it's wrong or silly.
I don't think you should talk about catty comments really. Your posts aren't really reading as nice and lovely. Your respect for other opinions doesn't come across either.

I'll keep believing that family did it you keep believing in the mythical intruder after all we are all entitled to our own opinion and I should know that you should know more then the people who made the documentary!! Were you there with the "kidnapper"

 

[RitaE]

The thing is, the theory presented of Burke committing the murder isn't all that different than the theory the Boulder Police Department seemed to stick with for years in that they believe JonBenet wet her bed, Patsy got angry and accidentally hit her on the head, and then the garrote and ransom note etc was all a cover-up. The DNA evidence was then used to refute that. The investigators just substituted Burke for Patsy as the one who got angry and went from there.

I saw nothing in that special that would make me choose Burke over Patsy as the culprit. They pretty much said "Okay, let's assume this DNA evidence is false and go from there." Like I said, I'm not comfortable with that but as a hypothesis okay. I would still have to know a lot more about Burke because that garrote is a rather complicated instrument - not complicated in weird knots or anything but just a complicated way to commit a murder in a fit of anger. I'd expect a 9 year old just to wrap the rope around her and squeeze if anything. And if they want to say okay, what if it wasn't just two kids fighting gone to an extreme and he actually planned this out to an extent as a budding psychopath... then I'd need to know way more about the kid. Where is the line-up of Moms from the school saying he was a known bully and he'd been hitting and causing trouble in the class? What kind of movies and games was he embroiled in? What was he like? That sort of incident doesn't just appear out of the blue. There is usually a sort of progression of that behavior that starts small and builds and builds and friends and family and the school ~know~ there is something about that kid. And they generally don't feel all lovey and protective toward that kid either.

And I still don't buy the line that the parents discovered her nearly dead and then finished her off to protect Burke. Given how invested Patsy was in JonBenet, I just have a hard time accepting that particular line.

 

[Sandy Cross]

You are entitled to your opinion but that doesn't mean others can't tell you they think it's wrong or silly.
I don't think you should talk about catty comments really. Your posts aren't really reading as nice and lovely. Your respect for other opinions doesn't come across either.

I don't know why you say that I have been attacked from the beginning!! My posts were very respectful until you all decided to ban together like a bunch of bully's and start attacking me and even now I still respect all of your opinions and would really like to discuss them that's why I signed up!!

 

[msjprincess]

I don't know why you say that I have been attacked from the beginning!! My posts were very respectful until you all decided to ban together like a bunch of bully's and start attacking me and even now I still respect all of your opinions and would really like to discuss them that's why I signed up!!

No one attacked you.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I don't know why you say that I have been attacked from the beginning!! My posts were very respectful until you all decided to ban together like a bunch of bully's and start attacking me and even now I still respect all of your opinions and would really like to discuss them that's why I signed up!!

It doesn't come off as you respect anyone's opinion or want to discuss anything that doesn't agree with you.
It's also hard to discuss anything when all you are doing is making up ridiculous things as explanations.
Let's talk about the foreign DNA...ok clearly the best explanation is John knew they'd be able to test for touch DNA sometime in the future so he went to a random bathroom and got DNA from a stranger. Of course he's so smart, I mean he can see into the future to predict touch DNA, he was able to only get DNA from one person.
Seriously, how do you even discuss that? It's not anything people can discuss because it's makes zero sense.

 

[sunshinehighway]

No one attacked you.

Attacked, disagreed...those two so often get confused here.

 

[msjprincess]

My answers in bold.

Here some info about the movies. Warning, the whole thing is cray cray. http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682494/Movie Comparisons.

 

[msjprincess]

I don't know why you say that I have been attacked from the beginning!! My posts were very respectful until you all decided to ban together like a bunch of bully's and start attacking me and even now I still respect all of your opinions and would really like to discuss them that's why I signed up!!

I'm sorry but when every post is full of exclamation points it looks as though you are screaming at everyone and not having a rational discussion.

 

[Sandy Cross]

I'm sorry but when every post is full of exclamation points it looks as though you are screaming at everyone and not having a rational discussion.

I apologize I do use a lot of exclamation points and smileys and hearts you should see my Facebook. I will try to stop.

 

[Sandy Cross]

Attacked, disagreed...those two so often get confused here.

Maybe that was not your intention but it felt that way to me. I thought this would be a good place to discuss all the theories that are out there and hear some new ones.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Here some info about the movies. Warning, the whole thing is cray cray. http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682494/Movie Comparisons.

They left out the most obvious movie...The Godfather! The garrote is clearly a Godfather reference. Whoever watched that movie the most is probably the one who staged the cover-up.

 

[nugov2]

I'll keep believing that family did it you keep believing in the mythical intruder after all we are all entitled to our own opinion and I should know that you should know more then the people who made the documentary!! Were you there with the "kidnapper"

I believe all people should form their own opinions and there is nothing wrong with coming to different conclusions...my problem with your posts are the information that has been disproved that you post as gospel and the fact you are referencing almost exclusively one documentary that had one goal...to prove Burke did it. You are also posting theories that are extremely unlikely (ie public bathroom dna on her clothes). I don't know for sure nobody in the house did it any more than you know an intruder didn't do it, but IMO the facts don't add up to a cover up from reading alot of information. I'm not basing it off of one documentary. Nothing mythical about a possible intruder.

 

[Sandy Cross]

It doesn't come off as you respect anyone's opinion or want to discuss anything that doesn't agree with you.
It's also hard to discuss anything when all you are doing is making up ridiculous things as explanations.
Let's talk about the foreign DNA...ok clearly the best explanation is John knew they'd be able to test for touch DNA sometime in the future so he went to a random bathroom and got DNA from a stranger. Of course he's so smart, I mean he can see into the future to predict touch DNA, he was able to only get DNA from one person.
Seriously, how do you even discuss that? It's not anything people can discuss because it's makes zero sense.

You see that's your opinion and I'm not saying either one of us is right or wrong. I know back in 1996 DNA testing was not as advanced as it is today but there were crime shows back then that did talk of DNA testing and if and I'm saying if there was a cover up that would be something to be considered. I do respect everyone's opinion and my opinion is not set in stone I am willing to change my mind and consider every possibility. I would love to hear new theories.

 

[Heidict]

I don't know why you say that I have been attacked from the beginning!! My posts were very respectful until you all decided to ban together like a bunch of bully's and start attacking me and even now I still respect all of your opinions and would really like to discuss them that's why I signed up!!

The fact that your posts are riddled with tons of exclamation points really comes across as unhinged. I'm sure you aren't and that is not how you are writing it, but it comes across as such.

Not sure why you are getting so upset that people don't agree with you. The responses on the thread may have been a bit snarky, but you really think this is bullying? Is this the first message board you have been on because this one is childs play compared to so many of them out there.

As someone previously mentioned, some of your arguments are so far out in left field they are laughable. It's hart to argue with something like that. I mean, seriously.....you thing JR ran out to a public restroom and magically managed to only get DNA from one person and then came home and planted it? I just............you really can't argue it.

Also, the quotes of the movies in the letter. Someone had asked what movies they were from. Do you know? Is there a list somewhere, because as they said, I would love to know what movies there were. Popular ones or obscure ones?