2025 Condo Meeting Information - Renting

[The Jackal]

Interesting to see that 20% of DVC utilizations are rentals by DVC. I didn’t think it would be so high.

I have been saying all along the largest renter of points was DVC themselves. If they rent between 15-20% of all DVC properties, that is a lot of rooms. I understand that people trade in points for cruises and II, now you can trade them in for Annual Passes. Now we know why DVC started selling OTUP for 1/2 price when you buy member magic beyond. They have so many points they can’t use them. I knew they had a ton of points to waste after the pandemic when they were renting rooms at resorts to do tours. They had a GV at VGF for what seemed like years. I know they had a GV at OKW for a long time too. But a GV at OKW is the easiest on your points, with some 2 bedrooms at some resorts using more points.

 

[Cyberc1978]

I have been saying all along the largest renter of points was DVC themselves. If they rent between 15-20% of all DVC properties, that is a lot of rooms. I understand that people trade in points for cruises and II, now you can trade them in for Annual Passes. Now we know why DVC started selling OTUP for 1/2 price when you buy member magic beyond. They have so many points they can’t use them. I knew they had a ton of points to waste after the pandemic when they were renting rooms at resorts to do tours. They had a GV at VGF for what seemed like years. I know they had a GV at OKW for a long time too. But a GV at OKW is the easiest on your points, with some 2 bedrooms at some resorts using more points.

I disagree 15%-20% is not a lot of rooms, it’s a TON of rooms

If DVC has so many spare points why not increase the OTUP or decrease the price, to get more to buy them. Another option, when members call to book a room not in inventory lower the price to get more members to buy a room directly from DVC.

Or even better lower the point-price to buy an AP through MMB, and then up the MMB buyin price.
If DVC have too many spare points they risk they can’t use them and they go to waste.

 

[Sandisw]

I disagree 15%-20% is not a lot of rooms, it’s a TON of rooms

If DVC has so many spare points why not increase the OTUP or decrease the price, to get more to buy them. Another option, when members call to book a room not in inventory lower the price to get more members to buy a room directly from DVC.

Or even better lower the point-price to buy an AP through MMB, and then up the MMB buyin price.
If DVC have too many spare points they risk they can’t use them and they go to waste.

I don’t think they have too many…and I bet they have no problem renting for cash, or OTU points.

The other part to remember is that they take out the rooms equivalent points for the trade, but I have to imagine that the rentals they secure more than covers the cost paid to the other division for the trades.

I think the big idea is that the reason these rooms are leaving the system is because owners find value in using points for other things.

And it’s larger than many of us had even thought about.

 

[VGCgroupie]

So maybe DVC strategy was to get people to forget about commercial renters, seems to be working based off comments. DVC is renting when owners decide to trade in and do something different that is 1000% fair. Commerical renters are buying contracts for the sole purpose of making money not so they can use their DVC to help pay for a cruise one year. It is a completely different situation and even if DVC rented 60% of the points I don't think commercial renting should ever be just swept under the rug just because DVC also rents.

 

[ILoveMyDVC]

Commercial Renting Discussed Again at 2025 BoardWalk Condo Association Meeting
New checkboxes, old concerns. DVC leadership addressed point rentals and availability at today's meeting.

Read the full update here: https://dvcfan.com/general-dvc/2025-dvc-commercial-renting-update/

Let us know your thoughts — is DVC striking the right balance?

#DVCFan #DVCRental #DisneyVacationClub #DVCNews #DVCBoardWalk #CommercialRentingDVC

So no clarifying information -just vagueness

 

[eticketplease]

When DVC takes rooms they don’t make a “reservation” per say… they just take them from the DVC system.

They can’t r remove them sooner than the 11 month plus 7 window, but it’s not like they have to “create” a reservation.

Your a TA. I thought my friend is a TA said that these rooms are bookable 12 months in advance from Disney?
Perhaps I misunderstood what my friend had said previously.

 

[Sandisw]

Your a TA. I thought my friend is a TA said that these rooms are bookable 12 months in advance from Disney?
Perhaps I misunderstood what my friend had said previously.

I have never seen a DVC room available for booking 12 months in advance.

Now, rooms not declared into DVC yet might show up, like PvB tower, CFW or RIV.

Although, even then they don’t seem to be there

 

[DougEMG]

Interesting to see that 20% of DVC utilizations are rentals by DVC. I didn’t think it would be so high.

Wow that is a huge amount, I didn't think there were that many points being exchange back to Disney.

 

[DougEMG]

I think it’s 20% of all DVC points and a spotlight of BWV at 15%.

So there are others that must be higher than 20% to bring the average up…

BWV owners are smarter and stay at their home resort

 

[AstroBlasters]

BWV owners are smarter and stay at their home resort

#Facts

 

[eticketplease]

I have never seen a DVC room available for booking 12 months in advance.

Now, rooms not declared into DVC yet might show up, like PvB tower, CFW or RIV.

Although, even then they don’t seem to be there

I definitely misunderstood lol.
They can't be booked that early on I was informed

 

[airjay75]

Just another thought that occurred to me thinking about the 20% of all DVC points are exchanged stat. Outside of Interval International, only direct/grandfathered points can be exchange for anything else. Of course, we don't know the true breakdown between direct and resale owners, and that probably varies by resort. I tend to think it is on the smaller side. Regardless, unless resale owners are exchanging 20% of their points into II (which I sort of doubt), that means the percentage of direct/grandfathered points being exchanged is actually higher than 20%. How much higher would depend on the ratio of direct to resale owners.

 

[muppets3d]

Just another thought that occurred to me thinking about the 20% of all DVC points are exchanged stat. Outside of Interval International, only direct/grandfathered points can be exchange for anything else. Of course, we don't know the true breakdown between direct and resale owners, and that probably varies by resort. I tend to think it is on the smaller side. Regardless, unless resale owners are exchanging 20% of their points into II (which I sort of doubt), that means the percentage of direct/grandfathered points being exchanged is actually higher than 20%. How much higher would depend on the ratio of direct to resale owners.

II exchanges wouldn't count as a rental under this definition. When you exchange DVC points into II, DVC has to take a comparable room out of their inventory to offer on the exchange (it does not have to come from the resort from which you withdrew points, it can be anywhere in the DVC system). Whereas when a member exchanges points for a cruise through DVC for example - or buys an annual pass if they are MMB owners, they can rent those points out for cash.

 

[eticketplease]

Just another thought that occurred to me thinking about the 20% of all DVC points are exchanged stat. Outside of Interval International, only direct/grandfathered points can be exchange for anything else. Of course, we don't know the true breakdown between direct and resale owners, and that probably varies by resort. I tend to think it is on the smaller side. Regardless, unless resale owners are exchanging 20% of their points into II (which I sort of doubt), that means the percentage of direct/grandfathered points being exchanged is actually higher than 20%. How much higher would depend on the ratio of direct to resale owners.

I agree some of the legacy resorts still have a high number of original owners I would say.

I would also point out that sometimes it is just easier to repeat what you have always done in the past. For older owners that is if you want to go somewhere else just trade through Disney as there wasn't always this great rental market or swap programs. Not the greatest bang for the buck but it does provide peace of mind with Disney handling things.

 

[airjay75]

II exchanges wouldn't count as a rental under this definition. When you exchange DVC points into II, DVC has to take a comparable room out of their inventory to offer on the exchange (it does not have to come from the resort from which you withdrew points, it can be anywhere in the DVC system). Whereas when a member exchanges points for a cruise through DVC for example - or buys an annual pass if they are MMB owners, they can rent those points out for cash.

Yeah, I understand. And I know they typically put SSR/OKW into II. I could be wrong, but I think the 20% figure that was put out at the BWV association referred to all exchanges, not just non-II ones. At least that was the impression I got from the discussion earlier in the thread. But, to your point, the II exchanges would not likely be the ones resulting in rooms being taken out of inventory at the 11-month mark.

 

[eticketplease]

II exchanges wouldn't count as a rental under this definition. When you exchange DVC points into II, DVC has to take a comparable room out of their inventory to offer on the exchange (it does not have to come from the resort from which you withdrew points, it can be anywhere in the DVC system). Whereas when a member exchanges points for a cruise through DVC for example - or buys an annual pass if they are MMB owners, they can rent those points out for cash.

I don't think that is quite true. You could use the points it takes to stay in a studio for a week at DVC and transfer into II and receive a 1 or 2 bedroom somewhere but when looking on II they don't really have any studios there for a week per say.

I believe disney sort of combines the points from all of the exchanges and then adds inventory to II. Inventory is usually just 1 bedrooms from what I have seen but I'm not an expert by any means in RCI/II

 

[muppets3d]

I don't think that is quite true. You could use the points it takes to stay in a studio for a week at DVC and transfer into II and receive a 1 or 2 bedroom somewhere but when looking on II they don't really have any studios there for a week per say.

I believe disney sort of combines the points from all of the exchanges and then adds inventory to II. Inventory is usually just 1 bedrooms from what I have seen but I'm not an expert by any means in RCI/II

As I said, the room can be anywhere in the DVC system and yes they typically do tend to put 1 bedroom or 2 bedroom units into the exchange. But they could put anything they want in there, even a club level room if they really wanted to.

Yeah, I understand. And I know they typically put SSR/OKW into II. I could be wrong, but I think the 20% figure that was put out at the BWV association referred to all exchanges, not just non-II ones. At least that was the impression I got from the discussion earlier in the thread. But, to your point, the II exchanges would not likely be the ones resulting in rooms being taken out of inventory at the 11-month mark.

That 20% figure may count all exchanges, I'm not sure. Someone would have to ask next year I guess. II exchanges can be a good value - the last time I seriously looked I could exchange 50 DVC points for a week in Aruba. But I do think that exchanges for cruises are more popular than people on here think. Talking to regular members at the lounges etc, a lot of people have a lot of points they bought decades ago and have long since extracted value out of. They may still stay at Boardwalk every few years, but on off-years they exchange for cruises.

 

[airjay75]

I don't think that is quite true. You could use the points it takes to stay in a studio for a week at DVC and transfer into II and receive a 1 or 2 bedroom somewhere but when looking on II they don't really have any studios there for a week per say.

I believe disney sort of combines the points from all of the exchanges and then adds inventory to II. Inventory is usually just 1 bedrooms from what I have seen but I'm not an expert by any means in RCI/II

And, earlier in the thread (I forget who it was) mentioned there was a time when Disney would put rooms into II in anticipation of the expected II exchanges - but, again, usually OKW/SSR rooms, not high demand rooms. Disney just has to meet whatever the demand are of II, and presumably they're not going to put rooms in there where they could make much more money by renting themselves.

Just more muddying of the waters with this 20% number they put out there. Assuming that 20% includes II exchanges, what percent are II vs. what percent are exchanges for cruises/hotels/ABD/APs? I'd probably bet on these side that most of that 20% are non-II exchanges.

 

[eticketplease]

As I said, the room can be anywhere in the DVC system and yes they typically do tend to put 1 bedroom or 2 bedroom units into the exchange. But they could put anything they want in there, even a club level room if they really wanted to.



That 20% figure may count all exchanges, I'm not sure. Someone would have to ask next year I guess. II exchanges can be a good value - the last time I seriously looked I could exchange 50 DVC points for a week in Aruba. But I do think that exchanges for cruises are more popular than people on here think. Talking to regular members at the lounges etc, a lot of people have a lot of points they bought decades ago and have long since extracted value out of. They may still stay at Boardwalk every few years, but on off-years they exchange for cruises.

Yes but originally you said "comparable room".
If you are trading a studio but they are depositing a 1 bedroom into the II system that is not comparable in my eyes.
Are you talking about the II exchange being comparable? i.e. we receive a 1/2 bedroom through II and then that is why there is SSR/OKW 1 bedroom in II?

 

[mkatsy]

Yeah, I understand. And I know they typically put SSR/OKW into II. I could be wrong, but I think the 20% figure that was put out at the BWV association referred to all exchanges, not just non-II ones. At least that was the impression I got from the discussion earlier in the thread. But, to your point, the II exchanges would not likely be the ones resulting in rooms being taken out of inventory at the 11-month mark.

I’m in an II facebook group and I saw something over there that said there are monthly “dumps” from Disney into II inventory and the dates are 5-6 months out. As you said typically SSR/OKW and occasionally a few others. I did see someone share that they got Animal Kingdom, but it seemed rare because everyone was excited for that person.