Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[newtodis]

When Kate Gosselin decided to pack up her boys and get as far away as possible from the paparazzi, and her estranged husband, she headed for the Red Reflet Ranch in Ten Sleep, Wyoming.

It's not wonder she chose this remote resort, since Red Reflet Guest Ranch caters to families, like the Gosselins, and can be reserved for groups as large as 26; they could even fit the whole Dugger clan without a problem. And the ranch has plenty of activities to keep little cowboys and cowgirls busy like horseback rising, hiking, fly fishing, swimming, cattle work, mountain biking and nightly star gazing.

There's a lot to keep adults happy too. The ranch rents ATVs to guests that can used on their miles of trial, they also give skeet shooting lessons (think Kate got into this?) and every night there is an open bar with more than 20 different beers and 100 wines from all over the world.

Since Red Reflet is an actual working ranch, guests get time to mingle with the folks who keep it running during mealtimes. The ranch hands explain how they keep the ranch going while visitors enjoy food that was grown or raised right on the ranch and prepared just for them by the resident executive Chef.

Located just outside of Big Horn National Forest, the ranch's landscape ranges from cacti desert to Aspen forests to deep limestone canyons, providing each of their guest rooms with a spectacular view. All chalets comes fully stocked with snacks, beverages, breakfast foods and have every convenience you could need like a steam shower, fireplace, washer and dryer, complete stainless steel kitchen, satellite DirectTV and wireless Internet access.

For a three-night, four-day double occupancy room during the summer, the cost is $1,400 per person, which seems pricey, but it does include all meals and activities. Kids rates are discounted based on their age, kids 13-17 pay 75% of adult rate, 7-12 year olds pay 50% of adult rate, children ages 3-6 pay 25% of adult rate and kids 2 and under are free. You can call the ranch at 866-766-2340 to check availability and make reservations, and be sure to tell them that Kate sent you.

http://www.jaunted.com/story/2009/9...+Takes+Her+Plus+Eight+To+A+Wyoming+Dude+Ranch

Ranch's Official Site: http://www.red-reflet-ranch.net/index.html

I'm guessing this is where Kate and the kids stayed while there but I don't know: http://www.red-reflet-ranch.net/ranch-house.html . This place really looks awesome! Great pictures on their site!

 

[madge]

I do have to say I'm impressed that we're not seeing daily pictures of the kids playing in the yard or going to Starbucks or whatever (or J&K doing that while the kids are in school). That much is a nice break. I do though expect pictures of their holiday weekend I guess since the kids will be home for the weekend.

there are still daily pictures:
http://gosselins.sosugary.com/index.php?cat=30

 

[newtodis]

there are still daily pictures:
http://gosselins.sosugary.com/index.php?cat=30

That's unreal! Wow - thanks for sharing that.

 

[madge]

That's unreal! Wow - thanks for sharing that.

I never have been able to figure out what the SoSugary site is about. What I do know is that it's where all the pictures are -- paparazzi, show, etc. It's not a fan site, either. I've gotten to the point where I look there for pics, then I don't have to read all the crap that goes with it. LOL

 

[3prettyprincesses]

there are still daily pictures:
http://gosselins.sosugary.com/index.php?cat=30

Eerie. How does that website have all those pictures? Are they stalking the Gosselins? I don't know, I love the show but seeing pictures all over the place of the kids seems so wrong.

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

Newtodis - Thank you so much for posting the ranch info. Just a little background on Ten Sleep for anyone interested - It truly is in the middle of nowhere. There used to be a huge National Girl Scout Center in Ten Sleep. I spent some of the best weeks of my life out there horseback riding and camping. It was sold in the 90s I believe.

I remember taking a plane to Cody (very small plane) and then still having a ride of over 90 minutes out to the camp. It was extremely secluded and probably the reason why they could get away without the papparazzi finding them. In fact, the P-people would stick out like a sore thumb.

Ok, now back to J&K.

 

[walden]

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Also, as to Jon being abused, there is alot of abuse that doesn't show and verbal is definately one. Who knows how she talked to him when they were alone if that is the way she talks to him when she knows the cameras are running. He used to mutter under his breath things like "oh yeah, I am stupid" and "she thinks she is always right" and he would roll his eyes, but I never saw him go after her personally like she did to him.
And she is definately on the verge of being physically abusive too. Abuse doesn't have to be hitting to leave a mark, it can be that little slap she used to give him when they were on the couch, or a pinch here and there. Look at the way she slapped Emeril, I saw the look on his face and he was none too happy. But then she slapped him again, and just laughed it off, "Oh yes, I did slap him." And I saw the video where she hit one of the tups because she was on the phone and the tup was making noise. .

Absolutely agreed with the above. Those slaps and spanks do seem on the verge of being out of control. Also, she appeared to hit that tup quite hard and in anger. Those pictures were unpleasant.

I think in the earlier episodes Jon did try to stand up for himself a bit. When she yelled at him at Toys R Us he did tell her that he was embarrassed and (paraphrase) told her he thought that it made her look bad. I thought he handled it fairly well. He also told her that he didn't like the *love tapping.* Fair enough. She promptly slapped him again -- "You mean like this?"

Jon is behaving really badly right now, and I wish he get (back?) into counseling. He needs it. I think he has lots of issues he needs to work through. In domestic violence situations many people still blame the victim -- why didn't she stand up to him or why didn't she just leave? If the victim is male then they are even more likely to be blamed.

As far as verbal/emotional abuse goes, I think one of the most telling episodes is "Most Embarassing Moments." It starts off with Jon apologizing for a remark he made to Kate ("When are you going to take the stick out, Kate?") It then shows a slew of Kate "melt downs" including the yelling at Jon at Toys R Us. Seeing them all in a row is telling. Frankly, I think most people would look at the footage and be a bit embarrassed. Not Kate. No acknowlegement that she could be at fault. No suggestion that she might have handled things better. She wants to fight every battle again and make everything Jon's fault because he doesn't anticipate when she is getting stressed and ask what she needs. The guy just can't win.

Jon literally shuts down, and shuts up, during the episode. You can see him give up. It isn't *sulking* and shouldn't be labeled *passive-aggressive.* He looks completely defeated and ends up promising Kate that he will try to do better. She doesn't promise to try not to yell at him or concede a single point.

I'm sure many people will disagree. All of this is just my opinion.

 

[redrosesix]

Project Runway's Timm Gunn decided to weigh in on Jon Gosselin's taste in clothing, and it wasn't pretty.

If you can sum up Jon Gosselin's fashion style, it would likely be somewhere between a grown man's identity crisis and a "C-list" celebrity wannabe. Jon Gosselin continues to strut his stuff in clothing many would consider much to young for him and much too unforgiving. If Jon spent a fraction of his time working out with weights and jogging as he does working out his libido, he might be able to get away with walking around with a bare chest and beer gut.

His style certainly reflects just how far from reality he's fallen and it seems to indicate an inflated view of himself. He obviously thinks he's quite hot and that he can compete with college kids, vying for the same early-20-something booty. Unbeknown to him however, is that the real reason those girls are rubbing Jon's elbows and other body parts is the fact that he has money, and throws it around in what appears to be a bid to buy his friends and girlfriends. It sure can't be his Ed Hardy shirts, which are unflattering at best. Given Jon's taste in women and clothes, let's hope Ed Hardy has some good designers willing to veto Jon's stylistic vision.

And I'm not the only one that thinks he looks like an unkempt teenager. According to Project Runways Tim Gunn suggests to Us Weekly that Jon's look is just plain lazy:

It is what I refer to as the slobification of America. If you want to dress to feel as though you never got out of bed, then don’t get out of bed!

http://www.examiner.com/x-12100-Jon...-watch-Project-Runways-Tim-Gunn-not-impressed

This was harsh, but it was absolutely correct. IMO, if you're trying to make a living in public life then you have to try harder whenever you're in public.

Absolutely agreed with the above. Those slaps and spanks do seem on the verge of being out of control. Also, she appeared to hit that tup quite hard and in anger. Those pictures were unpleasant.

I think in the earlier episodes Jon did try to stand up for himself a bit. When she yelled at him at Toys R Us he did tell her that he was embarrassed and (paraphrase) told her he thought that it made her look bad. I thought he handled it fairly well. He also told her that he didn't like the *love tapping.* Fair enough. She promptly slapped him again -- "You mean like this?"

Jon is behaving really badly right now, and I wish he get (back?) into counseling. He needs it. I think he has lots of issues he needs to work through. In domestic violence situations many people still blame the victim -- why didn't she stand up to him or why didn't she just leave? If the victim is male then they are even more likely to be blamed.

As far as verbal/emotional abuse goes, I think one of the most telling episodes is "Most Embarassing Moments." It starts off with Jon apologizing for a remark he made to Kate ("When are you going to take the stick out, Kate?") It then shows a slew of Kate "melt downs" including the yelling at Jon at Toys R Us. Seeing them all in a row is telling. Frankly, I think most people would look at the footage and be a bit embarrassed. Not Kate. No acknowlegement that she could be at fault. No suggestion that she might have handled things better. She wants to fight every battle again and make everything Jon's fault because he doesn't anticipate when she is getting stressed and ask what she needs. The guy just can't win.

Jon literally shuts down, and shuts up, during the episode. You can see him give up. It isn't *sulking* and shouldn't be labeled *passive-aggressive.* He looks completely defeated and ends up promising Kate that he will try to do better. She doesn't promise to try not to yell at him or concede a single point.

I'm sure many people will disagree. All of this is just my opinion.

It actually really bothers me when people say that Jon is sulking when he's choosing not to fight back -- IMO, what good would that have done? He stood up to her when he wouldn't let her in the gate that day -- she called the police. Walden is sooo right -- his digs at Kate, muttered under his breath, were almost always harmless and rarely critical of her.

And I also think it's not right to compare Jon to people you know and, obviously, don't like -- how could you know he's just like your ex-BIL if you don't know him? I think there was a lot more going on when the cameras were off, but no reason to think that that was when Jon got his turn to get back at Kate. JMHO, but it's all there for people to see and it doesn't get any better than what TLC chose to air -- no reason to think they were a loving, romantic couple off-screen and that TLC only showed the bad parts of their marriage.

Having said all that, I think that watching a person acting as Kate did, even on TV, makes people uncomfortable. If you haven't experienced it first hand, it's hard to know what to think. We actually used to travel with another family for sports competitions and the mother was quite nasty when talking to her DD, so much that it bothered my DD. The last straw was when she said her DD was "so stupid" to her face because she wasn't practicing hard enough -- no, I never said anything to her about it but for 3 years I have avoided her like the plague and kept my DD out of earshot of her as much as possible.

 

[SkyGirl]

I read that Kate turned down $400,000 to pose for Playboy. I'm trying to find the link.

It's celeb gossip but interesting.

http://www.cele*****y.com/68878/kate_gosselin_turns_down_400k_offer_from_playboy/

 

[newtodis]

I read that Kate turned down $400,000 to pose for Playboy. I'm trying to find the link.

It's celeb gossip but interesting.

http://www.cele*****y.com/68878/kate_gosselin_turns_down_400k_offer_from_playboy/

I would hope she would turn that down regardless of the amount offered!

 

[DreaGirl]

I read that Kate turned down $400,000 to pose for Playboy. I'm trying to find the link.

It's celeb gossip but interesting.

http://www.cele*****y.com/68878/kate_gosselin_turns_down_400k_offer_from_playboy/

You know if she did Playboy then Jon would have to do Playgirl...

 

[redrosesix]

You know if she did Playboy then Jon would have to do Playgirl...

Don't even joke about that

But hey, they seem to airbrush him in every magazine photo already -- I'm not a fan of the "plastic Jon"

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It actually really bothers me when people say that Jon is sulking when he's choosing not to fight back -- IMO, what good would that have done? He stood up to her when he wouldn't let her in the gate that day -- she called the police. Walden is sooo right -- his digs at Kate, muttered under his breath, were almost always harmless and rarely critical of her.

I am having difficulty accepting he is a victim of abuse.

I have been a victim. I have witnessed abuse.

He had plenty of opportunity to deal with Kate.

Plus he doesn't really claim he is a victim of abuse. He doesn't like the way he was treated--but he doesn't label himself a victim.

She wasn't nice--she still isn't nice.

Throwing out a "see what happens when he stands up to Kate" when she doesn't approve of the sitter that he has isn't a valid comparison.

Noone expects him to fight--but good gosh, he could have stood up for himself. He's done it before. And the "not on tape" comment goes both ways--we do not know the extent of his "laziness" or "inattentiveness" or "lack of parenting" that exists on the cutting room floor.

His idea of standing up now is acting like a 12 year old. And it is plausible that he called the cops to piss her off.

 

[emer95]

Absolutely agreed with the above. Those slaps and spanks do seem on the verge of being out of control. Also, she appeared to hit that tup quite hard and in anger. Those pictures were unpleasant.

I think in the earlier episodes Jon did try to stand up for himself a bit. When she yelled at him at Toys R Us he did tell her that he was embarrassed and (paraphrase) told her he thought that it made her look bad. I thought he handled it fairly well. He also told her that he didn't like the *love tapping.* Fair enough. She promptly slapped him again -- "You mean like this?"

Jon is behaving really badly right now, and I wish he get (back?) into counseling. He needs it. I think he has lots of issues he needs to work through. In domestic violence situations many people still blame the victim -- why didn't she stand up to him or why didn't she just leave? If the victim is male then they are even more likely to be blamed.

As far as verbal/emotional abuse goes, I think one of the most telling episodes is "Most Embarassing Moments." It starts off with Jon apologizing for a remark he made to Kate ("When are you going to take the stick out, Kate?") It then shows a slew of Kate "melt downs" including the yelling at Jon at Toys R Us. Seeing them all in a row is telling. Frankly, I think most people would look at the footage and be a bit embarrassed. Not Kate. No acknowlegement that she could be at fault. No suggestion that she might have handled things better. She wants to fight every battle again and make everything Jon's fault because he doesn't anticipate when she is getting stressed and ask what she needs. The guy just can't win.

Jon literally shuts down, and shuts up, during the episode. You can see him give up. It isn't *sulking* and shouldn't be labeled *passive-aggressive.* He looks completely defeated and ends up promising Kate that he will try to do better. She doesn't promise to try not to yell at him or concede a single point.

I'm sure many people will disagree. All of this is just my opinion.

I totally agree! That "Most Embarrassing Moments" episode turned out to be one of their worst ones, because Kate seemed to still be furious about all of the things that were being brought up, and rather than laugh them off and admit any fault, she angrily explained why she was 100% right. Jen the producer laughed nervously and said, "I think this episode might become a new embarrassing moment" or something to that effect. It was a real eye-opener into Kate's personality, for me anyway.

And all of that is just my humble opinion too.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I am having difficulty accepting he is a victim of abuse.

I have been a victim. I have witnessed abuse.

He had plenty of opportunity to deal with Kate.

Plus he doesn't really claim he is a victim of abuse. He doesn't like the way he was treated--but he doesn't label himself a victim.

She wasn't nice--she still isn't nice.

Throwing out a "see what happens when he stands up to Kate" when she doesn't approve of the sitter that he has isn't a valid comparison.

Noone expects him to fight--but good gosh, he could have stood up for himself. He's done it before. And the "not on tape" comment goes both ways--we do not know the extent of his "laziness" or "inattentiveness" or "lack of parenting" that exists on the cutting room floor.

His idea of standing up now is acting like a 12 year old. And it is plausible that he called the cops to piss her off.

I agree with most of what you are saying. They certainly had an unhealthy relationship and often times Jon was just as out of line with his treatment towards her as she was with him. Kate is just much louder...much!
They are equally to blame in the destruction of their marriage in my opinion.

I do think he may have hired that nanny just to push Kate's buttons but if I remember right Kate was the one that called the police over the incident you are talking about.

 

[walden]

I agree with most of what you are saying. They certainly had an unhealthy relationship and often times Jon was just as out of line with his treatment towards her as she was with him. Kate is just much louder...much!
They are equally to blame in the destruction of their marriage in my opinion.

I do think he may have hired that nanny just to push Kate's buttons but if I remember right Kate was the one that called the police over the incident you are talking about.

I'm the first person to acknowledge that I have not seen every single episode. I have watched *most* of a marathon, but even people with busted ankles need to take bathroom breaks -- and on crutches that does take a while!

I have yet to see Jon behave as badly toward Kate (on the show) as she has to him.

Asking respectfully, because this was a question in one of my first posts that no one responded to, but can you please point me towards the specific episodes where Jon was out of line?

That said, I think all bets are off after January. They both seem determined to plough the other under in the New Year!

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[redrosesix]

I am having difficulty accepting he is a victim of abuse.

I have been a victim. I have witnessed abuse.

He had plenty of opportunity to deal with Kate.

Plus he doesn't really claim he is a victim of abuse. He doesn't like the way he was treated--but he doesn't label himself a victim.

She wasn't nice--she still isn't nice.

Throwing out a "see what happens when he stands up to Kate" when she doesn't approve of the sitter that he has isn't a valid comparison.

Noone expects him to fight--but good gosh, he could have stood up for himself. He's done it before. And the "not on tape" comment goes both ways--we do not know the extent of his "laziness" or "inattentiveness" or "lack of parenting" that exists on the cutting room floor.

His idea of standing up now is acting like a 12 year old. And it is plausible that he called the cops to piss her off.

I'm not sure why you quoted me -- I wasn't the one who contended that Jon had been abused, I said I was undecided. You obviously didn't get the point I was making in my post at all.

And Kate admitted that she was the one who called the police.

 

[DVCisME]

Here is Kathy Griffin doing Kate
http://www.comcast.net/video/kathy-griffin-does-kate-gosselin/1243001468/Comcast/1242561011/

 

[redrosesix]

Here is Kathy Griffin doing Kate
http://www.comcast.net/video/kathy-griffin-does-kate-gosselin/1243001468/Comcast/1242561011/

Dang -- it told me the link was no longer available

 

[dispor]

Dang -- it told me the link was no longer available

It still works for me. It is just a promo - the whole thing will be on Jimmy Kimmel live on Tuesday according to the promo.