Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[DMRick]

He just doesn't make any sense....car shopping and drinking with teenagers...brilliant! He must be doing this to get out of a contract.....this is a total 180 from how he previously behaved. .

In my opinion, I'd rephrase that to say, this is a 180 from what we have been allowed to see previously. We have no idea how either he or Kate 'really' were.

 

[Mom2Nick]

In my opinion, I'd rephrase that to say, this is a 180 from what we have been allowed to see previously. We have no idea how either he or Kate 'really' were.

Considering he couldn't even buy a shower head without Kate ripping him a new one it's safe to say he is enjoying being able to spend money without fear of him being reprimanded like a child.

 

[DMRick]

[/B] This was their CHOICE, I think they were aware of Jon's job status and size of the house. I can't feel sorry for that.

Really? No price is too high for you to sell your family and kids for money? That's certainly your right, but my mind can't even pretend to understand. I'd rather be poor actually.

Where did the poster say no price is too high?

 

[MAKmom]

being on TV isn't a choice I'd make for my family, but it's obviously ok with you. that's what this thread is all about

and all that is easy to say, considering your life family's life isn't led in front of millions of people every day. no one on this thread has any idea what that life must be like for the Gosselin family. (I don't think they do ... LOL) I cannot imagine not having the freedom of hopping in the van and meeting friends at Panera without worrying about whether or not it will be in the National Enquirer next week. And it isn't just their own lives they've forsaken, it's their family and friends as well. money doesn't always buy happiness.

and I have all the things you've listed, my husband & I have worked hard to make those things possible for our family .. without a TV show.





Jon's work ethic is questionable, at best.

All celebrities are giving up their privacy & for the exchange of fame & fortune. Brad Pits kids have the same thing going on.

I do think the children have received a lot of positive attention & opportunities from the show. I wonder how much attention they would have had with just 2 unhappy, exhausted parents.

The paparazzi are another now & I think it is awful but if Jon would stop beong a fool they would stop being interested.

I can understand how so many people feel it is awful they are on TV. I just do not.

 

[DMRick]

I really wasn't trying to be snarky, but IS any price too high to sell the kids for? For me, I would have socked everything away and got the kids off tv asap.

It's easy for all of us to say that now..but we really and truly don't know where we would be at this time, if we were offered more money, and we truly did not believe it was harming our children, and we thought this was helping our children have more benefits during their lives.

This is also just my opinion, but I expect these kids to turn out to have the same attitude of entitlement and self-importance as their parents. I don't hear of a lot of giving back and graciousness. I hope I'm wrong.

Again, we only see them for a short period of time. How would we know if they are giving, if it be through church, school, or to their friends (of which have been mentioned, but not taped). With what little we see, how can you even think that about these kids? They are just kids, after all. I'm sure a lot of people on this thread have very giving, kind kids, that give to the poor, but we don't know that anymore than we know if these kids do. I've seen the kids throw their arms aroung Kate and say Thank you, mommy. Maybe they are also saying thank you to others, just not on camera, since they aren't on all the time, 24/7.

If Mady wrote a book, wouldn't it just be said she wanted 15 more minutes of fame and to make more money? Why would that be considered truth?

I would consider it something that would make me see that this was not good for the kids, if Mady wrote a book. Not one person here, myself included has ever said that every person just wants their 15 minutes of fame. However, I will go out on a limb and say that many people, IMO, have talked to the pap for their 15 minutes, just like they do about Brit, Michael, and many other celebs. If I see that they have something to gain (financially), it makes me wonder why they picked this time to 'share' their info.

 

[Mom2Nick]

All celebrities are giving up their privacy & for the exchange of fame & fortune. Brad Pits kids have the same thing going on.

I do think the children have received a lot of positive attention & opportunities from the show. I wonder how much attention they would have had with just 2 unhappy, exhausted parents.

The paparazzi are another now & I think it is awful but if Jon would stop beong a fool they would stop being interested.

I can understand how so many people feel it is awful they are on TV. I just do not.

Brad Pitts kids do not have the same thing going on. They are photographed when they are out in public. Nobody is in their house day after day with a camera in their face filming their private family life. Most celebrities fight hard to shield their children from public life as much as possible.

Those children will not be able to escape any of this until their parents decide it's time for them to have some privacy and live lifes like normal kids.

 

[DMRick]

Considering he couldn't even buy a shower head without Kate ripping him a new one it's safe to say he is enjoying being able to spend money without fear of him being reprimanded like a child.

You mean Jon, who IMO, acts like a child LOL

 

[Nancy]

I agree that it probably was too attractive an offer to pass up (doing the show) in the beginning because of the financial security it would bring. I don't even want to attempt to do the math that 6 babies in diapers would cost! Mine went through 7-8 diapers a day as newborns! I wonder if now that they're more financially stable, Kate is still aware of the fact that this could all end soon and of course that would mean no more big bucks.

Kate does seem defensive about how cared for the kids are. My take on that is simply that people are very critical of her so she needs to reiterate it. Perhaps she's made her pat answer robotically so many times that she can't stop now! I just can't imagine dealing with all the criticism she does. Don't get me wrong, Kate's no angel but still, the acccusations are rampant. I do agree though that I wouldn't be eager to share my child's reaction to my divorce on TV but maybe Kate is thinking she needs to reassure people that the kids really are ok. I don't know. I just would love to spend 1 day with her and pick her brain! Kate are reading this? Call me so we can chat!

I agree with this. First we can all say "I would never" in regards to anything to do with something like this show or even being a parent, but I always say never say never. If I had 6 kids would I be trying to do whatever I could to support them, and if it meant putting them on TV I might just go for it...probably. I would sure hate it if people kept telling me I was ruining my kids life. Parents do what they do because they love their kids and want what is best for them...according to them, not according to what others think is right. No one should have to repeatedly defend their choices to anyone.

I like watching the show, I like Kate, I liked Jon and Kate together even when they did their bickering...like she says in the opening "...but it's our life"

I agree totally Kidshop! They weren't financially stable after having the twins and they chose to have more kids. Nobody forced them. As soon as they found out their were multiples, they started their fishing trip to see what freebies they could get. It started with the other home being totally remodeled and look where it went from there.

People complain about the octomom, but Jon & Kate are no different!!!

Sure they are, I never heard either of them say that they made a mistake and can't handle all the kids (even with help) like Octomom did...she is having regrets now..never heard J or K say anything like that.

And if most people waited until they were financially stable and could "afford" kids there would be almost no kids born ever. My DH and I sure were not financially stable but we wanted a family so we had kids. Heck, my kids are 16, 19 and 21 and we're still not financially stable.

In my opinion, I'd rephrase that to say, this is a 180 from what we have been allowed to see previously. We have no idea how either he or Kate 'really' were.

Right, we see a heavily edited TV show...TLC decides what we see and what we don't. I don't think we were ever allowed to see the real Jon or the real Kate..we saw Kate keeping Jon on a tight leash, but based on how he is acting now it looks like it was needed. I have a feeling we'll be seeing more of the real Kate now that there is no need for her to babysit her husband.

All celebrities are giving up their privacy & for the exchange of fame & fortune. Brad Pits kids have the same thing going on.

I do think the children have received a lot of positive attention & opportunities from the show. I wonder how much attention they would have had with just 2 unhappy, exhausted parents.

The paparazzi are another now & I think it is awful but if Jon would stop beong a fool they would stop being interested.

I can understand how so many people feel it is awful they are on TV. I just do not.

Me either, I actually think that if the show stopped now it would do more harm than good for them. For the kids this is their normal, people think that Dad leaving and then taking away their normal routine would be good? I don't see it. To me it would be the same as if they got divorced and Kate packed up and moved them clear across the country. Total disruption of all they know...that would not be good.

 

[madge]

All celebrities are giving up their privacy & for the exchange of fame & fortune. Brad Pits kids have the same thing going on.

Brad Pitt's children are not on a television show. I don't think they were shown with impacted bowels or sick on the laundry room floor to millions of people. his children are photographed/filmed by the paps when they are with their famous parents .. they don't have a camera crew documenting their life.

I do think the children have received a lot of positive attention & opportunities from the show. I wonder how much attention they would have had with just 2 unhappy, exhausted parents.

my guess is the same as they would with 2 unhappy, tabloid celebrity parents.

The paparazzi are another now & I think it is awful but if Jon would stop beong a fool they would stop being interested.

Jon isn't helping, but I think the paps are interested in both parents, now. there might have been a time where that wasn't the case and at that point the paps might have moved on, but we'll never know.

I can understand how so many people feel it is awful they are on TV. I just do not.

and that's why I love this thread!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I agree with this. First we can all say "I would never" in regards to anything to do with something like this show or even being a parent, but I always say never say never. If I had 6 kids would I be trying to do whatever I could to support them, and if it meant putting them on TV I might just go for it...probably. I would sure hate it if people kept telling me I was ruining my kids life. Parents do what they do because they love their kids and want what is best for them...according to them, not according to what others think is right. No one should have to repeatedly defend their choices to anyone.

Sure they are, I never heard either of them say that they made a mistake and can't handle all the kids (even with help) like Octomom did...she is having regrets now..never heard J or K say anything like that.

And if most people waited until they were financially stable and could "afford" kids there would be almost no kids born ever.

Right, we see a heavily edited TV show...TLC decides what we see and what we don't. I don't think we were ever allowed to see the real Jon or the real Kate..we saw Kate keeping Jon on a tight leash, but based on how he is acting now it looks like it was needed. I have a feeling we'll be seeing more of the real Kate now that there is no need for her to babysit her husband.

I agree with your post. It is VERY easy to say that we'd never do the same but J&K were under an enormous amount of stress with all the babies/twins. I really think it was too good for them to pass up when it could mean income and college educations. Although it must be very difficult to hear every Tom, Dick and Harry criticize how you're raising your kids. Not to mention having your brother and sister-in-law go on TV to berate you as well.

Kate has said many times that she wants all of her kids to know that they were loved and wanted. Can you imagine what it must have been like to carry 6 little lives inside you, hoping to get to 30 weeks, hoping that each and every one of them would be healthy and not jeopardize your own health in the process? That is amazing to me and I give Kate full credit for that.

You're right about the financially stable argument too...I have heard from soooo many friends that they wanted to wait till they were more financially secure.

I completely agree with your statement about the way TLC portrayed J&K. Kate over-reacted many a time, how do we know that something else didn't happen right before that to make her freak? I've seen the softer side of Kate on the show (even old episodes) but of course, that doesn't sell as well as OCD Kate! Jon probably has always been the way he is acting now but we weren't shown that. That wouldn't be a great 'Dad' image now would it? So I think your observation is very interesting...maybe we are now seeing the real Jon and the real Kate.

 

[madge]

I agree with this. First we can all say "I would never" in regards to anything to do with something like this show or even being a parent, but I always say never say never.

I went back and double checked what I wrote before I started to answer this .. just to make sure I didn't say "I would never". I didn't. whew.

There are few things in life I'd ever say I'd never do. I'm sure that I say "I would never" a lot 20 years ago, when I was about to give birth to my first son .. but there's no way I'd say it now.

If I had 6 kids would I be trying to do whatever I could to support them, and if it meant putting them on TV I might just go for it...probably. I would sure hate it if people kept telling me I was ruining my kids life. Parents do what they do because they love their kids and want what is best for them...according to them, not according to what others think is right. No one should have to repeatedly defend their choices to anyone.

you're right. no one should have to repeatedly defend their choices. I aboslutely agree. And this is one of the things I have trouble with in my understanding of all things Gosselin. Why did TLC book this mini-media tour? (I think I read they pursued the booking, if they didn't, apologies for my misunderstanding .. ) If there's an image/perspective TLC wants to put out there, why put her on The Today Show or Regis & Kelly, especially when there the questions are limited to what TLC says is ok? Why don't they use Jon & Kate Plus 8 as the way to get the information out there? It would be much more controlled than Regis, LOL.

 

[Nicolepa]

Without seeing the interview, it sounds like Regis wasn't prepped on the Gosselins situation at all. It's been reported that there is a list of "approved" questions when interviewing Kate, and it sounds like Regis either missed the memo or ignored it altogether. Even if he wasn't prepped, I can't understand why on earth you'd say to anyone getting a divorce that you might get back together. That's inappropriate and rude.


and to answer your question. I have no idea. I think The Today Show is the only one she does live. Everything else has been taped, but that could be a complete coincidence.

Regis is a male chauvinist pig. I stopped watching the show a few years ago after he was totally rude to a SAHM on Millionare. After that show I started paying better attention and if a woman was on one of his shows (Regis or Millionare) and she was "just a mom" or he didn't deem her worthy he was totally rude to them. My guess is he thinks of her as "just a mom" and doesn't know anything else about her.

Frankly I'm not surprised by his behavior one bit.

 

[Buckalew11]

LOL
All I can think of when I'm thinking of Regis saying this to kate is about that thread topic here on the DIS about "old people losing their filters".

I think Regis lost his filter.

Honestly, his comment made him seem like a very old geezer. JMHO

 

[Nancy]

I went back and double checked what I wrote before I started to answer this .. just to make sure I didn't say "I would never". I didn't. whew.

There are few things in life I'd ever say I'd never do. I'm sure that I say "I would never" a lot 20 years ago, when I was about to give birth to my first son .. but there's no way I'd say it now.



you're right. no one should have to repeatedly defend their choices. I aboslutely agree. And this is one of the things I have trouble with in my understanding of all things Gosselin. Why did TLC book this mini-media tour? (I think I read they pursued the booking, if they didn't, apologies for my misunderstanding .. ) If there's an image/perspective TLC wants to put out there, why put her on The Today Show or Regis & Kelly, especially when there the questions are limited to what TLC says is ok? Why don't they use Jon & Kate Plus 8 as the way to get the information out there? It would be much more controlled than Regis, LOL.

No, you did not say that...but there are so many people (not just on the Dis) that always says that... it always makes me laugh. I remember thinking all that "when I have kids_________________(fill in the blank)" and I can bet 3/4 of that never happened!

I don't get the whole media blitz either...does TLC really think this is a smart move? Maybe TLC's thinking is they need even more publicity

 

[connorsgram]

I've quit watching Regis too. He never seemed prepared and didn't care. Too much of a "diva" for me.

 

[Sandy321]

Actually I think Regis and most of "Hollywood" dont give a hoot about Reality Shows in general!

Have you watched TMZ? Havey Levin I think adequately displays the feeling of most of Hollywood when it comes to J&K - - its us "fans" that hang on every tidbit -

its a reality show and if you put in perspective - Regis said and did was all about nothing! He respects those that earned RESPECT - and J&K arent there - like it or not - Think Don Rickles and the old timers.... even some of young Hollywood Ann Hathaway, the Jonas Brothers - they have earned his respect - Kate Gosselin - not so much... I'm thinking he has her up there with ole Octomom!!

 

[redrosesix]

Harm: IMO....lack of privacy with no consent, the house is the tv set, their parents have cut family and friends out of their lives, they earn money for their parents (who have no other job), their parents are on the cover of tabloids (most of those articles they gave themselves), their parents divorce and dirty laundry is aired on TV (again by the parents themselves), every event and outing they participate in, so it would seem; is orchestrated for a tv show. Someone pointed out they are still riding bikes for 2 year olds (helmetless) and I have to assume it is b/c no one has given them new free ones. Their childhood and actions of their parents are preserved forever on dvd, even if edited this not a good thing. Strangers know their every move and have labeled them accordingly. Can they even play sports or take dance classes without it being filmed at this point?

Can you think of many child actors/performers who turned out great with no issues?

ITA!

They have grown accustom to a certain lifestyle now that they didn't have pre-show. They now have a mansion, really nice cars, nice clothes, and can go on a 2 week trip at the drop of a hat, for free. If they stop the show all that stops. They will have to pay for things again and they will also have to learn to live outside of the spotlight (something I think J&K both seek).

What I find sad is that both J&K get a break from filming the show. The kids never get a break. They are filming episodes with Mommy, Mommy leaves and they film episodes with Daddy. J & K both get to leave the "set" and live in a private home with no cameras. The kids only have one home, the set. From what I read they couldn't even camp without a camera in the tent!

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on the entourage. I consider the producers on the show Kate's bosses, not co-workers. If I had a bodyguard I would want him to know that I was his boss, not his co-worker, sorry. And if I'm paying PR people and publicists and assistants they better know I'm their boss.

ITA! And it was an entourage. Kate is the star of the show, not an employee of the show. So that means she is the boss.

In my opinion, I'd rephrase that to say, this is a 180 from what we have been allowed to see previously. We have no idea how either he or Kate 'really' were.

Exactly! I think that is what all of this "just Jon" has been about. I think he's been hiding his tattoos, his piercings, etc for the sake of the show -- he dressed completely differently and gave up the sports he enjoyed, because they didn't fit in with the image TLC wanted to portray.

Some people may not like him the way he is now, but if that is who he really is, so be it. I'm pretty sure that I couldn't pretend I was something that I wasn't for 10 years.

Considering he couldn't even buy a shower head without Kate ripping him a new one it's safe to say he is enjoying being able to spend money without fear of him being reprimanded like a child.

I'm thinking she also decided what clothes he was allowed to wear and how he had his hair cut (oh yeah, she decided he had to have hair plugs)

Brad Pitts kids do not have the same thing going on. They are photographed when they are out in public. Nobody is in their house day after day with a camera in their face filming their private family life. Most celebrities fight hard to shield their children from public life as much as possible.

Those children will not be able to escape any of this until their parents decide it's time for them to have some privacy and live lifes like normal kids.

Absolutely true! There's a huge difference between your kids being photographed when they're out with you at events, and coordinating every birthday party and family event to fit the script of a TV show. We don't know where Brad Pitt's kids go to school, or anything else about them.

 

[mousey]

All celebrities are giving up their privacy & for the exchange of fame & fortune. Brad Pits kids have the same thing going on.

I do think the children have received a lot of positive attention & opportunities from the show. I wonder how much attention they would have had with just 2 unhappy, exhausted parents.

The paparazzi are another now & I think it is awful but if Jon would stop beong a fool they would stop being interested.

I can understand how so many people feel it is awful they are on TV. I just do not.

Sorry, I don't consider Jon & Kate in the same category as Brad Pitt. Brad has talent and that is something Jon & Kate never had. They are a "reality show". They have no formal training at acting (and it shows--um!!!). The real celebrities don't put their kids out their for the paparazzi. That's the mystery behind them. The Gosselin's on the other hand chose to air their whole life story, divorce in the public eye all for the almighty buck.

Do you think a company is going to pay to redo Brad's kitchen?? If they do, it won't be public information! If Brad takes his kids on vacation, the whole world won't be watching. It was said Jon & Kate get $75,000 an episode, when Brad does a movie he probably gets $20 million for that one movie. No comparison!!!

 

[Mom2Nick]

Regis is a male chauvinist pig. I stopped watching the show a few years ago after he was totally rude to a SAHM on Millionare. After that show I started paying better attention and if a woman was on one of his shows (Regis or Millionare) and she was "just a mom" or he didn't deem her worthy he was totally rude to them. My guess is he thinks of her as "just a mom" and doesn't know anything else about her.

Frankly I'm not surprised by his behavior one bit.

Regis Philbin is a moron. I cannot stand him at all.

 

[newtodis]

I cannot imagine not having the freedom of hopping in the van and meeting friends at Panera without worrying about whether or not it will be in the National Enquirer next week. And it isn't just their own lives they've forsaken, it's their family and friends as well. money doesn't always buy happiness.

See I guess I would take the opposite approach (at least I think I would!). Instead of sneaking out of your house in the middle of the night, give them your schedule. They're not "stalking" you and if you're not doing anything the world shouldn't know about, it's ok IMHO. Don't get me wrong I'd probably get sick of it pretty quickly but I also think I'd have my "fun" with the pictures/paps too - treat them to lunch, constantly go out all over town (tire them out!), smile, pick my nose, whatever just to mess with them! I'm not saying I'd go out and act like Jon (because I don't do that in my "real" life and don't see myself acting like that in general) so I guess I wouldn't have too much to worry about there.....

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on the entourage. I consider the producers on the show Kate's bosses, not co-workers. If I had a bodyguard I would want him to know that I was his boss, not his co-worker, sorry. And if I'm paying PR people and publicists and assistants they better know I'm their boss.

I think you're right - agree to disagree

To me, the producers work for TLC - unless Kate's hired her own. The same for the bodyguard - if TLC is paying him, that's his boss. If Kate's paying him, than she's his boss (but I still consider my boss my co-worker because we work together). Same for the PR people - IMHO whoever paying them is their boss. And I do agree that if I was paying them - they better know I was the boss! I'm sure that was covered on day 1.

ITA! And it was an entourage. Kate is the star of the show, not an employee of the show. So that means she is the boss.

I'm sorry - we'll have to agree to disagree too

I don't see Kate as the star of the show - I watch for the kids so to me, I'd much rather see them than either J or K (don't get me wrong, the drama is interesting to read about off-screen). I'm guessing Kate's paid by TLC which means she's an employee of TLC. They may give her some staff that work for her but that would be an agreement that TLC is paying for Kate's staff and they report to her - I have no clue if that's the case or who's paying for all of this staff.